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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-10-2014

Milwaukee Journal, February 10, 1914:

Don’t be surprised if next season, in an American league championship game, you see a pitcher wearing a patch over his left eye. Pug Cavet, purchased by the Tigers from the Mobile club of the Southern association, has lots of trouble with his left eye, and on August 13, last, he worked for the Sea Gulls against the Montgomery team wearing a big green patch. If Cavet’s eyesight had been perfect that afternoon, there is no telling how much glory he would have covered himself with, but even as it was he managed to accomplish a little, as the following summary of his achievements will show:

Held Montgomery to three hits and one run.

Did not issue a pass, make a wild pitch or hit a baseman [sic].

Came to bat in the second inning with the bases packed and smote the ball over the fence, winning his own game.

Cavet had a solid 1914 for the Tigers as a swingman, throwing 151.1 innings of 115 ERA+ ball. It’s unclear whether he broke out the eyepatch at any point.

Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 10, 2014 at 08:54 AM | 72 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 10, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4654084)
A sneaky-good birthday team:

C: Lenny Webster
1B: Jim Keenan
2B: Cotton Tierney
3B: Alex Gordon
SS: Cesar Izturis
LF: Curt Welch
CF: Lenny Dykstra
RF: Lance Berkman

SP: Herb Pennock
SP: Allie Reynolds
SP: Jim Barr
SP: Bobby J. Jones
SP: Larry McWilliams
RP: Billy O'Dell

Yo, Dawg: Randy Jackson
Maybe deserves to be in LF instead of Welch: Henry Kimbro
   2. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 10, 2014 at 09:42 AM (#4654091)
Before and after: "billy odell jones" would be a good handle for a Pirate fan.

Larry McWilliams and the Pirate staff of 1984 led the NL in ERA, but the team still managed to finish last.

Many thanks to Dan Lee for keeping up this link every day. In this pharmaceutical offseason, it's been a significant part of the bridge to spring training.
   3. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM (#4654096)
Trivia (sort of): By championship probability added, name the ten best postseason starting pitchers ever.

Bonus: Throw in the five best relievers.
   4. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:07 AM (#4654097)
Schilling
Smoltz
El Duque
   5. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:10 AM (#4654100)
Hershiser?
   6. Mike Emeigh Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:13 AM (#4654101)
Larry McWilliams and the Pirate staff of 1984 led the NL in ERA, but the team still managed to finish last.


despite outscoring the opposition by 48 runs. Three Rivers Stadium, for some reason (perhaps weather related) played as a pitchers' park in 1984, which helped make the pitching staff look better than it was.

The Pirates traded for Steve Kemp and George Hendrick in that offseason in an effort to boost the offense, sacrificing John Tudor, Brian Harper, Dale Berra, and Jay Buhner. The new hitters fared poorly, and Bill Madlock dropped off the table as well (although he'd revive after a deadline trade to the Dodgers). Moving John Candelaria out of the rotation into the bullpen didn't help matters any and exposed the real lack of depth in the rotation. The staff finished third from the bottom in ERA in 1985, and the Pirates finally decided to clean house after crashing to the team's first 100-loss season in 31 years.

-- MWE
   7. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:15 AM (#4654102)
1.
2.
3.
4. Schilling
5. Smoltz
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
   8. BDC Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:46 AM (#4654112)
Oh heck I'll guess Christy Mathewson.
   9. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:48 AM (#4654115)
Hershiser, El Duque, and Mathewson are all really good (among the top 50 starters), but not in the top 10.

Most of the remaining answers, though not all of them, are from the Series-only era of the playoffs.
   10. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4654116)
Lolich
Ruth
Gibson
   11. BDC Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4654119)
Meanwhile, Cotton Tierney sounds like Gene Tierney's younger exotic-dancer sister … looks to have been a good pro ballplayer, though. "Only" played parts of six years in the majors in the early 1920s, but like a lot of pros of that era, had had an extensive minor-league career before and would have "another" minor-league career after.
   12. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:50 AM (#4654120)
Whitey Ford? He pitched in about eleventy bajillion World Series.
   13. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:50 AM (#4654121)
Cesar Izturis made the NL All-Star Team in 2005, a year he hit .257/.302/.322 (66 OPS+) in just 100 games--negative 0.2 WAR on the year. ...But he woke up on June 2nd he had a line of .345/.392/.426 and was leading the league in hits. How could he NOT make it?!?!

