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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-11-2018

New York Tribune, January 11, 1918:

“Stuffy” McInnis, of the Philadelphia Americans, the last survivor of Connie Mack’s old champions, will be a member of the Boston Red Sox in 1918. The deal for his services was completed over the long distance telephone [yesterday].
...
[Red Sox] Manager Barry said…the deal for McInnis was held up because the Sox would not give up a player Connie Mack wanted, but that this angle was straightened out by telephone a few moments before the announcement of McInnis’s transfer was made.

This whole telephone thing might change the way baseball clubs are run!

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 11, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5604537)
Today's Birthday Team has a nice pitching staff and a couple of star outfielders. It's got some serious question marks among most of the other position players, though.

C: Art Watson (0.91 WAR)
1B/Manager: Lloyd McClendon (-0.45 WAR)
2B: Warren Morris (2.86 WAR)
3B: George Pinkney (20.91 WAR)
SS: Roy Hughes (2.82 WAR)
LF: Max Carey (54.17 WAR)
CF: Jermaine Allensworth (-0.07 WAR)
RF: Elmer Flick (53.19 WAR)

SP: Silver King (51.94 WAR)
SP: Schoolboy Rowe (43.48 WAR)
SP: General Crowder (28.7 WAR)
SP: Don Mossi (23.47 WAR)
SP: Danny Salazar (9.31 WAR)
RP: Harry McIntire (8.84 WAR)

General Manager: Jack Zduriencik
Backup IF: Rey Ordonez (1.24 WAR)
Inexplicably wanted to move the Expos to Detroit: Nikco Riesgo
Minor leaguer: Wonderful Terrific Monds III
"Describe the Battle of Waterloo in two words.": Dutch Mele
No relation to Dutch Mele: Danny Napoleon
   2. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: January 11, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5604550)
Rey-no-O has a positive WAR?

Maybe defense means something...or something...
   3. BDC Posted: January 11, 2018 at 10:37 AM (#5604555)
Today's box-score line records feature a near-sweep of the category. These are for various numbers of Runs Scored (>0) in a game where a guy went 2-for-3 and drove in just one run. AB/R/H/BI, reg. season since 1913:

3 1 2 1 : Barry Bonds, 32

3 2 2 1 : Barry Bonds, 19

3 3 2 1 : Barry Bonds, 6 (shared with Rickey Henderson and Stan Hack)

3 5 2 1 : Barry Bonds, once (shared with five others; most recent was Tim Naehring in 1996)

The only one of these that Bonds does not hold or share is most times going 3 4 2 1. It seems Bonds never did that. Ted Williams is the only person to do it twice.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 11, 2018 at 11:20 AM (#5604620)
There was a guy on here who went by the handle of My Guest Will Be Jermaine Allensworth, which always struck me as brilliant for some reason.
   5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 11, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5604650)
Jermaine Allensworth was the subject of one of my favorite Harry Caray non-sequitur asides: "Jermaine Allensworth. That sounds like a rock star's name!"

It...sorta doesn't at all, Harry.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 11, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5604661)
It...sorta doesn't at all, Harry.

Yeah, but I think Htrowsnella Eniamrej is the bassist in Sigur Ros.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: January 11, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5604665)
Htrowsnella Htrowsnellasson
   8. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 11, 2018 at 12:59 PM (#5604714)
Good ol' Harry would have seen through the Yvan Eht Nioj ruse in about two beers flat.
   9. Batman Posted: January 11, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5604802)
In Harry's defense, he pronounced "Jermaine Allensworth" as "Ringo Starr."
   10. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 11, 2018 at 02:39 PM (#5604821)
Rey-no-O has a positive WAR?

Maybe defense means something...or something...


It's hard for a shortstop to not have a positive WAR. Ordoñez comes pretty close with -188 Rbat and only 55 Rfield over his long career, but he also gets 52 Rpos, bringing him up to only -79 RAA (79 runs below average) in 973 games which is still above replacement.

He would be negative if not for the 1999 season when he was credited with 33 of his career 55 Rfield.

What a season the 1999 Mets had. Robin Ventura, Mike Piazza, and Edgardo Alfonzo all finished in the top 10 of MVP voting. Roger Cedeño had his career year. Benny Agbayani had one of his two career years, which were his only two full years. Jermaine Allensworth was on the team. And so on.

The 1999 Mets had five pitchers with double-digit wins. I will bet nobody can name all five.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: January 11, 2018 at 02:45 PM (#5604827)
I will bet nobody can name all five.


I got three. The fifth is a doozy.
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: January 11, 2018 at 02:45 PM (#5604828)
Bobby Jones, Bobby Jones, Bobby Jones, Bobby Jones, and Al Leiter.
   13. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 11, 2018 at 02:45 PM (#5604829)
None of the Bobby Joneses are right.
   14. JJ1986 Posted: January 11, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5604830)
Is Octavio Dotel one of them?
   15. PreservedFish Posted: January 11, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5604832)
I got Leiter and Reed, the two easiest. I also got Yoshii.

Dotel was a rookie that year, and wasn't great. I remember that in the fateful Kenny Rogers game, the choice was between Rogers or Dotel. Of course I'm probably wrong about that.
   16. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 11, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5604845)
As a Reds fan, that 1999 tie-breaker game broke my heart. The only saving grace that night was that after watching the game on TV I was able to go see Sleater-Kinney play an unadvertised show at a small club to test potential songs for their next album.
   17. Batman Posted: January 11, 2018 at 03:07 PM (#5604852)
What a season the 1999 Mets had. Robin Ventura, Mike Piazza, and Edgardo Alfonzo all finished in the top 10 of MVP voting. Roger Cedeño had his career year. Benny Agbayani had one of his two career years, which were his only two full years. Jermaine Allensworth was on the team. And so on.
And Rickey had his last really good year.
   18. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 11, 2018 at 03:20 PM (#5604862)
And they got to wear these jerseys.
   19. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 11, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5604886)
The fifth is a doozy.

