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Wednesday, January 11, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-11-2017

Joe Tinker tells a story about Larry McLean, Seattle Star, January 11, 1917:

“McLean caught the Sunday games. Then he went to a party. He did not report Monday at all. Tuesday morning he was a sight.”
[After a foul tip broke replacement catcher Clark Griffith’s finger in the first inning of the first game of a Tuesday doubleheader,] “Griffith had no one to put in but McLean. To my dying day I will remember how McLean looked as he came across the field. He fell over his protector three times before reaching the plate.”
[After the first game,] “McLean went across the street, had a few drinks and came back for the afternoon melee.”
“He was dripping perspiration as he came off the field [after the second game]. ‘Well, Joe,’ he called out to me, ‘I guess the big fellow’s better drunk than most of the boys are sober.’”

McLean was the very definition of a functional alcoholic. He was a pretty good ballplayer who put up 11.1 career WAR and was the Giants’ best position player in the 1913 World Series.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 11, 2017 at 10:50 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 11, 2017 at 10:55 AM (#5381560)
A good pitching staff and a good outfield on today's Birthday Team. Not much else, though. There were three possible managers: McClendon, Manny Acta, and Max Carey. None was a particularly successful manager; I chose McClendon because he's had the longest managerial career, but there's no clear winner in that three-way battle.

C: Art Watson (0.91 WAR)
1B/Manager: Lloyd McClendon (-0.45 WAR)
2B: Warren Morris (2.86 WAR)
3B: George Pinkney (20.91 WAR)
SS: Rey Ordonez (1.24 WAR)
LF: Jermaine Allensworth (-0.07 WAR)
CF: Max Carey (54.17 WAR)
RF: Elmer Flick (53.19 WAR)

SP: Silver King (51.94 WAR)
SP: Schoolboy Rowe (43.48 WAR)
SP: General Crowder (28.7 WAR)
SP: Harry McIntire (8.84 WAR)
SP: Danny Salazar (8 WAR)
RP: Don Mossi (23.47 WAR)

Fun name: Nikco Riesgo
Not that one: Frank Baker
Pope: Donn Pall
The dread pirate's goody two shoes little brother: Skipper Roberts
   2. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 11, 2017 at 10:59 AM (#5381562)
...also, I can't see Nikco Riesgo's name without thinking of his crazy plan to buy the Expos and move them to Detroit. In the rankings of the worst baseball ideas of my lifetime, a second MLB team in Detroit is a dark horse Top Ten candidate.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2017 at 11:54 AM (#5381620)
CF: Max Carey (54.17 WAR)
RF: Elmer Flick (53.19 WAR)

Interesting contrast in the OF. Almost identical WAR, but totally different way to get there.

Flick only has 6400 PA, but put up a 149 OPS+. Carey has almost 11,000 PA with a 108 OPS+.
   4. Dag Nabbit at Posted: January 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM (#5381622)
Former MLB Game of the Week broadcaster Bob Costas is exactly as old as Jackie Onassis was the day she died (23,671 days).

Anyone who wants to can look up these as-old-as items for themselves here. For example, I'm exactly as old as Dan Quayle was the day Lloyd Bentsen said, "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy." -- 15,218 days.
   5. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: January 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM (#5381655)
Cuban 3B Luis Yander La O to TEX on a minor league deal for 110k. No power, very good contact skills but lacks patience, solid speed and d (range and arm). Has played some second (needs work on the dp) and could become decent there with reps. Could maybe learn SS as well. Supposedly ready for high majors, but I'd like to see him in AA ball to start. Will be 25 next season.
   6. BDC Posted: January 11, 2017 at 01:22 PM (#5381712)
Max Carey went 1-for-4 against his former long-time teammates and scored two runs as the Robins beat the Pirates in Pittsburgh, 11-10, on 11 June 1927. Brooklyn starter Bill Doak got shelled; journeyman reliever Norman Plitt kept the Robins in the game; they turned to ace Jesse Petty in the 8th and took the lead in the top of the 9th, but then the Pirates got to Petty and Dazzy Vance had to come in to save the game for Brooklyn. A wild one.

Plitt was the fellow who had the enigmatic career consisting of just two major-league seasons, 1918 and 1927; he pitched professionally 1916-19 and again 1927-31 but not in between. On 11 June he still hadn't given up an earned run in 1927.
   7. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 11, 2017 at 01:48 PM (#5381734)
Games of the year time!

