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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-31-2014

New York Evening World, January 31, 1914:

Fred Clarke, Pittsburgh manager, who patented a diamond tarpaulin a few years ago, has a new idea. It’s a warming-up bat.

Clarke’s new bat will be about the same length as the regulation war club, but it will be about three times as thick and three times as heavy. It’s designed to do away with the necessity of a player swinging two, three or four ordinary bats just before it’s his turn to face the pitcher.

A fine idea, though (much to Vince Coleman’s dismay) less successful than the roll-up baseball diamond tarp.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 06:18 AM | 57 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 06:20 AM (#4649151)
Also in the news 100 years ago today, the Red Sox have decided they want to develop young players, a wildly successful plan that reaches its peak in July 1914.

Elsewhere, Hugh Fullerton writes a really bizarre column comparing the mortality rates and causes of death of baseball's drinkers to non-drinkers, and Eddie Collins played ball in Lake Placid in below-zero temperatures, surrounded by ice and snow drifts. I have no idea why Collins did this, and it looks like nobody bothered to ask.
   2. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 06:20 AM (#4649152)
This is a spectacular Birthday Team.

C: Pinky Hargrave
1B: Tioga George Burns
2B: Jackie Robinson
3B/Manager: Death To Flying Things Ferguson
SS: Ernie Banks
LF: Mel Mazzera
CF: Tim Hendryx
RF: Tex McDonald

SP: Nolan Ryan
SP: Hank Aguirre
SP: Josh Johnson
SP: Duke Maas
SP: Charlie Robertson
RP: Ted Power

Pitching Coach: Bob Apodaca
Just Awful: Yuniesky Betancourt
Odd Name: Jot Goar
   3. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 31, 2014 at 07:41 AM (#4649157)
The Jeopardy question is, "Who is Ted Power?"
   4. AndrewJ Posted: January 31, 2014 at 08:11 AM (#4649162)
The best double-play combo on any of the Birthday Teams, and that pitching staff has amassed eight no-hitters (one a perfect game).
   5. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 08:11 AM (#4649163)
I just found out that this guy is the current Cleveland Indian who's been in the organization the longest. Mind blown.
   6. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 08:47 AM (#4649176)
I just found out that this guy is the current Cleveland Indian who's been in the organization the longest.


Are you sure? BBREF doesn't show him playing anywhere, majors or minors, in 2013.
   7. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 08:51 AM (#4649177)
He had Tommy John surgery and has signed a major league contract for 2014.
   8. BDC Posted: January 31, 2014 at 09:01 AM (#4649179)
A few months longer than Asdrubal Cabrera, then? Cabrera's been on their ML roster longest, I would imagine.
   9. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 09:20 AM (#4649183)
Herrmann signed (as an undrafted free agent, no less) in August '05 and Droobs was acquired in the Eduardo Perez trade in June '06.

And, yep, Cabrera has been on the MLB roster the longest. The only other guys currently on the 40-man who were in the organization when Cabrera made his debut were Herrmann, Josh Tomlin, Vinnie Pestano, and Danny Salazar.
   10. Jose Canusee Posted: January 31, 2014 at 09:37 AM (#4649185)
According to BB-Ref, Elston Howard invented the bat donut. Maybe the bat cronut is still a possibility?
   11. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 31, 2014 at 09:38 AM (#4649186)
I think Altuve has been in the Astros organization the longest (2007). It was Brandon Barnes (2005), but they traded him in the Dexter Fowler deal.
   12. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 09:57 AM (#4649200)
I didn't know that Burns won an "MVP" - what a terrible choice.
Anyway, good team indeed.

   13. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM (#4649207)
I didn't know that Burns won an "MVP" - what a terrible choice.
You're telling me. I looked at his 1926 line, saw that he hit .358 with 216 hits and 64 doubles, and thought "Oh, c'mon, it isn't that bad a choice."

And then I remembered Babe Ruth. .372/.516/.737 with 47 home runs. (Lazzeri was second in the league. With 19 HR.)
   14. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4649210)
You're telling me. I looked at his 1926 line, saw that he hit .358 with 216 hits and 64 doubles, and thought "Oh, c'mon, it isn't that bad a choice."

And then I remembered Babe Ruth. .372/.516/.737 with 47 home runs. (Lazzeri was second in the league. With 19 HR.)


Wasn't the deal then that you could only win once, and Ruth had already won one?
   15. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:24 AM (#4649211)
You're telling me. I looked at his 1926 line, saw that he hit .358 with 216 hits and 64 doubles, and thought "Oh, c'mon, it isn't that bad a choice."

