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Tuesday, January 07, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-7-2014

Pittsburgh Press, January 7, 1913:

[If] Joe Tinker sticks to the Federal League, despite threatened court proceedings by the Brooklyn club, there will be a fine old row over the possession of the $15,000 certified check which C.H. Ebbetts [sic] recently handed over to [Reds President] Garry Herrmann…Vice President Edward J. McKeever of the Brooklyn club says the Cincinnati club must return the check if Tinker fails to report to Brooklyn…

Herrmann already has taken a different view of the matter. He has been quoted as saying that the Cincinnati club will not return the money inasmuch as the Brooklyn club had a fair chance to sign Tinker, but allowed the player to get away.

Tinker did end up in the Federal League, but I’m not sure what happened to the $15,000.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 07, 2014 at 08:45 AM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 07, 2014 at 08:47 AM (#4632075)
Pretty good Birthday Team, though that outfield is awful defensively. Ridiculously deep bullpen.

And...Obligatory Grimsley photo.

C: Al Todd
1B: Johnny Mize
2B: Jim Lefebvre
3B: Edwin Encarnacion
SS/Manager: Al Dark
LF: Kevin Mench
CF: Alfonso Soriano
RF: Tony Conigliaro

SP: Ross Grimsley
SP: Jon Lester
SP: Allan Anderson
SP: Dad Clarke
SP: Jim Hannan
RP: Jeff Montgomery
RP: Francisco Rodriguez
RP: Eric Gagne
   2. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 07, 2014 at 09:11 AM (#4632083)
Francouer signs a minor league deal with the Indians.
   3. Chris Fluit Posted: January 07, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4632086)
The outfield is awful? You've also got E-5 playing third.
   4. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 07, 2014 at 09:36 AM (#4632089)
Francouer signs a minor league deal with the Indians.
Delta has plenty of flights in and out of Columbus.
   5. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 07, 2014 at 10:05 AM (#4632098)
Francouer signs a minor league deal with the Indians.


Ryan Raburn is the only right-handed OF bat on the Indians' 40-man, so I'd expect Francoeur has a good chance to stick.

-- MWE
   6. Davo Dozier Posted: January 07, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4632112)
Kevin Mench homered in 7 consecutive games in 2006, one shy of the Major League record (held by Dale Long, Don Mattingly, and Ken Griffey Jr.)

He is also one of ~49 players to hit at least 11 homers in the first 50 games of his career. It's an...odd list, to say the least.
   7. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 07, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4632115)
Kevin Mench also has the biggest hat size in MLB history, IIRC. He is from my hometown, and approximately my age. I'd like to say I played Little League against him but I was in the shitty league they put all the kids who couldn't make any of the teams.
   8. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: January 07, 2014 at 10:42 AM (#4632119)
I was a big fan of Mench coming out of the draft - *dominated* people at Delaware.
   9. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 07, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4632170)
I'd expect Francoeur has a good chance to stick.
Argh. So if Giambi and Frenchy are on the 25-man, the bench will be, what, Aviles-Raburn-Giambi-Francoeur?

That seems like one too few guys who can play in the infield, assuming you don't want Ryan Raburn playing 2B/3B. Do they dare go with *gasp* six relief pitchers and keep David Adams around?

A fascinating story line that will have threes of Clevelanders on the edge of their seats throughout March: They probably have to cut two of Marc Rzepczynski, Jeff Francoeur, Jason Giambi, David Adams, David Cooper, Josh Outman, or Josh Tomlin.
   10. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 07, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4632181)
That seems like one too few guys who can play in the infield, assuming you don't want Ryan Raburn playing 2B/3B.


I think it's going to depend on whether or not the Carlos Santana/3B experiment becomes a reality.

-- MWE
   11. bobm Posted: January 07, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4632196)
Tinker did end up in the Federal League, but I’m not sure what happened to the $15,000.


Page 30 of "The Federal League of Base Ball Clubs: The History of an Outlaw Major League, 1914-1915" by Robert Peyton Wiggins sats Cincinnati kept the money and sent a few "insignificant" players to Brooklyn instead. It's not clear who.
   12. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 07, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4632207)
Anybody have an e-mail address or other means of contacting Clay Davenport? I'm finding heaps of 404 errors on his site that I'd like to alert him to, but it seems like he shut down his comment system since I last left one.
   13. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 07, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4632225)
It's an...odd list, to say the least.


Garrett Jones did little in 31 games with the Twins in 1970, but hit 15 in his first 50 with the Pirates in 2009, at age 28.
   14. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 07, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4632237)
He is also one of ~49 players to hit at least 11 homers in the first 50 games of his career. It's an...odd list, to say the least.


Yes, but it links the birthday team and the Indians' minor league deal. It's always nice when the Dugouts threads tie together.

   15. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 07, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4632252)
Cincinnati kept the money and sent a few "insignificant" players to Brooklyn instead. It's not clear who.
Thanks, Bob. I'll keep an eye out for it in the newspapers.
   16. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 07, 2014 at 01:15 PM (#4632262)
He is also one of ~49 players to hit at least 11 homers in the first 50 games of his career.
Evan Gattis became the 50th.
   17. esseff Posted: January 07, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4632269)
Thanks, Bob. I'll keep an eye out for it in the newspapers.


