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Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-19-2013

Pittsburgh Press, February 19, 1913:

Lost: One Indian warrior belonging to the Giants. Jim Thorpe, who was baptized Drags-His-Root by his aboriginal daddy, has disappeared.
...
Jim was scheduled to join the main party of Giants in Harrisburg Sunday evening, but missed connections. The Olympic hero then was expected in St. Louis, but he was not there when the train pulled out last night. McGraw, who has not said so, seems very anxious to locate him.

They eventually found him, obviously. Even in 1913, it would have been difficult to actually lose the most famous athlete on the continent.

The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 07:09 AM | 45 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 07:20 AM (#4371700)
Random thing I learned today: Two different people named Bob Sadowski played in the major leagues in 1963.

Birthday Team:
C: Russ Nixon
1B: Dick Siebert
2B: Stan Sperry
3B/Manager: John Morrill
SS: Alvaro Espinoza
LF: Russ Sullivan
CF: Don Taussig
RF: Josh Reddick

SP: Dave Stewart
SP: Miguel Batista
SP: Bob Sadowski
SP: Tom Earley
SP: Weldon Wyckoff
RP: Tim Burke

General Manager: Walt Jocketty
Play-By-Play: Dave Niehaus
   2. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: February 19, 2013 at 09:20 AM (#4371719)
As noted at THT, today also marks 5,000 days since one of the worst moments in Houston Astros histroy. Can you guess what it is before clicking on the link?
   3. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 09:28 AM (#4371723)
Trying to think of the worst moment in Astros history, the death of Don Wilson immediately came to mind, but obviously that was more than 5,000 days ago.
   4. BochysFingers Posted: February 19, 2013 at 09:50 AM (#4371724)
Billy Wagner going down for the season in Y2K?
   5. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: February 19, 2013 at 10:23 AM (#4371738)
Joining the AL? Or so I've heard...
   6. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM (#4371747)
Trivia from Dag Nabbit's book: In the past 100 years, only two pitchers who qualified for the ERA title finished all their starts in a season. Name them. (Hint: Both are in the Hall of Fame.)
   7. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 10:45 AM (#4371750)
Trivia from Dag Nabbit's book: In the past 100 years, only two pitchers who qualified for the ERA title finished all their starts in a season. Name them. (Hint: Both are in the Hall of Fame.)
Ted Lyons? Seems like maybe he did in one of the Sunday starter years. No idea about the other.
   8. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4371752)
Yep, Ted Lyons in 1942 was 20-for-20. The other was a couple decades before Lyons.
   9. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: February 19, 2013 at 10:50 AM (#4371756)
Random fact: among active pitchers without a complete game, the two guys w/ the most career GS are both on the Tigers - Max Scherzer (133) and Rick Porcello (120).
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: February 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM (#4371758)
Knowing Dag's feelings on that particular quirk, I'd guess the birth of Tal's Hill.

   11. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM (#4371763)
In the past 100 years, only two pitchers who qualified for the ERA title finished all their starts in a season.


I guess the language disqualifies Mike Marshall in some way?
   12. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 10:59 AM (#4371764)
Marshall had 14 starts for the '69 Pilots and completed three of them. Those were his only career CGs.
   13. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:08 AM (#4371771)
I may or may not be at my computer for much of the day, so I'll link to the BB-Ref page of the other pitcher who completed all his starts in a season.

The link is shortened with bit.ly to avoid giving away the answer to someone who unintentionally hovers his/her mouse over the link.
   14. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM (#4371773)
Knowing Dag's feelings on that particular quirk, I'd guess the birth of Tal's Hill.

I wasn't aware I had any very strong feelings on that quirk. I don't think much of Houston's stadium, but the most annoying is that wall where if you hit it over the line on the wall it's a homer, even if it just hit the wall.
   15. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM (#4371781)
Look, it's Josh Reddick.
   16. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM (#4371782)
Now that I think about it, I'd be interested to read about the worst moment in the history of each franchise. It's easy for Cleveland: The Olin/Crews/Ojeda boating incident. Game Seven in '97 and Herb Score taking a line drive to the head are both on the fringes of the picture.

Several others would be much more contentious: For Houston, is it Richard's stroke or Wilson's death? For the Red Sox, is it Conigliaro, Bucky F. Dent, or the sale of Ruth? For the Yankees, is it Gehrig's diagnosis or Munson's plane crash?