And then I remembered Babe Ruth. .372/.516/.737 with 47 home runs. (Lazzer
   16. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:26 AM (#4649213)
You're telling me. I looked at his 1926 line, saw that he hit .358 with 216 hits and 64 doubles, and thought "Oh, c'mon, it isn't that bad a choice."

And then I remembered Babe Ruth. .372/.516/.737 with 47 home runs. (Lazzeri was second in the league. With 19 HR.)


Ruth was ineligible. Also look at 1928:

Ruth - .323/54/142
Gehrig - .374/27/142 3rd in BA, 2nd in HR
Cochrane (winner) .293/10/57

OK, Cochrane was a catcher, but still. WAR:

Ruth - 10.1
Gehrig - 9.4
Cochrane - 4.0

Gehrig was also ineligible in 1928.
   17. Tom T Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4649216)
Wasn't the deal then that you could only win once, and Ruth had already won one?


I believe so --- nobody who won during that early time period received votes in subsequent elections until the '31 votes.

I would assume that in '26 Gehrig was considered an inappropriate selection by the electorate, because...well...Ruth. Still, Goose Goslin had a heck of a season.
   18. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4649217)
Wasn't the deal then that you could only win once, and Ruth had already won one?
That appears to be the case. Ruth won in 1923 and didn't get a single vote again until 1931.

Even with Ruth ineligible, it was a fairly bad choice, though defensible given the time. 64 doubles is a metric crapload, the Indians nearly won the pennant, and Burns led the league in hits while hitting .358.

OTOH, he was 12th in the AL in WAR, behind Ruth, Gehrig, Goslin, Mostil, Joe Sewell, Bibb Falk, Speaker, Heilmann, Willie Kamm, Manush, and Simmons.
   19. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:48 AM (#4649222)
why was Burns called "Tioga George"?--he was born in Niles, OH and went to high school in Philadelphia
   20. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4649223)
I think they changed the rule on voting in '31.
Alternately - what Dan said in #18. Cleveland wasn't very good in '25 - I guess Burns got credit for being the best player on the surprise team. (Which he wasn't - they had Uhle, Sewell, and Speaker.)

Still (depending on how we define value), Hargrave is an average or slightly better player, Burns is a good starter, Ferguson is somewhere between those two points due to his glove. Even the obscure outfielders were productive during their short careers.
   21. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4649228)
why was Burns called "Tioga George"?--he was born in Niles, OH and went to high school in Philadelphia
In between, he lived in Tioga, PA. From what I can tell, it was something writers called him to distiguish him from the George Burns who played for the Giants at the same time, as opposed to an honest-to-gosh nickname.

Pretty much the same thing happened with Salida Tom Hughes and Long Tom Hughes, who pitched concurrently and needed to be distinguished from each other.
   22. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4649230)
And Big Bill James and Seattle Bill James.
   23. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 31, 2014 at 10:59 AM (#4649232)
Wilson Betimet to the Rays

Manny Corpas to the Rockies
   24. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4649235)
One more note on Tioga: his bb-ref entry has errors - he couldn't have managed in the minors the next year while also still playing in the bigs.
   25. BDC Posted: January 31, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4649237)
something writers called him to distiguish him from the George Burns who played for the Giants

Like the way I used to refer to the one guy as "Snohomish Alex Gonzalez." Never caught on because I could never remember which one I called that.
   26. salvomania Posted: January 31, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4649239)
I didn't know that Burns won an "MVP" - what a terrible choice.

You should check out the NL MVP that year---catcher Bob O'Farrell of the Cardinals, who hit .293/.371/.433 in 567 PA, good for 3.6 WAR, third on his own team.
   27. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4649254)
You should check out the NL MVP that year---catcher Bob O'Farrell of the Cardinals, who hit .293/.371/.433 in 567 PA, good for 3.6 WAR, third on his own team.


The NL didn't have the no-repeat winners rule. Hornsby won in 1925 and 1929 (award started in 1924). But in 1926 Rajah had his worst full season of his career. The field was fairly weak. The top 2 in WAR were pitchers, the #1 guy from the last place team. The other took 3rd. The best hitters were Waner and Wilson, and neither did anything earth shattering.