(.167/.209/.217 for Izturis the rest of the way out, with as many GiDPs as extra base hits.)
   14. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4654122)
Jack the Jack Morris!
   15. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4654125)
Jack Morris, of course
Danny Jackson
Dick Ruthven
Greg Maddux
Livan Hernandez
Al Leiter

   16. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4654126)
...and while I'm on the "quantity" angle, I'll throw Red Ruffing out there.
   17. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4654129)
1. Morris
2.
3.
4. Schilling
5. Smoltz
6.
7. Gibson
8.
9.
10. Ruffing

No to the others through post 16. Lolich is in the second ten. Livan Hernandez actually has a large negative score, thanks to a disastrous '02 World Series.
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:58 AM (#4654131)
Andy Pettitte
Bret Saberhagen
Mike Scott
Roger Clemens
   19. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:59 AM (#4654135)
Chief Bender? He had a couple phenomenal Series in the early 1910s, generally in games against Mathewson.
   20. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:59 AM (#4654136)
Glavine?

   21. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 11:02 AM (#4654139)
Bender, Glavine, Pettitte, and Clemens are all in the top 30, but not the top 10.
   22. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 10, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4654144)
Koufax?
   23. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM (#4654147)
1. Morris
2.
3.
4. Schilling
5. Smoltz
6.
7. Gibson
8. Koufax
9.
10. Ruffing

Kind of surprised Koufax took as long as he did to come up.
   24. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 10, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4654149)
Lefty Gomez? WIthout looking, I'm guessing he got lots of run support but I got nothing else.
   25. BDC Posted: February 10, 2014 at 11:15 AM (#4654154)
How about Allie Reynolds? I see he's on the Birthday Team :)
   26. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4654156)
1. Morris
2.
3. Reynolds
4. Schilling
5. Smoltz
6.
7. Gibson
8. Koufax
9.
10. Ruffing

Didn't even notice that the question was topical for today. (Reynolds both started and relieved at times in the playoffs; the ranking is for is his combined score, because most of his value came as a starter. Which I suppose means I'm risking the wrath of Walt Davis.)
   27. JJ1986 Posted: February 10, 2014 at 11:35 AM (#4654163)
Scott Elbert becomes the first guy to go on the DL this year. The Dbacks and Dodgers are the only teams that can add someone yet, so Matt Reynolds should be 2nd when Arroyo signs.
   28. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4654176)
Tom Brady
   29. Mike Emeigh Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:05 PM (#4654177)
Bob Kuzava saved the final game of back-to-back WS; wonder if he's in the top 5 relievers.

-- MWE

EDIT: Rivera has to be #1 among relievers.
   30. Chris Fluit Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:05 PM (#4654178)
Don Larsen

Pete Alexander, if he hasn't already been guessed
   31. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4654180)
Longshot: Steve Blass? In 1971, he won a complete game when the Pirates were down two games to none, then won a complete game in Game 7.
   32. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4654181)
Bob Kuzava saved the final game of back-to-back WS; wonder if he's in the top 5 relievers.

Outstanding guess. In case anyone wants to start filling in that list:

1.
2.
3.
4. Kuzava
5.
   33. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4654185)
Longshot: Steve Blass?

Not that long of a shot - he's also in the second 10. Two of the three remaining un-guessed starters had similar Series-clinching games.

Alexander is also very close but doesn't quite make the list.
   34. Chris Fluit Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4654186)
Mariano Rivera for relievers
   35. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4654190)
Mariano Rivera for relievers

Unsurprisingly, this is correct.