For the Marlins, it's probably when Jeff Loria bought the team.
   17. bobm Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4371784)
For single seasons, From 1913 to 2012, (requiring CG=GS and Qualified for league ERA title), sorted by smallest Games Finished

                                                               
Rk           Player GF CG GS Year Age  Tm Lg   G  W  L SV    IP
1         Ted Lyons  0 20 20 1942  41 CHW AL  20 14  6  0 180.1

3      Hoyt Wilhelm 32  0  0 1952  29 NYG NL  71 15  3 11 159.1
4       Bob Stanley 33  0  0 1982  27 BOS AL  48 12  7 14 168.1
5      Eddie Fisher 60  0  0 1965  28 CHW AL  82 15  7 24 165.1
6     Bill Campbell 68  0  0 1976  27 MIN AL  78 17  5 20 167.2
7     Mike Marshall 73  0  0 1973  30 MON NL  92 14 11 31 179.0
8     Mike Marshall 83  0  0 1974  31 LAD NL 106 15 12 21 208.1


   18. SoSH U at work Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM (#4371786)
I wasn't aware I had any very strong feelings on that quirk. I don't think much of Houston's stadium, but the most annoying is that wall where if you hit it over the line on the wall it's a homer, even if it just hit the wall.


Really? I could have sworn you had sworn at the hill before. You do really dislike the stadium, don't you?

   19. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM (#4371787)
Just realized I forgot about Buckner in my list of candidates for the Red Sox nadir.
   20. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4371828)
Wow, a Paul DePo reference at Engadget:

Not everyone likes burying their head in a pile of spreadsheets, but that's how we get our kicks. It hasn't made us rich or successful like Paul DePodesta, but at least we get the satisfaction of bringing you HTC's latest vital statistics.


Sorry, work is just boring as #### today.
   21. just plain joe Posted: February 19, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4371829)
It's easy for Cleveland: The Olin/Crews/Ojeda boating incident. Game Seven in '97 and Herb Score taking a line drive to the head are both on the fringes of the picture.


Ray Chapman says hello.
   22. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM (#4371845)
Oh, sorry, Chappie. You're right.

I guess the order would be something like Chapman-Olin-'97 Series-Score-Colavito Trade.

The trade is famously disastrous, but let's face it: Kuenn played pretty well in his one season as an Indian in 1960, and it's not like a team that was building its pitching staff around Gary Bell, Dick Stigman, and Barry Latman was going to win championships in the American League of the early 1960s, even with Rocky Colavito. The often-overlooked debacle in the aftermath of the Colavito-Kuenn deal was after the 1960 season when Frank Lane freaked out and dumped Kuenn for Willie Kirkland and broken-down Johnny Antonelli.

edit to add: Yes, Kuenn was approaching the end of his career and Kirkland was arguably a better ballplayer after the trade, but the going rate for a 29-year-old eight-time All Star outfielder with a batting title and two doubles titles in three years is considerably higher than a cromulent right fielder and the ghost of Johnny Antonelli.
   23. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: February 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM (#4371848)
Two non-baseball fans have called me this year to ask about DePo - I wonder if he's garnered some sort of business cachet (presumably from Moneyball)?
   24. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4371858)
Hmm, Philly. What could it be? :(

'64 collapse, the Chico Ruiz steal of home if you need a pinpoint rather than a 10-day stretch.

Black Friday, 1977, NLCS. Ozark leaves Luzinski in LF (after subbing for defense all year) to blow a 5-3 lead in the 9th.

2010 NLCS, Ryan Howard watches called strike three for the final out.

2011 NLDS, Ryan Howard tears his Achilles on the final out, the last play of his old contract before the albatross kicks in. That was SO symbolic.

Trades of Alexander, Jenkins and Sandberg are contenders for #5.
   25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM (#4371862)

Now that I think about it, I'd be interested to read about the worst moment in the history of each franchise. It's easy for Cleveland: The Olin/Crews/Ojeda boating incident. Game Seven in '97 and Herb Score taking a line drive to the head are both on the fringes of the picture.


Depends on what you mean by "worst." For the Royals, Dick Howser's death was the most tragic. Chris Chambliss' HR in the 1976 ALCS was the most gut-punching on-field moment. But the worst in terms of impact was probably David Glass buying the team, or John Schuerholz leaving.
   26. Steve N Posted: February 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM (#4371865)
Chico Ruiz, may he burn in Hell.
   27. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 19, 2013 at 01:02 PM (#4371866)
For the White Sox I'd like to say Disco Demolition night, but it's got to be the suspension and subsequent banishment of the Black Sox.
   28. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 19, 2013 at 01:04 PM (#4371868)
[26] It's a long shot but you're not the Steve N I worked with and played low winning % softball with at ICC by any chance, are you?
   29. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 19, 2013 at 01:15 PM (#4371879)
I think most longtime franchises have a too early death that tops everything. Forty years on, I still perceive an alternate universe where Clemente took over as Pirate manager in 1975.

On the field, the end of the 1992 LCS carries the most anguish now, but the Homer in the Gloamin' may have been the worst over the whole history of the franchise.
   30. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: February 19, 2013 at 01:17 PM (#4371880)
You do really dislike the stadium, don't you?