As an aside, the 3rd place pitcher I mentioned was Ray Kremer from the Pirates. Might be the best player I had never heard of. Came to the Pirates at age 31 after a long and successful PCL career, and pitched 10 years (8 full) and won 143 games, won 2 ERA titles, and amassed 25 WAR. There was talk about the best old pitchers in the Johnson thread, and while far from the best, Kremer was a pretty good one. A worthy member of the All Time career Pirate rotation. Maybe the ace of the staff.
   28. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 11:36 AM (#4649261)
The fourth-place finisher in NL MVP voting in '26 was utterly inexplicable to me. Tommy Thevenow hit .256/.291/.311 (59 OPS+). Surely he stole a bunch of bases, right? No, he stole 8.

He was a very good defensive shortstop, from what I can tell, but that just makes him Adam Everett. The '26 Cardinals won the pennant, but Thevenow was nowhere near the top five players on that team.
   29. just plain joe Posted: January 31, 2014 at 11:48 AM (#4649270)
The fourth-place finisher in NL MVP voting in '26 was utterly inexplicable to me. Tommy Thevenow hit .256/.291/.311 (59 OPS+). Surely he stole a bunch of bases, right? No, he stole 8.

He was a very good defensive shortstop, from what I can tell, but that just makes him Adam Everett. The '26 Cardinals won the pennant, but Thevenow was nowhere near the top five players on that team.


Demonstrates that illogical choices by sportswriters is not a new phenomonon.
   30. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: January 31, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4649273)
The Jeopardy question is, "Who is Ted Power?"


He's the man with the name you'd love to touch.
   31. Sweatpants Posted: January 31, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4649275)
The fourth-place finisher in NL MVP voting in '26 was utterly inexplicable to me. Tommy Thevenow hit .256/.291/.311 (59 OPS+). Surely he stole a bunch of bases, right? No, he stole 8.

He was a very good defensive shortstop, from what I can tell, but that just makes him Adam Everett. The '26 Cardinals won the pennant, but Thevenow was nowhere near the top five players on that team.
They were probably rewarding his big power surge that year. He hit two homers in the regular season and one in the World Series. The rest of his career - nothing.

His three homers were all inside-the-park, too.
   32. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:02 PM (#4649276)
Ted Power was one of the first trades I was aware of when I became a baseball fan. The Royals shipped him to Detroit for catcher Rey Palacios in 1988. I always though Palacious was some scrub (and he was with the Royasl), but I recently came across an archived Baseball America, and it showed Palacios as the #1 Tigers prospect in 1987.

The #2 prospect was a pitcher named John Smoltz.
   33. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM (#4649278)
I always though Palacious was some scrub
Seems like the Royals would, by necessity, have something palacious.
   34. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4649279)
The voters weren't very sophisitmacated back then. If they had a Ruth, Gehrig, or Hornsby to vote for, fine. Otherwise it seemed to be a toss up. See Jim Bottomly, Roger Peckinpaugh, Mickey Cochrane. OK, Cochrane is somewhat defensible given Ruth and Gehrig weren't eligible. Maybe that's why the AL abandoned the vote after 1928. If you can't vote for either of the two most obvious best players, the award becomes a farce.

So, Peckinpaugh. OK, his team won the pennant. His teammate Goose Goslin (.334/18/113, led the league in triples) didn't get a vote (Goslin didn't get a vote in 1924 either, when he led the league in RBI. That's just amazing given the overwhelming propensity to award the MVP to the league RBI leader if he's on a pennant winner). Sam Rice who batted .350 didn't get a vote. But 2 Senators did: the SS who hit .294, and the 3B who hit .287. Plus the pitcher who went 20-5 but not the more famous one who went 20-7 and hit .433. Johnson didn't get a vote, but Herb Pennock (16-17) got a few, as did Howard Ehmke (9-20).

I know they didn't have WAR back then, but it's amusing that of the top 10 players in the league in WAR, 7 didn't get votes.
   35. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4649307)
In between, he lived in Tioga, PA.

There is a Tioga neighborhood in Philly too, which would have been a vibrant manufacturing/residential area pre-WWII.
   36. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4649317)
more minor league deals
bal - alex gonzalez ("sea bass" - he had an ops+ of 18 last year)
mia - reed johnson
cin - roger bernadina
   37. flournoy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4649348)
Bad news: Yahoo Sports Canada has changed over to the horrific new layout, so those of us who used it last year after the Yahoo Sports US went under are out of luck.

