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Wednesday, January 09, 2019

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-9-2019

Washington Times, January 9, 1919:

Relatives of Christy Mathewson…believe that the Cincinnati manager will not return from France in time to take up his duties next spring. He is a gas officer with the Twenty-eighth Pennsylvania division, and is now at Hendticourt, France, sixty miles from Metz.

Not close enough to meet the Metz, it seems. He’d have been recovering from his mustard gas accident at this point, and it’s interesting that the papers still don’t know it had happened.

Elsewhere in the news 100 years ago today, newspapers report on the passing of Hall of Fame outfielder/catcher Orator O’Rourke. Presumably, they knew he was gone because he stopped talking. O’Rourke was a fantastic player - played every position on the field, won a batting championship, led the league in home runs three times, and had an OPS+ over 100 for twenty consecutive seasons. He somehow might have been better at flowery speech than he was at baseball, judging by his famous response to a player who asked him for an advance on his salary:

“The exigencies of the occasion and the condition of our exchequer will not permit anything of that sort at this period of our existence. Subsequent developments in the field of finance may remove the present gloom and we may emerge into a condition where we may see our way clear to reply in the affirmative to your exceedingly modest request.”

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:07 AM | 36 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5803616)
A bad Birthday Team today. Otis Nixon, Stan Javier, and Ivan de Jesus are the big bats. Frank Olin is an interesting guy, a far better businessman than a baseball player.

C: Jack Bliss (2.5 WAR)
1B: Stan Javier (25.4 WAR)
2B: Frank Olin (0.6 WAR)
3B: Phil Mankowski (0.9 WAR)
SS: Ivan de Jesus (11.0 WAR)
LF: Brandon Boggs (0.1 WAR)
CF: Otis Nixon (16.6 WAR)
RF: Joe Wallis (-1.0 WAR)

SP: Ralph Terry (12.0 WAR)
SP: Harley Payne (4.3 WAR)
SP: Dave Keefe (2.7 WAR)
SP: Tony Pena (1.8 WAR)
SP: Tom Kramer (1.32 WAR)
RP: Kiko Calero (6.2 WAR)
RP: T.J. Mathews (4.8 WAR)
RP: Jay Powell (2.8 WAR)

Owner: Bill Devery
Umpires: John Kibler, Al Clark
Broadcaster: Dick Enberg
Point guard/minor league 2B: Muggsy Bogues
-5.5 career WAR in 152 games: Pat Rockett (-5.5 WAR)
No relation to Bob Dobalina: Bob Duliba
   2. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:20 AM (#5803627)
Otis Nixon, Stan Javier, and Ivan de Jesus are the big bats.


OOF. -98, -2, and -135 batting runs. Frank Olin is the only player with positive batting runs, +10 in 190 PA.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:29 AM (#5803631)
SP: Ralph Terry (12.0 WAR)

Terry is a guy I grew up with thinking was much better than he was. Before BRef, if you had asked me, I would have guessed he was close to Stottlemyre. That one great '62 season, incl. WS MVP, really elevated his rep.

It's funny because Don Larsen had similar career value, and the great WS, but I always knew he was a journeyman. I guess that's what one 23 win season can do for you.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5803645)
Terry is a guy I grew up with thinking was much better than he was. Before BRef, if you had asked me, I would have guessed he was close to Stottlemyre. That one great '62 season, incl. WS MVP, really elevated his rep.


I didn't realize Terry was so ordinary until Dan posted today's Dugout.

   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5803650)
BB-ref doesn't list a nickname for Joe Wallis, but he was commonly known as "Tarzan Joe."
   6. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:37 AM (#5803665)
This game has been going around Reddit for a bit...I’ll share here and see if it has legs:

NAME THE JOURNEYMAN

Hints: These players are all RETIRED. (Or at least didn’t play in 2018–one is apparently refusing to quit.) But they aren’t complete unknowns; in fact, all of them made an All-Star team in the 2000s. Can you name them from this sequential list of each MLB organization they belonged to? (Note this may include teams they didn’t actually play any MLB games with.)

1. Outfielder, 2005 All-Star, last MLB game was 2012: Rangers, Marlins, Rangers, Mariners, Brewers, White Sox, Rockies, White Sox, Royals, Dodgers, Blue Jays, Phillies, Red Sox, Diamondbacks, Red Sox.

2. Starting pitcher, 2014 All-Star last MLB game was 2016: Phillies, Giants, Rangers, Orioles, Phillies, Rangers, Dodgers, Orioles, Reds, Tigers, Reds.

