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Thursday, January 30, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-30-2014

Milwaukee Journal, January 30, 1914:

Cleveland pitchers and catchers, who come [to New Orleans] Feb. 4 under the charge of Manager Joe Birmingham, will not stop at any of the Crescent City hotel. And that’s because of the Mardi Gras carnival, which always brings thousands of visitors to this city.
...
In view of the big early demand for rooms none of the hotels would agree to quarter the Nap players unless they were willing to sleep four in a room. Manager Birmingham, of course, would agree to no such procedure, and the Cleveland management has arranged to have the players stop at a private boarding house near Pelican park.

That doesn’t seem terribly well thought-out.

Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: January 30, 2014 at 07:47 AM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: January 30, 2014 at 07:50 AM (#4648480)
A versatile Birthday Team. The left fielder can pitch and the ace pitcher can play left field.

C: Bob Henley
1B: Walt Dropo
2B/Manager: Davey Johnson
3B: Jorge Cantu
SS: Charlie Neal
LF/RP: General Stafford
CF: Vin Campbell
RF: Jeremy Hermida

SP/LF: Tony Mullane
SP: Brooks Lawrence
SP: Mickey Harris
SP: John Patterson
SP: Doc Watson
RP: Joe Kerrigan

Defensive Replacement: Sandy Amoros
Designated Runner: Matt Alexander
Legendary Primate: John Brattain

Best regards,
Dan
   2. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 30, 2014 at 08:21 AM (#4648484)
Somehow, Jeremy Hermida's birthday today is just his 30th; it feels like he's been around forever. Is it just because he was once teammates with Jeff Conine? Who can say for sure.

Over July 14 through July 15 1952, Walt Dropo got 12 consecutive hits, to tie the Major League record.
   3. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: January 30, 2014 at 08:29 AM (#4648485)
The left fielder can pitch and the ace pitcher can play left field.

And with Davey Johnson managing and Mullane being a switch-pitcher, imagine the maneuvering!
   4. BDC Posted: January 30, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4648517)
Come to find that Jorge Cantu hit 31 home runs in the Mexican League last year. Well done! He'll always be a footnote to the Rangers' first pennant.
   5. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 30, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4648591)
Including a reached-on-error, Dropo got on base on 16 straight fair balls.
   6. tfbg9 Posted: January 30, 2014 at 12:41 PM (#4648624)
The Red Sox have had 10 different players with 10.0 or more bWAR seasons: Young, Wood, Ruth, Grove, Ferrell, Williams, Yaz, Rico,
Clemens, and Pedro. Speaker just missed the cut at 9.9 in 1914.

I think this is the most of any team. The Cubs and Giants and A's have 8.
   7. Der-K: Hipster doofus Posted: January 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4648627)
And NYY?
   8. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 30, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4648631)
Jorge Cantu choking down the stretch of the 2008 season (no homers in his final 10 games) prevented the 2008 Florida Marlins from being the first team in history to have all four infielders hit 30 home runs, a feat made all the more impressive by the fact that those infielders were named Mike Jacobs, Dan Uggla, Jorge Cantu, and Hanley Ramirez.

Cantu hit his 29th homer on September 19th, but then finished the season with 33 homerless plate appearances.
   9. Guapo Posted: January 30, 2014 at 12:51 PM (#4648634)
I like the following blurb from Dan's link to the Milwaukee Journal:

ABUSE CONTEST

We are going to give away a beautiful hand painted fancy vest to the one who sends in the meanest squib about the weather man.


If only they had internet commenting back then...
   10. tfbg9 Posted: January 30, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4648659)
And NYY?


Only 5: Chesbro, Russ Ford(?!), Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle. Rickey Henderson had a 9.9 bWAR year for them.
   11. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: January 30, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4648676)
Cantu's 31 Mexican League home runs last year came in 300 at-bats, no less.

I understand why there's no demand for Jorge Cantu, but I'd have to think if a guy in his early 30s, who had never played an inning in the big leagues, hit 31 HR in a half-season in Mexico, somebody would be kicking the tires. There's very little upside there, but he probably wouldn't be the worst backup corner IF in the big leagues.
   12. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 30, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4648677)
I'm showing ten for the Giants:

Bonds, Mays, Hornsby, Jouett Meekin, Rusie, Marichal, Mathewson, McGinnity, Keefe, Mickey Welch .
   13. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: January 30, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4648689)
Russ Ford(?!)
For a couple years, Ford was legitimately great. Walter Johnson/Christy Mathewson great.

Nobody really remembers him because he pitched for some horrible Highlanders teams, then jumped to the Federal League, then his signature pitch (the emery ball) was taken away from him when it was banned in 1915.

In an alternate universe where he pitches for good teams and the emery ball isn't banned, he's got a shot to be a no-questions-asked Hall of Famer.
   14. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 30, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4648703)
Jouett Meekin

Surely you threw that in to see if we were paying attention.