I finished the games of 1977 this morning. According to my system, the most exciting game of 1977 came on June 20, when the Cubs and Giants played before a 4,344-person throng at Candlestick:
                1  2  3   4  5  6   7  8  9  10 11 12    R  H  E
                -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -    -  -  -
Cubs            0  0  0   0  4  0   0  2  3   0  0  1   10 12  3
Giants          0  0  0   0  2  3   0  3  1   0  0  0    9 15  2

Yeah, that's a good one. The win probability graph is all over the place on this one. The Cubs take a 4-0 lead in the fifth, cough up that lead to go down 5-4 in the sixth, retake the lead in the top of the eighth, give up the lead in the bottom of the eighth, re-retake the lead in the top of the ninth, and then blow the save in the bottom of the ninth. At one point in the ninth, San Francisco's win probability was up to 97%.

Using a slightly different version of my formula, the Padres-Expos game on May 21 comes out on top.
                1  2  3   4  5  6   7  8  9  10 11 12  13 14 15  16 17 18  19 20 21    R  H  E
                -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -    -  -  -
Padres          3  0  0   0  0  3   0  1  0   0  0  1   0  0  0   0  0  0   0  0  3   11 13  0
Expos           0  1  0   0  4  1   0  1  0   0  0  1   0  0  0   0  0  0   0  0  0    8 25  2

It's difficult to argue against this one. 21 innings, five half-innings in which the team that was trailing came back to tie or take the lead, and two blown saves by the Padres. This game featured two remarkable relief pitching performances. Jackie Brown (RIP) threw six perfect innings for les Expos, while Rick Sawyer threw eight shutout innings out of the Padres bullpen to get the win. Sawyer had been removed from the San Diego starting rotation a week earlier, having put up a 6.87 ERA in seven starts, so nobody would have expected that kind of outing.

The least exciting game of 1977 came when the Astros went to Atlanta on August 15:
                1  2  3   4  5  6   7  8  9    R  H  E
                -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -    -  -  -
Astros          6  3  2   0  0  4   0  0  0   15 14  4
Braves          0  0  0   0  0  0   0  1  2    3  5  1

Yuck. Six in the first, three in the second, two in the third, and four in the sixth to take a 15-0 lead. Houston's J.R. Richard threw five innings of one-hit shutout ball and homered to help his own cause. It's generally a bad thing when the opposing starting pitcher hits as many home runs as the number of hits he allows.

Ratings for all 2,103 games played in 1977 are here, in case you're interested.
   8. BDC Posted: January 11, 2017 at 01:51 PM (#5381736)
Wow, there were 5,919 people present at the start of that Astros-Braves game. I wonder how many were left by the fourth inning. I wonder how many arrived for the second or third inning, took one look, and drove straight home :)

   9. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: January 11, 2017 at 02:02 PM (#5381745)
And thanks Dan L. for reminding me of the Riesgo plan. So nuts.
   10. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 11, 2017 at 03:06 PM (#5381813)
The #Braves have acquired minor-league LHPs Luiz Gohara & Thomas Burrows from the Mariners in exchange for Mallex Smith & Shae Simmons
   11. Hank G. Posted: January 11, 2017 at 03:38 PM (#5381859)
Speaking of functional alcoholics, Mickey Mantle once hit a pinch hit home run with a really severe hangover.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 11, 2017 at 03:42 PM (#5381864)
The dread pirate's goody two shoes little brother: Skipper Roberts

Wouldn't he be the guy who drove the pirate ship?
   13. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: January 11, 2017 at 03:56 PM (#5381884)
Mallex Smith has already been flipped to TB. Smyly to SEA, TB gets Smith, Carlos Vargas, and Ryan Yarbrough.
   14. Dag Nabbit at Posted: January 11, 2017 at 04:04 PM (#5381893)
Speaking of functional alcoholics, Mickey Mantle once hit a pinch hit home run with a really severe hangover.

Aug. 4, 1963. I looked it up in this THT column.
   15. Cblau Posted: January 11, 2017 at 10:20 PM (#5382099)
Is that supposed to be replacement catcher Tommy Clarke?
   16. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 12, 2017 at 10:31 AM (#5382236)

Immediately after the story says that Clark Griffith told McLean to wear his uniform and sit in the dugout, it says that "Clark went in to catch". I didn't consider that it might be a misspelling of Tommy Clarke's name, and I figured that Griffith must've just said 'screw it, I'll just do it myself'.
   17. esseff Posted: January 12, 2017 at 02:27 PM (#5382489)

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