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Wednesday, January 15, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-15-2014

New York Evening World, January 15, 1914:

Something new in baseball. The Browns this spring will dwell in their own boarding house, passing up the hotels. A house with twenty-six rooms is being constructed, two stories high, and having “all the comforts of home,” at their training grounds at St. Petersburg, Fla.

Huh. That’s a very Branch Rickey thing to do. Anyway, their training grounds were just southwest of Coffee Pot Bayou and about two miles northeast of where the Rays play their home games.

Willie Horton Hears The Who (Dan Lee) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 08:10 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Willie Horton Hears The Who (Dan Lee) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 08:13 AM (#4639290)
Today's Birthday middle infield is fantastic, and the guys on the infield and outfield corners can all play. Hopefully Jim Joyce won't get assigned to umpire their games.

C/Manager: Jerry Narron
1B: Tony Solaita
2B: Bobby Grich
3B: Rance Mulliniks
SS: Ray Chapman
LF: Matt Holliday
CF: Johnny Rucker
RF: Delino DeShields

SP: Steve Gromek
SP: Jock Menefee
SP: Joe Genewich
SP: Grover Lowdermilk
SP: Armando Galarraga
RP: Mike Marshall
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 09:40 AM (#4639340)
They don't make names like Grover Lowdermilk anymore.
   3. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4639611)
Hopefully Jim Joyce won't get assigned to umpire their games.

Come on, we all know Grich just calls for that grounder and it turns into the most routine 4-3 groundout in history.
   4. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4639637)
Wow, so Ray Chapman actually was a helluva player, wasn't he?

He died at age 29, and had 29 WAR at that time, which is a great total (I show it as the 30th most all-time by shortstops through age 29). He's ahead of a handful of Hall of Fame shortstops: Reese, Ozzie Smith, Aparicio, Appling and Bancroft. (And Rizzuto, but of course he missed three years in WW2).

Was there ever any sort of Hall of Fame campaign started for Chapman? That skill combined with the tragic circumstances of his death seems like he could have had a chance--I mean, if Ross Youngs and Addie Joss made it...
   5. Willie Horton Hears The Who (Dan Lee) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4639656)
Nothing substantial re: Chapman and the Hall of Fame. He received one vote in the first election, tied for 80th place with (among others) a guy who played four years, was exactly replacement level, and murdered his family. I'm a huge fan of Chapman, but I can't really make an intellectually honest case for him to be in the HOF. Chapman was a really, really good player, but Joss was legitimately great and Youngs was a mindblowingly bad selection by the Hall. OTOH, Chappie was better than Marty Bergen.

It's a shame the Indians can't retire his number. That seems like a fitting and entirely appropriate tribute, but he didn't have a number. I guess I'd like to see them add his name to their wall of retired numbers. Retire his last name.

"Sorry, Aroldis. I know you really want to play for Cleveland, but you can't. We've retired your last name."
   6. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 15, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4639730)
Maybe Mays and Chapman go in together?
   7. Der-K is at full whelm. Posted: January 15, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4639821)
some rotoworld news:
aceves to baltimore on a minor league deal. ($1.2m if in bigs, w/ $1.8m in incentives)
kershaw reportedly signs a 7/$215m extension, including an out clause after yr 5.
hafner takes college coaching job.
coughlan takes a minor league deal with the cubs ($0.8m+0.25 in incentives)
c.manuel takes front office job w/ phils

   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4639824)
WOW!

Aceves could get $1.2 mill?
   9. Willie Horton Hears The Who (Dan Lee) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 05:13 PM (#4639832)
hafner takes college coaching job.
It's a volunteer assistant job at a D2 school in suburban Cleveland. Hafner says he's not retiring and intends to keep playing.

I'd say something snarky about the market for ancient DHs who haven't been useful for years, but, y'know, Giambi.
   10. Der-K is at full whelm. Posted: January 16, 2014 at 09:33 AM (#4640166)
thanks dan.
   11. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 16, 2014 at 09:47 AM (#4640177)
WOW!

Aceves could get $1.2 mill?


Peter Abraham pointed out that the Orioles could probably sell tickets to just watch Buck Showalter manage Aceves. There will be blood.
   12. Der-K is at full whelm. Posted: January 16, 2014 at 09:58 AM (#4640186)
Regarding the excerpt: 1914 was the only year the Browns played at that park - they were in Houston by the following preseason.

Trivia: what was the last major league team to primarily conduct their spring training in a state other than Florida or Arizona? And - who was second to last?
   13. esseff Posted: January 16, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4640340)
Angels in Palm Springs?

Before that, might be someone in Texas or Hot Springs, Ark.
   14. Der-K is at full whelm. Posted: January 16, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4640380)
Angels in Palm Springs lasted through '92, which is amazing.
#2 is a team that also trained off and on California 'til '51, then again in 1966 - that time in Long Beach.
#3, I believe, is the Browns in San Bernadino in 1953 - they went to Yuma when the club shifted to Baltimore.
   15. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 16, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4640383)
#2 - Cubs in Catalina Island in CA?
   16. Der-K is at full whelm. Posted: January 16, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4640393)
Cubs in Long Beach. But, yeah, they hold the whole Wrigley replica on Catalina before that.

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