1. Rivera
2.
3.
4. Kuzava
5.
   36. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4654194)
Here's a truly wild stab for the reliever category: Randy Johnson.
   37. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4654195)
Mark Wohlers? The Braves only got the one championship, but IIRC, Wohlers was always terrific in October.
   38. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4654198)
Byung Hyun Kim
Bob Stanley
Todd Worrell
Donnie Moore
   39. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4654199)
Mark Wohlers? The Braves only got the one championship, but IIRC, Wohlers was always terrific in October.


Jim Leyritz thought so.
   40. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4654203)
Jim Leyritz thought so.
Fair enough, but looking it up, he had a 2.35 ERA in 39 postseason appearances. One would think that the vast majority of those appearances were high-leverage.
   41. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:25 PM (#4654206)
Fair enough, but looking it up, he had a 2.35 ERA in 39 postseason appearances. One would think that the vast majority of those appearances were high-leverage


Mariano blew the 2001 WS AND the 2004 ALCS!
   42. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4654208)
Here's a truly wild stab for the reliever category: Randy Johnson.

I'm considering him as a starter, but he doesn't quite make the relievers list even if you change the categorization.

Byung Hyun Kim
Bob Stanley
Todd Worrell
Donnie Moore


We're going for relievers who are valuable to their own teams. (Kim and Stanley both score among the ten WORST postseason pitchers ever, reliever or starter. Actually, we can do that list too if there's interest.)
   43. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4654211)
Fair enough, but looking it up, he had a 2.35 ERA in 39 postseason appearances. One would think that the vast majority of those appearances were high-leverage.

Wohlers has a positive score, but not a huge one.

Mariano blew the 2001 WS AND the 2004 ALCS!

Rivera actually gets a positive score for the '04 ALCS; his only really bad effort in that series was in Game 4, when his team had a 3-0 lead, making it a very low-leverage outing in terms of the series as it was occurring. The '01 WS is one of his two negative scores for a series; can anyone guess the other?
   44. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4654220)
The '01 WS is one of his two negative scores for a series; can anyone guess the other?


97 against Cleveland.
   45. WahooSam Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4654221)
Tom Henke?
Rollie Fingers?
Eck?
   46. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:40 PM (#4654225)
97 against Cleveland.

Bingo.

1. Rivera
2. Fingers
3.
4. Kuzava
5.

Rivera and Fingers are far and away the best postseason relievers ever. (Well, phrasing it like that makes them sound like peers; Rivera leads everyone, including Fingers, by a vast margin; Fingers has a very large lead on #3, who in turn has a pretty good-sized lead on everyone else.)
   47. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM (#4654232)
Tommy Hanson to the Rangers on a minor league deal.
   48. WahooSam Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM (#4654239)
Maybe John Wetteland?
   49. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4654248)
Maybe John Wetteland?

Nope. The remaining pair of relievers were not their teams' primary closers. One pitched in the '70s, and the other in the '90s.

Of the remaining starters, two pitched primarily in the '20s, and the other in the '50s.
   50. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4654251)
Harry Brecheen?

EDIT: All these years, I read his last name as Breechen and mentally pronounced his name BREECH-en.
   51. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4654253)
Darold Knowles? Rawly Eastwick?
   52. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4654254)
Rawly Eastwick?

How about Will McEnaney?

   53. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4654256)
Having not seen 49 before posting, I assume 50 is not correct.
   54. Sweatpants Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4654261)
Meanwhile, Cotton Tierney sounds like Gene Tierney's younger exotic-dancer sister … looks to have been a good pro ballplayer, though. "Only" played parts of six years in the majors in the early 1920s, but like a lot of pros of that era, had had an extensive minor-league career before and would have "another" minor-league career after.
In a fact that I know only because it used to be listed by whoever sponsored Tierney's Baseball-Reference page, Tierney played 92 road games in the 1923 season.

Is the '90s reliever Mike Stanton?
   55. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4654262)
Waite Hoyt?
Lew Burdette?
   56. Sweatpants Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4654264)
EDIT: All these years, I read his last name as Breechen and mentally pronounced his name BREECH-en.
I did the same thing for a while.

For the starters, Johnny Podres and Waite Hoyt?