3. Outfielder, 2000 & 2003 All-Star, last MLB game was 2006: Yankees, Marlins, Mets, Astros, Red Sox, Rangers, White Sox, Expos, White Sox, Mariners.

BONUS4. This guy was NOT an All-Star, but I thought he was. I mean. He coulda been. Anyway. Infielder, best year was 2009, last MLB game was in 2011: Indians, Reds, Braves, Indians, Brewers, Rays, Padres, Indians, Phillies, Cardinals, Brewers, Mariners, Indians, Mariners, DBacks, Angels, Yankees, Indians.
   7. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5803667)
1: Carlos Quentin
   8. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5803672)
Carlos Quentin is not correct.
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:47 AM (#5803674)
3. Carl Everett
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:48 AM (#5803675)
1. Scotty Podz?
   11. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:55 AM (#5803681)
Correct and correct! Carl Everett was the Marlins’ 14th pick in the 1992 Expansion Draft.

I loved how 3 teams quit on Pods—one of them (Texas) twice!—before the Brewers finally gave him a chance to play every day.
   12. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:05 PM (#5803685)
4. Ronnie Belliard?
   13. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5803690)
Good guess, but no.
   14. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5803693)
4. Damian Jackson?

edit: Nope, just looked him up. Not him.
   15. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:22 PM (#5803699)
Not Jackson. Our answer had almost no defensive value whatsoever—he was all bat.
   16. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:30 PM (#5803704)
Russ Branyan played for the Indians a few times, and the Phillies, and some of those other teams. It must be him.

("infielder" very much not meaning 2B or SS)
   17. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:34 PM (#5803708)
2. Vogelsong?
   18. JJ1986 Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5803709)
I remembered the guy in #4, but kept coming up with the name "Richie Sexson" instead.
   19. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:36 PM (#5803711)
Ha, indeed. Russ Branyan is correct on #4. Dude loved the Indians, kept coming back to them!
   20. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:37 PM (#5803713)
2 is not Vogelsong, sorry.
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:39 PM (#5803719)
Came up with the Phillies, and then the Phillies again later, and then the Orioles? All I can think of is Adam Eaton. But there is no way he was an All-Star in 2014.
   22. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:41 PM (#5803720)
21- I’ll really blow your mind: this guy never played a single MLB game for the Phillies!
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:43 PM (#5803721)

I remembered the guy in #4, but kept coming up with the name "Richie Sexson" instead.


That was his righthanded twin.
   24. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:49 PM (#5803727)
I remembered the guy in #2 (from an old project I did on unlikely All-Stars) but kept coming up with the name "Randall Simon" (the first baseman) instead.
   25. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:51 PM (#5803730)
I guess that confirms my hunch that #2 is Alfredo Simon?
   26. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:03 PM (#5803737)
Correct! That’s the lot of em!

1. Scott Podsednik
2. Alfredo Simon
3. Carl Everett
4. Russell Branyan

Good job, guys. You know your journeymen!
   27. Hysterical & Useless Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5803739)
Interesting (to me) that nowadays we all associate the term "journeyman" with well-traveled. But originally it just meant that, having completed your apprenticeship, you could be hired by the day. Yes, you could move around, but you also might just keep working for the same master (generally in hopes that he would die and his widow would need somebody to take over the business and keep her warm at night).
   28. JJ1986 Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:12 PM (#5803740)
Interesting (to me) that nowadays we all associate the term "journeyman" with well-traveled. But originally it just meant that, having completed your apprenticeship, you could be hired by the day. Yes, you could move around, but you also might just keep working for the same master (generally in hopes that he would die and his widow would need somebody to take over the business and keep her warm at night).

I'm not a journeyman; I'm a journey, man.
   29. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:15 PM (#5803742)
The first 7 teams in that list only employed Alfredo Simon in the minors. And the first time he was on the Phillies it was under an assumed name, and the second time was between November and March. No wonder I didn't get it.

Finally, BB-Ref says his name is pronounced like the English word "Simon", but has an accent over the o. Can both of those be true?
   30. The Run Fairy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5803748)
He somehow might have been better at flowery speech than he was at baseball


I wanted to find more O'Rourke quotes, and stumbled across a post that contains the following anecdote:

A lion had escaped from the Bridgeport zoo, and was found by a Mrs. Gilligan in her barn getting ready to make a meal out of her calf. She reportedly drove away the lion using a pitchfork. Having read about this in the local newspaper, Orator Jim felt compelled to send her a letter to praise her bravery. It began, 'The unparalleled bravery shown by you, and the unwavering fidelity extended by you to your calf during your precarious environment in the cowshed, when a ferocious, carnivorous beast threatened your total destruction, has suddenly exalted your fair name to an altitude much higher than the Egyptian pyramids, where hieroglyphics and other undecipherable mementos of the past are now lying in a state of innocuous desuetude...'