You may be looking for a while. According to Harold Seymour in "Baseball: The Golden Age" it was "not until a year later" that Herrmann and Ebbets settled the matter in private. No mention of what that settlement was. He does add that Tinker walked away from a $10,000 bonus from the Dodgers when he jumped to the Feds.
   18. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 07, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4632271)
Thanks, esseff. I won't waste my time looking for it in the newspapers.
   19. JJ1986 Posted: January 07, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4632291)
If Santana plays some 3B, would that mean he's done behind the plate? It would seem unusual to have him start at DH against RHP, 3B against LHP and also serve as the backup catcher.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 07, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4632306)
Minor league deals aside from Frenchy:

KCR - C Ramon Hernandez
LAA - P Justin Thomas
PIT - IF Robert Andino
   21. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 07, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4632319)
As of this moment, it appears that the Indians are full speed ahead with Santana as a part-time catcher. He and Gomes are the only two catchers on the 40-man, and Matt Treanor is currently the only NRI catcher coming to camp.

I guess Treanor could make the roster, but then you've got Aviles, Raburn, Giambi, Francoeur, David Cooper, and David Adams fighting for three bench jobs. My gut reaction is that the Indians are much more likely to have Santana catch 40 games than they are to carry Treanor instead of Giambi.

Personally, I think Giambi is an utter waste of a roster spot and puts the Indians in a position where they have a de facto 24-man roster, but they seem committed to having him around.
   22. Davo Dozier Posted: January 07, 2014 at 02:07 PM (#4632325)
#20-- Thanks for the Robert Andino update!
   23. JJ1986 Posted: January 07, 2014 at 02:22 PM (#4632357)
With the Indians positional flexibility, they could have their right-handed-halves of platoons play almost anywhere. Kipnis is going to play against everyone, so they need a 3B (Santana or Aviles or Adams), an OF (and presumably Raburn is going to make the roster whatever happens) and then one C or 1B or DH or LF or RF (or Brantley could play every day although I think that's a bad idea).
   24. Davo Dozier Posted: January 07, 2014 at 02:33 PM (#4632369)
With Andino going to Pittsburgh, I took a closer look at their team--are they still running an offense/defense platoon at shortstop next year (between Mercer and Barmes)?
   25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 07, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4632479)
Xavier Nady to the Padres on a minor league deal

Rays claim P Pedro Figueroa and DFA OF Jerry Sands
   26. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 07, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4632556)
Rays claim P Pedro Figueroa and DFA OF Jerry Sands


That was quick; they just claimed Sands two weeks ago.

-- MWE
   27. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: January 07, 2014 at 04:55 PM (#4632573)
I'm not shocked - if he got that far in the waiver order, they might be able to keep him via outright.
   28. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 07, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4632586)
With Andino going to Pittsburgh, I took a closer look at their team--are they still running an offense/defense platoon at shortstop next year (between Mercer and Barmes)?


Supposedly the job is Mercer's, with Barmes a pure backup. Andino's probably depth at Indianapolis; the Pirates have a history of signing guys like this.

-- MWE
   29. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: January 07, 2014 at 05:15 PM (#4632596)
Concur.
   30. Davo Dozier Posted: January 07, 2014 at 07:52 PM (#4632779)
Thanks. Yeah, it looks like Andino is never going to pan out the way I hoped he would; it's a shame, he was a fun guy to root for.

He'll at least get a tiny tiny tiny mention in baseball history for his role in Boston's choke job in 2011. He got the game-winning hit against Papelbon in Game 162 (and had 9 total RBI in their final 7 games against the Red Sox in the last two weeks of September that year, including 2 homers and 3 steals--the Orioles won 5 of 7.)
   31. Davo Dozier Posted: January 07, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4632788)
The Indians are "interested" in Bobby Abreu.

I just really hope both Abreu and Giambi get a plate appearance for the Indians next year--they are #1 and #2 on MLB's active leaders in career walks.
   32. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: January 07, 2014 at 09:29 PM (#4632844)
Bobby Abreu didn't play in the majors or minors last year, but is trying to come back in his age-40 year. Scott Podsednik also wants to give it a shot after taking a mulligan on 2013.
   33. Davo Dozier Posted: January 07, 2014 at 09:56 PM (#4632858)
What's strange about that is that both Abreu and Podsednik were somewhat useful in their 2012 seasons. Not very useful, mind you, but certainly worth a roster spot. (Abreu had a .350 OBP; Pods hit .300)
   34. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 10:08 AM (#4633092)
Bobby Abreu didn't play in the majors or minors last year, but is trying to come back in his age-40 year. Scott Podsednik also wants to give it a shot after taking a mulligan on 2013.


40 year old Brett Tomko is drawing interest after magically throwing in the mid 90s this winter. He spent all of last year with York in the Indy Leagues. He hasn't pitched in the minors since 2012, in the Majors since 2011.
   35. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 08, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4633116)
I'm absolutely not, in any way, accusing Tomko of doing anything illegal or immoral. This is merely a hypothetical: If someone happened to be a washed-up former MLB pitcher, and if that person could use a substance that would result in both a seven-figure contract and a 50-game suspension, that person would do so, right?

That seems like a pretty huge flaw in the system. I don't know if there's anything that can be done to prevent players from juicing for one final contract at the end of their career, and - I repeat - I'm not accusing Tomko. It just came to mind as I thought about players trying to come back after time away.
   36. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: January 08, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4633183)
What do you recommend?
   37. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 08, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4633254)
I don't know. Maybe a substantial fine to the team that employs a player who tests positive? I'm just thinking out loud here - for all I know, this isn't actually a problem and is just a goofy thought experiment.
   38. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4633285)
Is my flaming catapult into a vat of hungry sharks idea still on the table?
   39. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: January 08, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4633291)
Flaming catapults are always on the table.

To be clear, Dan - I don't have strong a priori thoughts here. The question, imo, is important - if for no other reason than that we need to think through how we hold teams accountable wrt issue.

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