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Wednesday, January 28, 2015

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-28-2015

Toledo News-Bee, January 28, 1915:

Even more dangerous to the life and well being of the national pastime than the Federal, organized baseball and the warring magnates, is the European war. So declares Curtis Guild, former United States minister to Russia. He remarks if trade with the czar’s kingdom is not continued there will be no more baseball. Here’s why, according to Guild: “The only leather which will not stretch under sudden impact comes from the hides of Siberian ponies.”

If you think World War I will mess with baseball, stick around about three years. The Siberian Pony Leather Crisis of 1918 lasted nearly 75 years.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 28, 2015 at 08:07 AM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, history, siberian pony leather

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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 28, 2015 at 08:17 AM (#4888957)
Decent Birthday Team today. If you want, you can move White to center field (he started 31 games in CF), bench Shinjo, and play Lyle Overbay at first. Not that there's a correct answer in the longstanding Overbay/Shinjo argument.

C: Dick Lowe
1B: Bill White
2B: Pete Runnels
3B: Lyn Lary
SS/Manager: George Wright
LF: Jermaine Dye
CF: Tsuyoshi Shinjo
RF: Magglio Ordonez

SP: Bill Doak
SP: Salida Tom Hughes
SP: Bob Muncrief
SP: Emil Yde
SP: Doug Waechter
RP: Joe Beckwith
   2. The District Attorney Posted: January 28, 2015 at 10:15 AM (#4889012)
I hope there was a 1918 version of Ricardo Montelban doing newspaper ads extolling the virtues of "rich Siberian leather."

Bill James on his paysite has a stinging critique of current defensive metrics.
John [Dewan] has shot himself in the foot, in this area, by making one huge mistake. That mistake is his decision to measure everything from zero... The system is not set up to give us information; it is merely set up to give us ONE summation of the data. What data, we don’t really know... RATINGS are not DATA. Ratings are opinions, stated in numbers. Data is facts; ratings are not facts. My Win Shares and Loss Shares. . .those aren’t facts. They’re just opinions, stated as numbers.

What John should have done—just my opinion—is to foster the creation of an organized universe of fielding statistics, such that others could study that data and learn from it... I think John just got ahead of himself. He wanted the answers, and he wanted the answers now. He has created a lot of answers, and he has created a lot of very good answers; I don’t question that there is a great deal of value in it. But ultimately, it isn’t the answers that matter in analysis. What matters is 1) the questions, and 2) the data.
   3. Batman Posted: January 28, 2015 at 10:15 AM (#4889013)
Dye and Ordonez are the poor man's Thomas and Bagwell.
   4. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM (#4889018)

Dye and Ordonez are the poor man's Thomas and Bagwell.

It can't be often that a guy replaced someone born on the exact same day in a team's lineup, as the Sox did going from Ordonez in right to Dye.

   5. JustDan Posted: January 28, 2015 at 12:27 PM (#4889121)
So I was curious about the arbitration hearings and what players haven't come to terms yet. I gleaned the following from MLB trade rumors. The 2nd column is the number of players and the 3rd column is total difference between the player and teams amounts (in millions).

Royals       6  9.1
Orioles      4  7.5
Angels       3  4.75
Reds         2  3.85
Giants       2  2.9
Diamondbacks 2  2.5
Pirates      3  1.95
Athletics    2  1.925
Blue Jays    2  1.875
Mets         2  1.85
Red Sox      2  1.85
Marlins      2  1.245
Cubs         1  1.
Cardinals    1  0.9
Mariners     1  0.8
Braves       1  0.5
Rockies      1  0.5
Yankees      1  0.475
Nationals    1  0.2 
   6. Batman Posted: January 28, 2015 at 02:42 PM (#4889233)
Unless I'm missing one, the $3.4 million difference between Steve Pearce's amount and the Orioles' amount is the biggest difference by over a million. David Freese and Greg Holland are next with $2.35 million.

I remember Carson and/or Letterman making fun of Wade Boggs getting paid the insane amount of $1.35 million after losing his case. Apparently that was 29 years ago. If Boggs had won and been happy, the Red Sox probably would have won one more game that October.
   7. JustDan Posted: January 28, 2015 at 03:04 PM (#4889254)
Yup, I have Pearce as the biggest difference. Here are the top ten differences (player proposal and team proposal). Not sure what to make of this, but the Royals and Orioles have the most players and biggest differences.

Steve Pearce Orioles      $5.400MM  $2.000MM 
David Freese Angels       
$7.600MM  $5.250MM 
Greg Holland Royals       
$9.000MM  $6.650MM 
Aroldis Chapman Reds      
$8.700MM  $6.650MM 
Zach Britton Orioles      
$4.200MM  $2.200MM 
Eric Hosmer Royals        
$6.700MM  $4.600MM 
Todd Frazier Reds         
$5.700MM  $3.900MM 
Mark Trumbo Diamondbacks  
$6.900MM  $5.300MM 
Lorenzo Cain Royals       
$3.600MM  $2.000MM 
Brandon Belt Giants       
$4.500MM  $3.000MM 
   8. bobm Posted: January 28, 2015 at 05:44 PM (#4889398)
Ratings are opinions, stated in numbers. Data is facts; ratings are not facts. My Win Shares and Loss Shares. . .those aren’t facts. They’re just opinions, stated as numbers.

WAR: more like ratings or more like data?
   9. AndrewJ Posted: January 28, 2015 at 08:54 PM (#4889478)
It's a floor wax and a dessert topping!

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