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Monday, January 20, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-20-2014

New York Sun, January 20, 1914:

Organized baseball has made still another attempt to wreck the Federal League. It was aimed directly at the Chicago team. A strip of land sixteen feet wide and 100 feet long was needed in connection with the lease for the ball park at Addison and Clark streets. Representatives of organized baseball offered the owners $25,000 in cash for the strip, but the majors failed to come through in time with their option to block the Federals.

Man, if that had happened, we wouldn’t have been subjected to the Clark the Cub.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 20, 2014 at 06:43 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, federal league, history, wrigley field

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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 20, 2014 at 06:49 AM (#4642484)
One thing you can say about today's Birthday Team is that it wouldn't be boring. Maybe Joe Dobson can ask his friend Marilyn to drop by.

C: Geovany Soto
1B: Everett Mills
2B: David Eckstein
3B: Ernie Courtney
SS/Manager: Ozzie Guillen
LF: Jimmy Outlaw
CF: Marvin Benard
RF: Brian Giles

SP: Tony Mullane
SP: Camilo Pascual
SP: Joe Dobson
SP: Big Bill James
SP: Julio Santana
RP: Bill Scherrer

Ponch's Partner: John Baker
Poor man's Miguel Dilone: Cecil Espy
Shane Spencer before Shane Spencer was Shane Spencer: Kevin Maas
   2. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4642524)
Tony Mullane's 284 career wins are the second most by a pitcher who was not born in the United States.
   3. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4642599)
Camilo Pascual's 174 wins put him 15th on that list.
   4. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4642603)
I just noticed that Tony Mullane's BB-Ref page lists his birthday as January 30th. Every other source has it as January 20th. Is there a way to point this out to Mr. Forman so he can correct it?
   5. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 20, 2014 at 12:35 PM (#4642606)
I sort of think we'd need a birth certificate to know for sure. Most sources say January 20, BB-Ref says January 30, the Cincinnati Reds Hall of Fame says January 30.

This stuff is public record in Ireland, right? Do we know anybody in County Cork?
   6. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM (#4642609)
FWIW, here's an obit that says he was born February 7.
   7. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4642613)
From the Irish government's website, regarding genealogical research:
[In 1922,] The strong-room of the Public Record Office of Ireland, repository of the vast majority of administrative records of the island of Ireland from the 14th century on, was used as an ammunition store by the anti-Treaty side in the civil war. Hit by a shell fired by the pro-Treaty forces, the munitions exploded and destroyed all of the records. Only those few records in the PRO Reading Room at the start of the conflict survived.

From a genealogical point of view, the most significant losses were:

the surviving 19th century census returns,
about two-thirds of pre-1870 Church of Ireland parish registers
all of the surviving wills probated in Ireland.
Yeek. There might not be a birth record.
   8. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4642614)
Who knows how deep this conspiracy goes?
   9. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 20, 2014 at 12:51 PM (#4642622)
If anybody is still interested in Hall-of-Fame voting, I used data that Ryan Thibbs has collected that identify over half of the ballots cast by BBWAA, and estimated what the 2014 results would have looked like with no ballot cap.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: January 20, 2014 at 01:20 PM (#4642643)
A couple of things Kiko:

What if somebody had nine names other than Bonds and Clemens and decided it was easiest to sacrifice them both? Take away the ballot cap and maybe they both get an extra vote.


That would have been me. If I'd been a BBWAA voter, my final vote would have come down to the Pete Abe type coin flip between Roger and Barry (possibly reversing the vote next year).


There is no reason to think that Purdy, Noble, or other voters like them would have changed either their approach or their final ballot if the ballot cap was eliminated.


I don't know if that's true. You've got two factors that could push these guys:

First, there may be a psychological effect. If you've got a ballot with 10 slots and you only fill out four, that doesn't look that bad. OTOH, if you've got 20 slots (and I support a raised cap, not an unlimited one for just this reason), then four names penciled in looks a lot emptier. It may lead to a few more votes from this cohort.

Second, and this would be more of a temporary thing, if the Hall (or BBWAA) suddenly decides that the ballot cap needs to be lifted, it would be sending a strong message to the Purdys and Nobles that there are more reasonable choices than they have ballot spaces, which could spur action in some cases.

   11. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 20, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4642663)
I don't know if that's true.


Okay, "no reason" is obviously not true, since you just laid out a reason. I'm skeptical about how much difference it would make, though. Supposedly, there was pressure out there this year already for voters to fill their ballots (and lots of voters did just that - whether because of this pressure or because that's what they would have done anyway). So, to some extent, the guys who stubbornly stuck to just listing exactly 3 names are the guys apparently least susceptible to this pressure. Or something like that.
   12. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 20, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4642669)
So, yeah, the 10 non-Americans in the 200-win club:

1. Bert Blyleven, 287 (Netherlands)
2. Fergie Jenkins, 284 (Canada)
2. Tony Mullane, 284 (Ireland)
4. Jim McCormick, 265 (United Kingdom)
5. Jack Quinn, 247 (Slovakia)
6. Dennis Martinez, 245 (Nicaragua)
7. Juan Marichal, 243 (Dominican Republic)
8. Tommy Bond, 234 (Ireland)
9. Luis Tiant, 229 (Cuba)
10. Pedro Martinez, 219 (Dominican Republic)
   13. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 20, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4642676)
Jack Quinn, 247 (Slovakia)
Greatest ballplayer in Slovakian history.
   14. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 20, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4642684)
What is this "Slovakia"? Greatest ballplayer in Austro-Hungarian Empire history.
   15. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 20, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4642687)
The Austro-Hungarian Empire national team is considerably better than the At sea, on the Atlantic Ocean national team.
   16. Moe Greene Posted: January 20, 2014 at 02:17 PM (#4642688)
CC Sabathia is in the best shape of his life. And this time it isn't even a cliche:

Sabathia
   17. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 20, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4642697)
Good lord! His HEAD looks skinny. He looks like he went through the Nate Newton or Al Roker treatment.
   18. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 20, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4642698)
Jack Quinn also has the best origin story of any player in baseball history:

He got his start as a professional in an unusual way. While watching a semi-pro game in Connellsville, the 14-year-old Quinn threw a foul ball back from the stands to the catcher, hitting his mitt right in the middle. The visiting manager, from the nearby town of Dunbar, was impressed by the throw, and he offered Quinn a contract.


Henry Rowengartner got his start the same way.

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