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Tuesday, January 10, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-10-2017

Topeka State Journal, January 10, 1917:

Joe Wood’s claim that he is a free agent, under the operation of the reserve clause in his contract, since he signed no contract last year, may furnish an interesting test of the theory advanced by the lawyers of organized ball in the famous suit before Judge Landis. The Boston club claims Wood under reserve and says he will be sent a contract, whereupon Wood, if reports are correct, will repudiate it and demand his unconditional release.

The Sox sold Smoky Joe to Cleveland a few weeks later for $15,000. My suspicion is that the reserve clause dispute had something to do with Boston making that trade, but I don’t know for sure. It could just be that someone was offering them $15,000 for a broken pitcher.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 10, 2017 at 10:15 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 10, 2017 at 10:18 AM (#5380899)
Not a great Birthday Team today, but a decent one. A very good infield.

C: Johnny Peacock (3.01 WAR)
1B: Willie McCovey (64.43 WAR)
2B: Del Pratt (45.61 WAR)
3B: Adam Kennedy (20.99 WAR)
SS: George Strickland (6.56 WAR)
LF: Bob Brower (2.49 WAR)
CF/Manager: Harry Wright (1.21 WAR)
RF: Chick Stahl (31.65 WAR)

SP: Jim O'Toole (19.15 WAR)
SP: Richard Dotson (16.31 WAR)
SP: Cliff Chambers (8.4 WAR)
SP: Chuck Dobson (3.96 WAR)
SP: Ted Bowsfield (2.46 WAR)
RP: Rick Bauer (1.48 WAR)

Not that one: John Houseman
   2. mathesond Posted: January 10, 2017 at 10:24 AM (#5380904)
Huh. I just expected Harry Wright would have more WAR, but my knowledge of him comes almost exclusively from Darryl Brock's "If I Never Get Back", which I haven't read in over 20 years. I do remember that, in the novel at least (and I suspect in real life), brother George was the more talented player.
   3. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 10, 2017 at 10:30 AM (#5380909)
Also, it didn't really help Harry's WAR total that he was 36 years old when the stats archives begin in 1871. Had he been born 15 years later, he may well have had a star-quality career as a player.
   4. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 10, 2017 at 10:35 AM (#5380917)
I kind of love Chuck Dobson's first 5 full seasons: 1100 innings of 3.62 ERA pitching.....good for 4.5 bWAR, since that 3.62 ERA was just a 90 ERA+ back then (1967-1971). So he goes from looking like peak CC Sabathia to, like, Blue Jay RA Dickey once you apply the right context.
   5. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: January 10, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5380954)
Baseball star Derek Jeter is exactly as old as Robert Kennedy was the day he died (which technically was the day after he got shot): (15,539 days).

Personally, I'm That's exactly as old as Sparky Anderson was the day his Reds lost Game Six of 1975 World Series, one of the greatest games ever played: 15,217 days.

Anyone who wants to can look up these as-old-as items for their own life here.
   6. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 10, 2017 at 11:35 AM (#5380961)
Personally, I'm That's exactly as old as Sparky Anderson was the day his Reds lost Game Six of 1975 World Series, one of the greatest games ever played: 15,217 days.


I hope you don't LOOK as old as Sparky did on day 15,217.
   7. catomi01 Posted: January 10, 2017 at 12:14 PM (#5380998)
3B: Adam Kennedy (20.99 WAR)


That's a lot more WAR than I would have expected...he had a longer career than I remember and a pretty solid peak with the Angels. He and Eckstein were both pretty good there for a few seasons.
   8. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 10, 2017 at 12:26 PM (#5381005)
As you may have seen in recent dugouts, I've been taking game logs from past seasons and using WPA and LI to determine the most and least exciting games each year. Today I finished 1976.

The most exciting game of 1976, according to my system, was the Phillies-Reds game on August 29. The teams went back and forth scoring runs in innings 4-6. Philadelphia led 4-3 with two outs in the bottom of the ninth, and men on first and second. Ron Reed struck out George Foster, which probably should have ended the game, but Bob Boone dropped strike three and Pete Rose scored from second base on the passed ball. I make no secret of my disdain for Pete Rose the human being, but as a ballplayer, I have no such feelings. There are very few other people who would have been smart enough and ballsy enough to try to score from second on a passed ball, down a run with two outs in the ninth. Alfredo Griffin maybe. Maybe.

Anyway, the Phils took a 5-4 lead in the 13th on a pinch-hit RBI single from Tony Taylor, but Gene Garber blew the save and the Reds tied it on a Pete Rose (again!) groundout.

This was an amazing baseball game, one I'd pay a goodly chunk of cash to watch.
                1  2  3   4  5  6   7  8  9  10 11 12  13 14 15    R  H  E
                -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -    -  -  -
Phillies        0  0  0   2  0  2   0  0  0   0  0  0   1  0  0    5 12  0
Reds            0  0  0   0  1  2   0  0  1   0  0  0   1  0  1    6 15  0


The least exciting game also pheatured the Phils. On May 9, Philadelphia scored four in the first, one in the third, and five in the fifth and coasted home to a 10-3 win. LA's junk time runs didn't move the WPA needle at all; it reached 100% in the fifth inning and stayed there for the rest of the game.
                1  2  3   4  5  6   7  8  9    R  H  E
                -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -    -  -  -
Dodgers         0  0  0   0  0  0   0  2  1    3  6  2
Phillies        4  0  1   0  5  0   0  0  X   10 14  0


All 1,939 games played in 1976 are ranked here, in case you're interested.
   9. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 10, 2017 at 12:32 PM (#5381007)
There are very few other people who would have been smart enough and ballsy enough to try to score from second on a passed ball, down a run with two outs in the ninth.


I love your write-ups, but this was just too perfect, because it was only a couple days ago I linked to Jarrod Dyson making that exact play--in a huge late September game against Chicago back in 2014.

(Though I think by Official Scoring rules, they scored Dyson's as him stealing third base and then taking home on the wild pitch. But still!)
   10. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 10, 2017 at 12:55 PM (#5381014)
Nice, Davo! Good timing.
   11. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 10, 2017 at 02:11 PM (#5381060)
I make no secret of my disdain for Pete Rose the human being, but as a ballplayer, I have no such feelings. There are very few other people who would have been smart enough and ballsy enough to try to score from second on a passed ball, down a run with two outs in the ninth. Alfredo Griffin maybe. Maybe.


I'm a lifetime Reds fan who had a poster of Pete Rose on my bedroom wall when I was in high school, back in the early 1970s. I wore #14 on my high school baseball team. I hate what Rose became, and I have no sympathy whatsoever for his current predicament; he should remained banned from baseball, and the HoF, forever. But man, was he something to watch in his prime as a player. He was such an incredibly smart, hustling player, and he was an absolute joy to root for. That can't be taken away, and it makes his transgressions even more painful.
   12. esseff Posted: January 10, 2017 at 02:27 PM (#5381072)
Re #9: Also Matt Duffy in Game 2 of 2014 NLCS, tying the game on a wild pitch with two outs in the ninth.
   13. T.J. Posted: January 10, 2017 at 02:32 PM (#5381080)
There are very few other people who would have been smart enough and ballsy enough to try to score from second on a passed ball, down a run with two outs in the ninth.

Similar occurrence, in a recent historic game. Different score and inning, but significantly bigger stage/stakes.
   14. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 10, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5381088)
1100 innings of 3.62 ERA pitching.....good for 4.5 bWAR, since that 3.62 ERA was just a 90 ERA+ back then (1967-1971).


Meanwhile in 1999-2000 Kelvin Escobar also had a 90 ERA+, with 5.52 ERA.

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