Edit: Drat. Burdette's probably a better guess, too.
   57. esseff Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:13 PM (#4654267)
Has Herb Pennock been guessed?
   58. esseff Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:15 PM (#4654270)
EDIT: All these years, I read his last name as Breechen and mentally pronounced his name BREECH-en.
I did the same thing for a while.


Hard 'ch': bruh-KEEN.

But he's more '40s, than '50s.
   59. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4654277)
Kim and Stanley both score among the ten WORST


Shout out to deceased actress Kim Stanley, whose birthday would be tomorrow.
   60. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4654278)
McEnaney and Stanton are correct among the relievers:

1. Rivera
2. Fingers
3. Stanton
4. Kuzava
5. McEnaney

For the starters:

1. Morris
2.
3. Reynolds
4. Schilling
5. Smoltz
6. Pennock
7. Gibson
8. Koufax
9. Podres
10. Ruffing

One to go.
   61. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4654284)
Rawly Eastwick?

Eastwick actually does really badly - he had four blown saves in 10 career playoff games, the most famous of which came courtesy of Bernie Carbo.
   62. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4654287)
Ralph Terry?
   63. Jick Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4654288)
Art Nehf? His name would come up a lot in the Morris threads.
   64. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4654291)
The last one is a '20s guy, yes? George Earnshaw?
   65. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4654295)
Art Nehf? His name would come up a lot in the Morris threads.

And appropriately so, given his shutout win in a World Series Game 8.

1. Morris
2. Nehf
3. Reynolds
4. Schilling
5. Smoltz
6. Pennock
7. Gibson
8. Koufax
9. Podres
10. Ruffing

In case anyone's curious, full performance breakdowns for these guys can be found here for the starters, and here for the relievers.
   66. Jick Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4654299)
Woohoo! First time I was ever able to contribute an answer in a thread like this. (Though I couldn't remember if his shutout was game eight or nine.) Fun stuff; thanks, Eric J.

Two birthday starters on the final list.
   67. salvomania Posted: February 10, 2014 at 02:54 PM (#4654340)
Two birthday starters on the final list.

And, as seen in the link, the hitter with the third-best postseason championship probability added is also on today's birthday team...
   68. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 10, 2014 at 03:11 PM (#4654355)
And, as seen in the link, the hitter with the third-best postseason championship probability added is also on today's birthday team...

Dykstra also had a really good postseason career, finishing just outside the top 20 hitters. Apparently the 2/10 birthday team would be one to watch out for if it made the playoffs.
   69. esseff Posted: February 10, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4654368)
Dykstra also had a really good postseason career, finishing just outside the top 20 hitters. Apparently the 2/10 birthday team would be one to watch out for if it made the playoffs.


And Welch's biggest claim to fame, possibly, is scoring the winning run in a championship series.
   70. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 10, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4654389)

Dykstra also had a really good postseason career


I'd say that's an understatement. A 1.094 OPS (compared to his career mark of .793), with 10 homers in just five series (He had almost 1/8 as many homers in 136 postseason PA as he did in 5,200 regular season PA.
   71. Moeball Posted: February 10, 2014 at 05:15 PM (#4654427)
1. Morris
2. Nehf
3. Reynolds
4. Schilling
5. Smoltz
6. Pennock
7. Gibson
8. Koufax
9. Podres
10. Ruffing


You mean Jack Morris was really good in high-leverage postseason games? If only someone had known that before now, maybe a case could have been made for his candidacy for the HOF.
   72. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 12, 2014 at 08:28 AM (#4655314)
Berkman and Dykstra both have something in common as postseason hitters, apart from general excellence: they both hit what could have been famous home runs that were later very badly upstaged.

Dykstra in this game, helping the Phillies take the lead in what could have sent the Series to a Game 7.

Berkman in this game, giving Houston a late lead in a game that could have clinched their first-ever pennant. Had the rest of the game played out differently, this home run would be remembered like George Brett's in this game - the circumstances are almost freakishly similar. But Berkman's homer was not the last one hit in his game.

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