I think it's far too cutesy for its own good. But I have no really strong feelings about it. I've never been in it.
   31. Karl from NY Posted: February 19, 2013 at 01:22 PM (#4371885)
Mets: Seaver trade? Kazmir trade? Gooden's cocaine? Strawberry leaving? Clemens not getting ejected for assault? Madoff fleecing the Wilpons? Glavine's game 162 in 2007?

I'd call Gil Hodges' untimely death probably the worst in objective terms, although that doesn't seem to be much remembered nowadays, and may or may not have had much on-field impact. (Coke to the first sentence of #29.)
   32. JJ1986 Posted: February 19, 2013 at 01:24 PM (#4371890)
Mets: Seaver trade? Kazmir trade? Gooden's cocaine? Strawberry leaving? Clemens not getting ejected for assault? Madoff fleecing the Wilpons? Glavine's game 162 in 2007?


I'd pick Kenny Rogers.
   33. esseff Posted: February 19, 2013 at 01:40 PM (#4371901)
I'm not sure how you can do this for the Cardinals. How do you compare a death (like Kile's or McHenry's) to something like the Denkinger call or Curt Flood breaking wrong (twice) on a long flyball. Can championships lost be a worse moment than the loss of a life?
   34. Poster Nutbag Posted: February 19, 2013 at 02:08 PM (#4371932)
Canseco....Gravity.....good times....
   35. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 19, 2013 at 02:22 PM (#4371940)
For the Red Sox, is it Conigliaro


This would be my pick. You've got legitimate personal tragedy as well significant on field impact. It's made worse by the fact that Tony C. died at such a young age as well. He's one of the great "might have beens" in baseball history in my opinion.
   36. Steve N Posted: February 19, 2013 at 03:00 PM (#4371965)
Edmundo, unlikely.
   37. Walt Davis Posted: February 19, 2013 at 04:31 PM (#4372052)
I'd be interested to read about the worst moment in the history of each franchise.

We'll save a lot of time if we just list the good moments for the Cubs and assume everything else was just another worst moment in history.

Actually, off the field, the Cubs have been a reasonably blessed franchise. It's been nearly 50 years, I'm almost even willing to let the Brock trade go. Santo and the HoF is probably the saddest story of the last 40+ years. Ken Hubbs dying in the early 60s would be the tragic moment but it was before my fandom. He was talked about a pretty good bit through the 70s but seemed to fade from the Cub mythos after that.

   38. Walt Davis Posted: February 19, 2013 at 04:33 PM (#4372057)
baptized Drags-His-Root

Was the reporter trying to make an off-color joke, was he suckered in by an off-color joke or was this a standard bit of racist humor at the time?
   39. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 04:44 PM (#4372079)
Tough to say, Walt. I almost tagged today's link "casual racism", but decided against it. Thorpe's native name translates roughly (but not precisely) to "Bright Path".
   40. alkeiper Posted: February 19, 2013 at 05:31 PM (#4372150)
The Phillies had a stadium disaster in 1903 that killed 12 and injured hundreds. That deserves some consideration.
   41. alkeiper Posted: February 19, 2013 at 05:32 PM (#4372152)
Christy Mathewson, would his disability and eventual death count against the Cincinnati Reds?
   42. Greg Franklin Posted: February 19, 2013 at 06:11 PM (#4372173)
Der K: Doesn't DePo make the off-season rounds at business symposia, giving speeches about the tao of Moneyball and so forth?

Regarding today's Pittsburg Press, a sad true-crime note from the back page.

PRIEST IS SLAIN TAKING CONFESSION
By United Press.

Mulheim, Feb 19-- A tragedy that shocked the entire countryside occurred here today when Father Wenger, the village priest, was shot and killed by an insane man while taking the confession of a child.

The madman had not been noticed by anyone in the priest's household, and the first intimation of danger came when a shot rang out. The assailant was immediately overpowered and arrested, but with his dying breath Father Wenger pleaded that he be shown consideration.
   43. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4372176)
while taking the confession of a child


Is that what they're calling it these days?
   44. mathesond Posted: February 19, 2013 at 07:56 PM (#4372235)
A little late to the party, but I'll give the Blue Jays a shot:

1985 AlCS
The last week of the 1987 season
The last month of the 1990 season
Interbrew purchasing Labatt and the team/Gord Ash replacing Pat Gillick

Others receiving consideration: Lowballing Delgado, trading Michael Young for Esteban Loaiza, Wells for Sirotka, the 2004 and 2012 seasons from hell,
   45. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2013 at 08:03 PM (#4372239)
No time for a long-form Birthday League update today.

Standings:
February 6         81  42  .659 ----    
February 5         81  45  .643  1.5        
January 31         75  48  .610  6.0     
February 10        73  52  .584  9.0        
February 18        69  54  .561 12.0     
February 15        70  55  .560 12.0
Babe Ruth is still amazing. Billy Hamilton, Honus Wagner, and Hank Aaron are still fantastic but not as good as Ruth.

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