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Wednesday, January 10, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-10-2018

Cap Anson’s all-time team, published in The Sporting News, January 10, 1918:

C: Buck Ewing and King Kelly
IF: Cap Anson (1B), Fred Pfeffer (2B), Ned Williamson (3B), Ross Barnes (SS)
OF: Bill Lange, George Gore, Jimmy Ryan, Hugh Duffy
P: Amos Rusie, John Clarkson, Jim McCormick

Unfortunately I can’t seem to find a direct link to the article itself. According to an entry in the BBRef Bullpen, Anson does concede that Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, and Eddie Collins are good. They just weren’t good enough to make the team.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 10, 2018 at 09:41 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 10, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5603894)
A good infield on today's Birthday Team, but otherwise the roster is mostly fairly weak. At least there are a few young players on the way who have a chance to improve the team next year.

C: Johnny Peacock (3.01 WAR)
1B: Willie McCovey (64.43 WAR)
2B: Del Pratt (45.61 WAR)
3B: Adam Kennedy (20.99 WAR)
SS: George Strickland (6.56 WAR)
LF: Bob Brower (2.49 WAR)
CF/Manager: Harry Wright (1.21 WAR)
RF: Chick Stahl (31.65 WAR)

SP: Jim O'Toole (19.15 WAR)
SP: Richard Dotson (16.31 WAR)
SP: Cliff Chambers (8.4 WAR)
SP: Chuck Dobson (3.96 WAR)
SP: Ted Bowsfield (2.46 WAR)
RP: Rick Bauer (1.48 WAR)

Could be the relief ace in 2019: Drew Steckenrider (0.58 WAR)
Could make the starting lineup in 2019: Ryon Healy (3.18 WAR)
Could make the starting rotation in 2019: Ariel Miranda (1.69 WAR)
Not that one: John Houseman
Umpire: Wally Bell
Negro Leagues outfielder, almost certainly a better player than Brower: Fats Jenkins
Clown Prince: Max Patkin
   2. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 10, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5603902)
Ross Barnes (SS)


Per BB-Ref, Barnes was a shortstop about 25% of the time. Anything to keep the likes of Wagner out of there.
   3. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: January 10, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5603980)
Dave Cameron is leaving Fangraphs for the Padres.
   4. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: January 10, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5603988)
what was Anson's beef with Wagner?
   5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 10, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5603994)
From what I've read, Anson was grumpy about Grantland Rice publishing an all-time team that Cap thought underrepresented 19th-century players.

I'm not entirely certain Anson had any problem at all with Wagner; I think this was an attempt to "even the score" or some such thing against all these newfangled 20th-century baseballers. None of the players on Cap's all-time team were active after 1906.
   6. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 10, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5604051)
One of the first things on George Gore's Wikipedia page is about how he enraged Cap Anson by carousing too much and not taking baseball seriously enough, and still Cap picks him at CF over anyone who was under age 60 at the time. Definitely intended as an old-timers team.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 10, 2018 at 12:46 PM (#5604061)
Dave Cameron is leaving Fangraphs for the Padres.

Strange move, IMHO.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: January 10, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5604065)
Dave Cameron is leaving Fangraphs for the Padres.


That seems odd.

Edit: Coke to snapper.
   9. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: January 10, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5604076)
Dave Cameron is leaving Fangraphs for the Padres.


That seems odd.

Edit: Coke to snapper.


maybe he thinks he can help the Pads become the 6th best organization in baseball?
   10. KJOK Posted: January 10, 2018 at 01:04 PM (#5604078)
Negro Leagues outfielder, almost certainly a better player than Brower: Fats Jenkins


And John Beckwith would almost certainly be a better SS than George Strickland.

John Beckwith Playing Record
   11. wjones Posted: January 10, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5604100)
Negro Leagues outfielder, almost certainly a better player than Brower: Fats Jenkins

And John Beckwith would almost certainly be a better SS than George Strickland.


Neither passed the Cap Anson test.
   12. Gerald Bostock Posted: January 10, 2018 at 02:51 PM (#5604154)
Dave Cameron is leaving Fangraphs for the Padres.

One can't hold those two stupid referenda against him forever.
   13. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: January 10, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5604169)
Jim O'Toole, ace lefthander for the Ross Eversoles...
   14. Walt Davis Posted: January 10, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5604219)
Adam Kennedy had a much better (well, longer) career than I realized. Never hurts to be a LHB IF I guess. Sort of a destitute man's Lou Whitaker.

EDIT: Also no way Anson's team makes it a full season without a 4th pitcher. Doesn't he understand how the game is played in the modern era? :-)
   15. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 10, 2018 at 04:32 PM (#5604227)
SP: Jim O'Toole (19.15 WAR)


Jim O'Toole is pretty unique in that he was a teammate of Jim Brosnan when the latter wrote "The Long Season" and "Pennant Race", and of Jim Bouton when he was writing "Ball Four". O'Toole last pitched in the majors in 1967, but spent 1968 in the minors, and tried to latch on with the Pilots in 1969. He retired when he didn't make the team out of spring training, but at least he got his photo taken as a Pilot...
   16. Cblau Posted: January 10, 2018 at 09:29 PM (#5604359)
It's not like Anson had a bias towards players he was teammates with or managed. After all, he never on the same team with Ewing.

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