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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-5-2018

Topeka State Journal, January 5, 1918:

The Boston Braves were reported to have had a generous slice of that Weeghman bank roll today. It is said to have figured in the deal whereby Larry Doyle and Art Wilson of the Cubs went to the Braves in exchange for George Tyler.

The Braves were reported to have received $15,000 along with the players. This trade was kind of a big deal - the Cubs sent the 1915 NL batting champ, a decent catcher, and a truckload of cash to Boston in exchange for a good but not great starting pitcher.

Meanwhile, Cubs owner Charles Weeghman was still making noise about trying to acquire Rogers Hornsby from the Cardinals so Branch Rickey set his price: Grover Cleveland Alexander, Hippo Vaughn, and $100,000. “Sure, Charlie, you can have Hornsby if you give me the two best starting pitchers in the league and twice what you paid for Alexander.” I can imagine Rickey’s mischievous grin after he went public with the price.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 05, 2018 at 11:00 AM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 05, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5601335)
A heck of a Birthday Team today. Everybody in the starting lineup, all five starting pitchers, and the relief ace all had 10+ career WAR.

C: Earl Battey (18.74 WAR)
1B/SP: Bob Caruthers (60.59 WAR)
2B: Jim Gantner (22.33 WAR)
3B: Bill Dahlen (75.24 WAR)
SS: Art Fletcher (46.97 WAR)
LF: Riggs Stephenson (32.09 WAR)
CF: Benny Kauff (28.99 WAR)
RF: Milt Thompson (18.66 WAR)

SP: Charlie Hough (39.47 WAR)
SP: Danny Jackson (17.33 WAR)
SP: 1910s Red Sox Rube Foster (12.2 WAR)
SP: Jack Kramer (10.94 WAR)
RP: Jeff Fassero (24.12 WAR)

Manager: Luke Sewell
League President: Ban Johnson
1B when Parisian Bob pitches: Ron Kittle (4.7 WAR)
Ballplayer or cartoon character?: Wally Wolf
Finder of amphibians: Newt Hunter
Fun name: Zaza Harvey
Inexplicable 2006 All-Star: Mark Redman (9.49 WAR)
Not that one: Tom Kelley
Twin brothers: Damon Minor (0.14 WAR)
Twin brothers: Ryan Minor (-2.43 WAR)
User of Q-tips: Henry Cotto
Umpire: Brian Runge
   2. Itchy Row Posted: January 05, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5601381)
It has to be quite a team if four All Stars (Sewell, Kittle, the inexplicable Redman, and Jose Iglesias) don't really make the team.
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: January 05, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5601387)
I'm surprised Danny Jackson only finished with 17.3 WAR. Looking at his record, he had some seriously crappy campaigns (four years of being a full win below replacement level) to offset five legitimately good seasons.

   4. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 05, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5601483)
Zaza Harvey is one of those players who seems as if he could have been a classic "what if". He came up as pitcher in 1900 at age 21. The next season, he was a very average pitcher for the White Sox when they sent him to Cleveland in August, who never pitched him, but used him as an outfielder. He hit .353 in 45 games with Cleveland, then hit .348 in 16 games at the beginning of 1902. He then told the team he had been battling a stomach illness that gave him severe pain, and that he had tried to play with it but couldn't do it. He took some time off, and eventually went home to California. Sixteen months later, a piece appeared in the Cleveland paper stating that his illness was still preventing him from playing baseball. He never played professionally again, although he lived until 1954, passing away at the age of 75. It's a small sample size, I know, but his lifetime batting average in 259 AB was .332, and his average for Cleveland after becoming a full-time outfielder was .352. He played his last game at age 23. I think it's pretty clear that if he had been healthy, he had a chance to become a star.
   5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 05, 2018 at 02:43 PM (#5601495)
Deleted. Duplicate.
   6. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 05, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5601496)
That's interesting, Vortex. A quick and cursory googling turned up an article in the Saturday Evening Post saying he'd become a noted entomologist.

I wonder whether he and Mike Maksudian would have been friends, enemies, or frenemies.
   7. VCar Posted: January 05, 2018 at 03:15 PM (#5601524)
Ryan Minor's baseball career is best known for 1 thing -- he took Ripken's place at 3B the night Cal decided to end the streak. But his basketball career but much better. Looked him up and was surprised to see he's a mgr for 1 of the O's minor league teams now.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: January 05, 2018 at 04:37 PM (#5601617)
The story was that, told he would be starting that night, Minor asked "have you told Cal yet?" (Probably apocryphal but cute.)

Larry Doyle was a player I somehow went many post-BR/primer years not knowing about. A 2B with 45 WAR, 22 WAA and the equivalent of a MVP in 1912. Also interesting is that he had 7.3 WAR for ages 32-33 ... then that was it. His SABR bio doesn't explain why his career ended early although he had a series of injuries over the years, including some from crashing the car he won as MVP. According to the SABR bio he wasn't much defensively (TZ thinks he was OK) but in overall production terms, he was basically Lou Whitaker (if he retired at 34) ... or the current version of Daniel Murphy.
   9. Itchy Row Posted: January 05, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5601627)
Wikipedia says Doyle "was granted his release so he could manage the Toronto Maple Leafs of the International League." He managed Toronto for a year and then Nashville for a year and I guess that was it for his managing career.

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