The weird part is, the post links to his SABR Bio, but it doesn't contain that quote and I can't find the quote in an archived version of the bio as it supposedly appeared at the time of the post. BUT I did find the following from the August 30, 1888 edition of the Waterbury Evening Democrat:

"Christina Gilligan, who, with a broom handle, whacked the escaped lion after the fire at Barnum's winter quarters last winter, is now under arrest for selling liquor... After the news of Mrs. Gilligan's lion whacking adventure had reached Mexico she received an offer of marriage from Don Diago Espinoza, who desired to place her at the head of his extensive cattle ranch. The wedding was announced to take place in Madison Square garden last spring with great pomp, and twenty clowns were to act as ushers. When Don Diago Espinoza came north and met Mrs. Gilligan he withdrew the suit.
   31. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5803765)
twenty clowns were to act as ushers
The cost-effective thing about using clowns as ushers is that you can get them all to the venue in one car.
   32. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5803794)
29- I didn’t know about the assumed name part. Huh. “Carlos Cabrera.”

His Wikipedia page is...not a fun read.
   33. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 09, 2019 at 05:43 PM (#5803882)
In transaction news:
Shelby Miller to Tex, 1/2m, w another 3m in incentives
Jamie garcia retired
Minor league deals include Colin Rea to the cubs, Dustin Ackley to SEA and Michael Tonkin to Tex
   34. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 06:28 PM (#5803894)
Jamie garcia retired

Surprising. Only 32, and he was pretty good in 2017.
   35. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 10, 2019 at 12:00 AM (#5803957)
I guess sometimes you know that you’re done? (Garcia)
—-
Grandal to MIL for 1/18.25m
That’s a surprise.
   36. bbmck Posted: January 10, 2019 at 01:20 AM (#5803962)
57 players with 300+ IP at Age 29-31 and those being the last 3 seasons of their career in the last 100 years. In 2019 these players presumably leave the group: Carlos Carrasco, Tanner Roark, Yu Darvish, Ivan Nova, Jeremy Hellickson, Andrew Cashner and Collin McHugh.

Three really similar free agents:
Wade Miley 1.5 WAR, 404 IP, 86 ERA+, 114 OPS+
Jaime Garcia 1.3 WAR, 410.2 IP, 88 ERA+, 111 OPS+
Derek Holland 1.2 WAR, 413.2 IP, 88 ERA+, 116 OPS+

Only 4 with 5+ WAR in last 3 seasons (Koufax would blow them away if he faced a batter in 1967):

Ivy Andrews 7.1 WAR, 348 IP, 117 ERA+, 86 OPS+
- Sabr bio: "At the time, since American League rules required only 45 innings to qualify for pitching honors and Andrews had 48, his 3.00 led the league in earned-run average." Wins the ERA title in his final MLB season, plays in the minors Age 32-35 and 37 but never appears in the MLB again.

Matt Clement 6.6 WAR, 437.1 IP, 100 ERA+, 91 OPS+
- Hit in the head by a Carl Crawford line drive in 2005, shoulder surgery ending a disappointing 2006, doesn't pitch in a game in 2007, plays in the minors in 2008 and in spring training in 2009 and retires.

Gil Meche 6.1 WAR, 401 IP, 94 ERA+, 103 OPS+
- Walks away from $12mil after 0 WAR, 61.2 IP, 74 ERA+, 125 OPS+ in 2010.

Oil Can Boyd 5.8 WAR, 432 IP, 99 ERA+, 104 OPS+
- Pitching well for 1.5 of his final two MLB seasons for the Expos, sucks for the Rangers. 1992 his bio says in the Pirates organization, 1993 in the Mexican League, Age 34-37 and 45 pitching in independent leagues.

30+ career pitching WAR:

Carlos Zambrano 38.4: last pitches in MLB in 2012, announces retirement in Sept 2014
Johnny Antonelli 31.2 Sabr bio: But the high hopes at the start of 1961 turned to disappointment when Johnny entered May with a 0-4 record. He was soon dealt to the Milwaukee Braves. His impact on the Braves was minimal, and he played in just nine games winning once. In October, Antonelli was sold to the expansion New York Mets, but rather than play for a team that promised to be one of the worst in major league history, Antonelli famously decided to retire from baseball for good. “I quit baseball because I didn’t like traveling,” Johnny said in 2007. “Not for any other reason. I had no injuries or anything. I’d had my fill of traveling. I had a business to fall back on or else I would have played longer, I’m sure.”

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