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Thursday, December 07, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-7-2017

New York Tribune, December 7, 1917:

Jack Dunn, president of the Baltimore International League club, is the first victim of a new baseball law which withholds the payment for minor league players till the time such actually report to major league purchasers.

Last fall the Red Sox purchased Bentley for a big price…Bentley has been caught in Uncle Sam’s draft, so that Dunn will lose both player and payment.

Aw, man, that sucks.

Anyway, Jack Bentley had a weird career. He came up as an 18-year-old pitcher and put up a 2.05 ERA (140 ERA+) from 1913-1916 before suffering an arm injury. Having seen Bentley hit, Dunn took a flier on him as a first baseman and it paid off. The guy who had once been one of the best young pitchers in baseball absolutely crushed the ball in five seasons as the Orioles’ first baseman, including a .412 batting average and 87 extra base hits in 1921.

As you’d expect, Bentley was back in the big leagues in 1923. What you probably wouldn’t expect was that the Giants brought him in as a pitcher. After three mediocre seasons, he moved back to first base for the 1926 Phillies and couldn’t get his batting mojo back. Jack Bentley’s big league career was over by May 1927.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 07, 2017 at 10:25 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 07, 2017 at 10:28 AM (#5587894)
A bunch of good hitters and a solid pitching staff on today's Birthday Team.

C: Johnny Bench (74.99 WAR)
1B: Tino Martinez (28.83 WAR)
2B: Hobe Ferris (16.42 WAR)
3B: Eric Chavez (37.44 WAR)
SS: Ryan Theriot (6.4 WAR)
LF: Alex Johnson (9.88 WAR)
CF: Shane Mack (21.69 WAR)
RF: Yasiel Puig (16.45 WAR)

SP: Dick Donovan (23.4 WAR)
SP: Denny Galehouse (22.05 WAR)
SP: Don Cardwell (16.82 WAR)
SP: Kyle Hendricks (12.48 WAR)
SP: Tom Lovett (7.9 WAR)
RP: Ed Morris (7.38 WAR)

Owner: Comer Cottrell
-5.51 career WAR: Scot Thompson (-5.51 WAR)
Fun names: Brian Schmack, Ducky Yount
Fun player: Bo Belinsky
Not that one: Don Johnson
   2. crict Posted: December 07, 2017 at 11:01 AM (#5587917)
Not sure about fun: Belinsky was accused (posthumously) of the rape of a young singer. That was in a book in French from a singer from Quebec, so the only English link I have is this one. Better link in French
   3. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: December 07, 2017 at 11:42 AM (#5587945)
I never would have guessed that Shane Mack had a higher WAR than Alex Johnson...
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 07, 2017 at 11:47 AM (#5587951)
Yikes, I had no idea about that Belinsky story. That's pretty much the exact opposite of fun.
   5. Man o' Schwar Posted: December 07, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5588009)
Ah Scot Thompson, the epitome of Cub futility in the late 1970s/early 1980s. Those were some lean years.

-2.3 WAR in only 51 games in 1981. He slashed .165/.208/.209 as an outfielder with below average range and no speed or power.

It still boggles the mind that someone voted for him as rookie of the year in 1979. .289/.322/.373 with 2 HRs and 4 steals, while Sutcliffe won 17 games with the Dodgers. Sutcliffe drove in almost as many runs as a batter as Thompson did (17 RBIs for Sutcliffe, vs. 29 for Thompson).
   6. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: December 07, 2017 at 02:30 PM (#5588137)
Cubs land Tyler Chatwood for 3/38.
   7. Man o' Schwar Posted: December 07, 2017 at 02:56 PM (#5588160)
$13M/year seems like a lot. He led the league in losses last year, was 3rd in walks and 5th in wild pitches.

I don't like those walk numbers (4.0 and 4.7 BB/9 the last 2 years) combined with low strikeout rates (6.7 and 7.3).

I guess he's only 28, and maybe leaving Coors will help him out. Apparently he's pitched much better on the road (3.31 career road ERA, with 1.335 WHIP vs. 1.628 at home).
   8. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: December 07, 2017 at 03:00 PM (#5588168)
More posts on the Chatwood signing in this thread
   9. Batman Posted: December 07, 2017 at 03:01 PM (#5588172)
I started paying attention to baseball in 1983, and Scot Thompson was one of the seemingly dozens of Cubs who seemed to be hitting around .190 when the Sun Times showed the team's batting stats each Sunday. I remember him, Jerry Morales, Tom Veryzer, Wayne Nordhagen, Junior Kennedy, and Fritzie Connally. Joe Carter hit .176 that year too, but that's not what I remember him for.
   10. stanmvp48 Posted: December 07, 2017 at 04:00 PM (#5588257)
Two Tommy John's for Chatwood if I am not mistaken. Not a big durable looking guy either.
   11. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: December 07, 2017 at 04:56 PM (#5588309)
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 49s50 seconds ago

Source: #Mariners acquire Dee Gordon from #Marlins.


To play CF.
   12. EddieA Posted: December 07, 2017 at 07:19 PM (#5588382)
Cardwell is the one I forget when asked to name the 1969 Mets starting pitchers. Now that's less likely.
   13. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 07, 2017 at 07:32 PM (#5588386)
Cardwell is the one I forget when asked to name the 1969 Mets starting pitchers. Now that's less likely.

that got me going back to Bref to check the Mets starters in 69--the most interesting thing I found is that Tug McGraw had 4 starts in 69 and 2 in '73. I was living in NYC during those years and I have absolutely no memory of that
   14. Rennie's Tenet Posted: December 07, 2017 at 08:58 PM (#5588442)
Were the 1973 starts intended to get McGraw on track after being ineffective in the bullpen? Danny Murtaugh did that with Dave Giusti a couple of times. In the era when relievers worked out of jams, Murtaugh wanted to give Giusti half a dozen repetitions where he started an inning with a clean slate and could afford a mistake.
   15. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: December 08, 2017 at 09:26 AM (#5588628)
BA has its annual Rule 5 preview (version 1.0) up (top 5 are free, rest are for subscribers). Betting that a given player will be selected is often a fools errand and a sign that someone knows less about this draft than they think that they do but ... I can't imagine someone not taking Nick Burdi.
More generally, I think it's a weak class.

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