EDIT: According to wikipedia:
His statistics also reflected both his speed and wildness; he ranked third in the league with 137 strikeouts but also finished third with 176 walks. In addition, he led all NL hurlers with 22 wild pitches.[1] Meekin also hit three triples in a game that season, on July 4; this set a record for pitchers that has never been equaled.
Whaddayaknow!
   15. tfbg9 Posted: January 30, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4648713)
@#12: you are correct. The Giants had two 10.0+ bWAR guys in 1894 and 1965, that's what got me. I probably made the same mistake with the Cubs.

edit-it appears I did not.
   16. JJ1986 Posted: January 30, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4648715)
Royals bring back Bruce Chen.
   17. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: January 30, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4648724)
The Cubs have 9, with John Clarkson doing it twice. But only 6 counting only post dead ball pitchers: Alexander, Ellsworth, and Jenkins.
   18. tfbg9 Posted: January 30, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4648817)
@17-9 different guys? Did I screw up again? Ugh.
   19. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 30, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4648819)
14--
Surely you threw that in to see if we were paying attention.

No love for Jouett Meekin here? For shame!
   20. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: January 30, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4648822)
@17-9 different guys? Did I screw up again? Ugh.


Sosa, Banks, Hornsby, Jenkins, Ellsworth, Alexander, Griffith, Hutchinson, and Clarkson twice. Those last 2 guys did so by pitching 500-600 innings from little league distances at a decent, but not earth shattering rate. Griffith was actually quite stellar in 1898.
   21. AndrewJ Posted: January 30, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4648826)
Only six different Phillies -- all pitchers -- have had a 10-WAR season (Charlie Buffinton, G.C. Alexander and Steve Carlton each did it twice, plus Kid Gleason, Charlie Ferguson and Dan Casey). Robin Roberts had 9.8 in 1953. Schmidt had 9.7 in 1974 and almost certainly would have topped 10 in '81 without the strike (he had 7.7 WAR in just 102 games).
   22. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 30, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4648831)
19 --
Thanks to you, I do have Jouett Meein love now!!! He must have been fun to watch, in that early career Randy Johnson kind of way.
   23. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 30, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4648846)
The four Reds' players with 10-WAR seasons are the exact four you'd expect them to be:

Dolf Luque. Billy Rhines. Jose Rijo. And Joe Morgan.
   24. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: January 30, 2014 at 03:59 PM (#4648861)
White Sox have 4, like the Phillies, all pitcher. Ed, Red and Eddie, plus Wilbur. Ed did it 3 times, and Wilbur twice. Rounding out the Sox top 10 seasons are one more each from Ed, Red, and Eddie.

Faber gets a bad rap as a marginal HOFer, but he looks pretty solid. 4,000 IP with an ERA+ of 119 with a nice peak (WAR from 1920-1922 of 26.6). Add in some war credit (missed most of 1918, and took some time to recover and had a lost 1919), and he's well qualified.
   25. BDC Posted: January 30, 2014 at 05:08 PM (#4648927)
The Rangers had only two players who ever had over 8 WAR: AROD in each of his seasons here, and Josh Hamilton in his MVP season. All between 8 and 9. Their highest pitching total is 7.7 (Ferguson Jenkins, 1974 when he won 25 games).
   26. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 30, 2014 at 05:25 PM (#4648935)
Royals bring back Bruce Chen.


He has never had an 8 WAR season in a Royals uniform.
   27. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 30, 2014 at 05:26 PM (#4648936)
I do have Jouett Meein love now!!!
</facepalm> Oy, what love that I can't spell his name right!
   28. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: January 30, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4648951)
The Rangers had only two players who ever had over 8 WAR: AROD in each of his seasons here, and Josh Hamilton in his MVP season. All between 8 and 9. Their highest pitching total is 7.7 (Ferguson Jenkins, 1974 when he won 25 games).


Of the original 16 teams, the Orioles are by far the worst. 1 season by Ripken. The Pirates have 2 seasons by Wagner, and 2 seasons by a guy throwing 500 innings from LL distance, so he doesn't really count. The Dodgers have 2 each from Vance and Koufax.
   29. Flack42 Posted: January 30, 2014 at 05:56 PM (#4648955)
The left fielder can pitch and the ace pitcher can play left field.

And with Davey Johnson managing and Mullane being a switch-pitcher, imagine the maneuvering!


Plus Doc Watson can play both bluegrass guitar and banjo...
   30. JJ1986 Posted: January 30, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4649004)
Without looking, I am almost positive that the Mets only have 2 guys who ever passed 10 WAR. Gooden once, and I don't know how many times Seaver did it.
   31. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 30, 2014 at 07:16 PM (#4649016)
28--
The Pirates have 2 seasons by Wagner, and 2 seasons by a guy throwing 500 innings from LL distance, so he doesn't really count.


Very pedantic, but it's what we do:

Pink Hawley (who?) had a 10.9 WAR season for the Pirates in 1895, pitching from 60'6''. 444 innings with an ERA+ of 143, combined with a .308/.326/.497 line in 193 plate appearances as a hitter. His 5 homers were the second most on the team, as was the .497 slugging percentage.
   32. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: January 30, 2014 at 07:19 PM (#4649018)
Pink Hawley (who?) had a 10.9 WAR season for the Pirates in 1895, pitching from 60'6''.


According to BBREF it was 9.8. Ah, but he added 1.0 batting war (91% of his career total) as well. OK. I'll take a mulligan on that one.
   33. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 30, 2014 at 07:47 PM (#4649036)
32--

Then for some reason BB-Ref's 1895 National League leaders page puts him in second place with 10.9 (which is where my number came from).

I can only conclude the additional 0.1 WAR comes from his positive clubhouse presence.

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