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Tuesday, December 05, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-5-2017

New York Sun, December 5, 1917:

John K. Tener, president of the National League, yesterday announced his opposition to an eighteen player limit for the duration of the war, as suggested by August Herrmann, chairman of the National Commission.
According to Chicago advices, President Johnson of the American League also is in favor of an eighteen player limit, and intends to recommend such a limit to his club owners next week.
“I am against any reduction to eighteen players,” said [Tener] last night, “because I do not see any need for it. If individual clubs care to go through the season that is their privilege, but I am opposed to forcing such a stringent limit on clubs which to not desire it.
[Tener] believes in taking war losses—whether players or money—as they come, furnish the best baseball possible, stop calamity howling and refrain from continually painting the black side of the picture.

I have no idea how Tener was as a league president, but I know he’s made his rival Ban Johnson look like a chump several times in this offseason.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 05, 2017 at 09:48 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 05, 2017 at 09:50 AM (#5586249)
No huge stars on today's Birthday Team unless you count Pink Floyd.

C: Gus Mancuso (11.55 WAR)
1B: Cliff Floyd (25.88 WAR)
2B: Joe Gedeon (1.33 WAR)
3B/Manager: Patsy Tebeau (10.05 WAR)
SS: Billy Shindle (17.08 WAR)
LF: Christian Yelich (17.71 WAR)
CF: A.J. Pollock (18.21 WAR)
RF: Gary Roenicke (15.48 WAR)

SP: Pink Hawley (39.94 WAR)
SP: Dave Ferriss (11.66 WAR)
SP: Ed Summers (10.23 WAR)
SP: Snake Wiltse (2.87 WAR)
SP: Raleigh Aitchison (1.15 WAR)
RP: Scott Lewis (0.95 WAR)

Born on the Atlantic Ocean: Ed Porray
Convicted violent felon: Josh Lueke
No relation to Baby Ortiz: John Papa
No relation to John Papa: Baby Ortiz
Sounds painful: Dick Stone
Owner/ambassador: Jamie McCourt
Announcer: Helen Dettweiler
Japanese Baseball Hall of Famer: Kihachi Enomoto
   2. Batman Posted: December 05, 2017 at 10:28 AM (#5586288)
I'd pick this guy as owner over Jamie McCourt. I'd pick most things over Jamie McCourt for almost anything.
   3. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: December 05, 2017 at 11:58 AM (#5586416)
Miles Mikolas to STL for 2/15.5m guaranteed
Average velocity, not a swing and miss guy, but solid command and good secondary stuff; nice signing.
   4. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: December 05, 2017 at 12:48 PM (#5586466)
Top 2 pitchers: Pink & Boo

I see you...
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 05, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5586472)
Miles Mikolas to STL for 2/15.5m guaranteed

One of these days, if I ever get really bored, I'm going to do a survey of major league bullpens to see what percentage of guys I've ever remotely heard of.
   6. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: December 05, 2017 at 01:09 PM (#5586481)
One of these days, if I ever get really bored, I'm going to do a survey of major league bullpens to see what percentage of guys I've ever remotely heard of.

Mikolas has spent the last few years in Japan. Not sure if he was targeting only small-market teams.
   7. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: December 05, 2017 at 01:21 PM (#5586487)
ex-braves prospect signings:
maitan to LAA for 2.2m, del rosario to KCR for 0.65m

TEX signs mike minor - maybe to start? also re-inked tony barnette (a recent npb guy himself who became an obscure big league reliever)
   8. shoewizard Posted: December 05, 2017 at 03:13 PM (#5586635)
I just discovered something interesting, and sent the following to Fangraphs. If anyone here has any insight to this, please let me know

I was comparing high leverage numbers for a couple of players today between FG and Baseball Reference, and I noticed that there are always a lot more High Leverage PA total at BR compared to FG. So I went to the league splits and found the following

site High  Med     Low unknown ttl lvgPA ttl PA
:: 33780 68813  82478 224     185295    185295
:: 16802 66771  93501   0     177074    185295 

Not sure how that will format, but the gist is this:

The total PA in all of MLB last year was 185295, which both sites agree on. BR accounts for all 185295 in their leverage PA totals, (putting 224 into unknown, which balances the books)

However FG is missing 8221 PA in total in their league leverage splits, and clearly there is a pretty big difference in the way High/low Leverage is defined and why there is such a large discrepancy between the two sites on this.
   9. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: December 05, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5586657)
I'm not as good at FG as I am at BBRef, so I'm not sure how you got your info.

The way I got the info (Splits Leaderboard, filter by Leverage, ran each situation separately because when you try to do more than one it adds them together) I got:

High: 16802
Medium: 74992
Low: 93501
   10. shoewizard Posted: December 05, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5586680)
TDF, I got it Here

The mistake I made was I mis read AB & PA columns. So there are not 8221 missing PA.

However the core question of the major difference in defining what is high leverage and they BR has 2 x as many "high levg" pa and a lot fewer Med and Low is an important question, I think. Wouldn't that impact their WPA stats in a big way ?


Ok, got feedback from FG

We define high leverage as any play with a LI greater or equal to 2.0, low leverage is less than or equal to 0.8. I think baseball-reference has something slightly different. The idea is to keep high leverage plays around 10% of total plays. I guess we're at more around 9% this year.
   11. Tony S Posted: December 05, 2017 at 04:34 PM (#5586739)

So this year, Jose Altuve got a World Series championship, an MVP award, and now he's SI's Sportsperson of the Year (along with JJ Watt).

Has any other athlete pulled off a trifecta like that? Lebron James?
   12. Ken Griffey Junior Bacon Cheeseburger Posted: December 05, 2017 at 05:30 PM (#5586806)
Has any other athlete pulled off a trifecta like that? Lebron James?

Michael Jordan did it once in 1991.

Edit: As did LeBron in 2012.

Edit 2: Bobby Orr in 1970
   13. Tony S Posted: December 05, 2017 at 05:42 PM (#5586811)

Found another, sort of: Orel Hershiser in 1988. He won the Cy Young, not the MVP.
   14. Batman Posted: December 05, 2017 at 06:14 PM (#5586844)
Willie Stargell did it in 1979, and he was also MVP of both rounds of the postseason.

Sandy Koufax and Randy Johnson did the world champion/SI/Cy Young version too.

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