Was it one of Jason Isringhausen, Bill Pulsipher, Paul Wilson, or...who was that last guy?
   20. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 11, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5604922)
Was it one of Jason Isringhausen, Bill Pulsipher, Paul Wilson, or...who was that last guy?
Bobby Jones?
   21. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 11, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5604924)
Bobby Jones?

Doesn't really narrow it down much.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: January 11, 2018 at 04:35 PM (#5604931)
Wow, it's amazing that guy got 10 wins with that stat line.

Or apparently not. He's one of 6 pitchers in history to do it, two did it in 2014. Hint ... it was first done by the famous Joe Klink (HOGAAAAN!) in 1991. What am I talking about and who were the others?
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 11, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5604937)
What am I talking about and who were the others?

I looked up the pitcher but not the specific stat line, so...winning 10 games while making zero starts and having fewer IP than games? Others, I dunno, Orosco would be the obvious guess, but I think he pitched longer outings back when he vultured some wins. As for the 2014 guys, I'm not sure I could name any recent LOOGYs in the Parade of Anonymous Relievers. Sipp? He's a pitcher who exists, right?
   24. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 11, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5604940)
Hint ... it was first done by the famous Joe Klink (HOGAAAAN!) in 1991. What am I talking about and who were the others?


And those ten wins represent every win he got in his MLB career,
   25. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 11, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5604941)
Soon there will be a pitcher with 0 starts who leads his team in wins, if teams start removing all starters after 2 trips through the order as a rule.

Update: The very first team I looked at to see how likely this is, the 2017 Reds, did in fact have a pitcher with 0 starts who led the team in wins. It seems more likely than I thought.
   26. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 11, 2018 at 04:56 PM (#5604944)
Soon there will be a pitcher with 0 starts who leads his team in wins, if teams start removing all starters after 2 trips through the order as a rule.

And Billy Ripken will hate that guy.
   27. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 11, 2018 at 05:06 PM (#5604960)
Aha! I see he was tied for the team lead with Vern Law. Michael Lorenzen led the 2017 Reds outright.

How many times has that happened, Walt? Less than 100?
   28. Batman Posted: January 11, 2018 at 05:08 PM (#5604962)
David Robertson may have led the White Sox in wins if he'd stayed with them the whole year. He had four wins for them and five for the Yankees. Their leaders in wins (Miguel Gonzalez and Derek Holland) only had 7. Gonzalez was traded in August and Holland was released in September. By the end of the season, the pitcher on the Sox roster with the most W for them was James Shields, with 5 ####### wins. Second most was 3.
   29. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 11, 2018 at 05:09 PM (#5604964)
Bill Campbell did it for the 1976 Twins, John Hiller for the 1974 Tigers, and Enrique Romo for the 1978 Mariners, too.

   30. Steve N Posted: January 11, 2018 at 05:09 PM (#5604965)
Syd Monge had some odd won/lost records with the Phillies. Many wins, few losses, poor stats otherwise. I guess it helps a reliever to play on a team that scores buckets of runs. Check out his 1982.
   31. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: January 11, 2018 at 05:17 PM (#5604976)
He was only 4th on the 1985 Blue Jays in wins, but Dennis Lamp converting 1 game started into an 11-0 W-L record was a pretty neat trick.
   32. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 11, 2018 at 05:32 PM (#5604994)
And the next year, Mark Eichhorn tied with Jimmy Key and Jim Clancy with 14 wins for the Jays.
   33. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: January 11, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5605011)
Bill Campbell did it for the 1976 Twins, John Hiller for the 1974 Tigers, and Enrique Romo for the 1978 Mariners, too.


Dick Radatz in 1964
Dale murray in 1975
Eddie Fisher in 1965
Jim Slaton in 1983
Mark Clear in 1982

I got tired of looking. there are a bunch
   34. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 11, 2018 at 05:52 PM (#5605018)
The year they traded Cole Hamels, the Phillies had a 4-way tie for most wins with 6, including Ken Giles.
   35. Walt Davis Posted: January 11, 2018 at 10:38 PM (#5605193)
For future reference :-), I am useless when it comes to stuff like "led his team in" P-I searches.

But yes, I was looking for ... not zero starts technically but more games than IP and won at least 10 games ... although I realized later I got caught in the ol' ">=" vs. ">" PI trap and Klink had exactly as many IP as games.

Since nobody seems interested in guessing at mine (fair enough, I wouldn't have had a clue either) in addition to the 1999 Mets answer (I don't think this has been guessed yet) and Klink they are (each had exactly 10 wins):

Tony Watson 2014, 78 games, 77.1 IP
Francisco Cordero 2006, 77 games, 75.1 IP
Mike Dunn 2014, 75 games, 57 IP (our hero!)
Matt Belisle 2011, 74 games, 72 IP
Mets guy 1999, 71 games, 63 IP
Joe Klink 1991, 62 games, 62 IP

Impressively, Cordero and Belisle were not LOOGYs. Dunn was on the 2014 Marlins and finished tied for 2nd on the team in wins. He also picked up 6 losses. Belisle was 2nd on the 2011 Rox.

Now here's a relief season for you -- Bob Grim in 1957. He made just 46 appearances going 72 innings for the Yanks ... and he got 20 decisions (12-8), 19 saves and a hold. Can't get much higher leverage than that -- gmLI of 2.39. (Rivera's best single season was 2.14; Gossage's 1975 beats him at 2.42.)

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