I always though Palacious was some scrub


I thought he was some crumb.
   38. JJ1986 Posted: January 31, 2014 at 01:39 PM (#4649361)
Minor league deals:

Colorado: Niuman Romero
Miami: Josh Rodriguez
Minnesota: Daniel Turpen (re-sign)
Tampa Bay: Juan Sandoval (re-sign)
   39. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 31, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4649381)
Wow--0 for 4 on those guys. That's not like me!
   40. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4649392)
Turpen was a guy talked about for the Rule 5 a year ago.

Niuman was with Cleveland, and I remember him because I imagine him as a Latino guy that looks like Newman on Seinfeld.

The other two I've never heard of and frankly, I believe they are computer-generated names.
   41. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4649397)
Is this the Josh Rodriguez the former Rule 5 infielder? Decent bat going into his selection, but tanked - now a solid org guy utilityman. Probably the best known of the four, though - right?
Sandoval played part of the year in my home city last season and spent a lot of the year as a AA closer, but is just a guy.

Cubs get Jason Hammel.
   42. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4649399)
If Juan Sandoval is a RHP who can't strike anyone out but CAN work as both a starter or a reliever, I seem to recall picking him up in a few OOTP sims, mostly because he was less terrible than any of the relievers who actually played for the real-life Twins.

When I managed the 2013 season, he basically had the role that Anthony Swarzak would occupy in the (real) 2013 season: Whenever our starter got knocked out early, Swarzak would come in and pitch 3-4 low leverage mop-up innings.
   43. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4649401)
Jason Hammel to the Cubs. Can't say Thed didn't make any big moves this winter.
   44. JJ1986 Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4649402)
Is this the Josh Rodriguez the former Rule 5 infielder?


I assume so. These are from the MLB transactions wire.
   45. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4649409)
Let me note: I really, really appreciate that there is a place I can go and people know who Daniel Turpen is (or expect that they should know) and understand that that doesn't matter for the same reasons that I do.
Thanks guys...
   46. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4649415)
Niuman was with Cleveland, and I remember him because I imagine him as a Latino guy that looks like Newman on Seinfeld.

So he looks like Jose Mijares.
   47. Good cripple hitter Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:32 PM (#4649422)
Elsewhere, Hugh Fullerton writes a really bizarre column comparing the mortality rates and causes of death of baseball's drinkers to non-drinkers, and Eddie Collins played ball in Lake Placid in below-zero temperatures, surrounded by ice and snow drifts. I have no idea why Collins did this, and it looks like nobody bothered to ask.


If we used avatars here, I'd clip that editorial cartoon of a flask that's helpfully been labelled "BOOZE" calling a sliding souse out at a base and use it. It's fantastic and it foretold the end to the 26 World Series.

That Eddie Collins story is also bizarre. I expected some details, but as you said it's just "Collins has been bragging about playing baseball in a snowbank" without any added commentary.
   48. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4649426)
46: Heh. Romero's actually kinda lanky.
Though I do like the idea of Mijares playing shortstop.
   49. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 31, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4649493)
Davis Cup currently being played at Petco Park. Red clay court running parallel to the wall in left, with temporary stands wrapping around the other three sides.
   50. BDC Posted: January 31, 2014 at 04:15 PM (#4649517)
there is a place I can go and people know who Daniel Turpen is

He was the notorious highwayman Dick Turpen's less-competent brother.
   51. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 31, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4649547)
James McDonald to the Cubs
Rich Hill to the Red Sox
   52. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4649548)
He helped make an assize out of Dick and he?
Eh, sorry.
   53. puck Posted: February 02, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4650090)
Just saw the Baltimore Sun story saying that Manny Machado was cleared for "some baseball activities" but they are not putting a timetable (such as Opening Day) on his return to baseball. He had surgery, and doctors think he has a vulnerability to the type of injury due to his stride so he will train to try to change his running style.

That differs quite a bit from the news back in September (quoting from the thread which was quoting an ESPN story):

BALTIMORE -- The Baltimore Orioles and Manny Machado couldn't have asked for a much better diagnosis on his injured left knee: The third baseman avoided tearing any major ligaments and could be running in six to eight weeks without surgery.

An MRI on Tuesday revealed Machado has a torn medial patellofemoral ligament. He will rest the knee until the swelling subsides and then go through a light rehabilitative program.



   54. spike Posted: February 02, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4650107)
   55. JustDan Posted: February 02, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4650111)
I just saw that too. Maybe it was the fentanyl laced kind that has been causing many deaths lately?
   56. bobm Posted: February 02, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4650112)
   57. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 02, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4650118)
Ugh, that's just awful news.

I mean, we already get him on Yankees broadcasts, but the Kitten Bowl too?

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