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Monday, February 11, 2019

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-11-2019

Washington Herald, February 11, 1919:

Babe Ruth, Red Sox star, championed the cause of a number of women and squelched a group of rowdies who were annoying them at a local dance Saturday night.

Ruth was present with Mrs. Ruth. The baseball giant bided his time, waiting for some one in authority to halt the rough tactics, but when no one did, he acted. A short snappy talk about “throwing them through the door” caused them to quiet down and leave the gathering…When Ruth came [outside] he expressed his willingness to let them have some and prepared to serve it out. Then the troubleshooters grew tense again and decided that hostilities didn’t look very good to them after all. Ruth handed them some more stinging rebukes and they disappeared.

I imagine an angry Babe Ruth would have been an intimidating dude.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:12 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:13 AM (#5814265)
A mediocre Birthday Team made worse by having the wrong Ed Walsh.

C: J.R. Towles (-0.1 WAR)
1B: Brian Daubach (6.3 WAR)
2B: George Hausmann (3.1 WAR)
3B: Red Shannon (3.0 WAR)
SS: Dansby Swanson (2.9 WAR)
LF: Ben Oglivie (26.4 WAR)
CF: Jimmy Ryan (43.5 WAR)
RF: Ollie Brown (10.4 WAR)

SP: Ray Collins (25.1 WAR)
SP: Sammy Ellis (6.1 WAR)
SP: Brian Matusz (2.3 WAR)
SP: Ed Walsh the Younger (0.4 WAR)
SP: Yank Terry (-0.7 WAR)
RP: Matt Lindstrom (4.6 WAR)

Owner: Seizo Noda
Manager/Hall of Fame NPB outfielder: Kenjiro Tamiya
Bench OF/1B/P: Willie Smith (1.0 WAR)
Rob Neyer's Archnemesis: Steve Hirdt
   2. base ball chick Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5814267)
steve hirdt's birthday is august 14

i wonder what rob neyer is doing these days. i haven't seen him publish anything for years
   3. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5814270)
That's really weird - the BBRef wiki lists Hirdt's birthday as February 11.

Rob released a book last October and it won an award, so it seems like he's doing okay. Maybe we just don't notice him as much without the flannel.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5814271)
i wonder what rob neyer is doing these days. i haven't seen him publish anything for years

I think he has a book coming out soon.
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5814273)
Matt Lindstrom was a key part of the record-setting 2011 Rockies bullpen, which featured a whopping 217 relief appearances from pitchers named "Matt."
   6. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:03 AM (#5814274)
I imagine an angry Babe Ruth would have been an intimidating dude.

Especially when he expresses his willingness to let a group of ruffians have some, being prepared to serve it out, and offering stinging rebukes to said ruffians.
   7. Mike Webber Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:03 AM (#5814275)
Rob's book about the Astros

If I missed the sarcasm I apologize BBC. It is a very good book though, in fact I listened to it on a trip back and forth to Houston to visit my daughter at Rice last fall.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5814276)
Maybe we just don't notice him as much without the flannel.
Doesn't he live in Portland? I'm sure he's still wearing flannel.
   9. base ball chick Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5814277)
Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5814270)

That's really weird - the BBRef wiki lists Hirdt's birthday as February 11.


that is extremely weird seeing as how both wiki and imdb

maybe it is part of AGE GATE!!!

like when i discoverfed that suddenly jose valverde's birthday, which had been listed in the media guide from the year before as july 24 suddenly (quietly) was chanced to another one - 1 1/2 years younger. the astros had tried to slip one by but i caught em - and only because it was barry bonds birthday, so i had remembered...

   10. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5814278)
Neyer: He’s also the commissioner of the West Coast League (summer collegiate baseball)
   11. base ball chick Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5814279)
Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5814273)

Matt Lindstrom was a key part of the record-setting 2011 Rockies bullpen, which featured a whopping 217 relief appearances from pitchers named "Matt."


- yeh, he had sucked for the astros the year before and they dumped him on all yall for someone else lousy
   12. base ball chick Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5814280)
i wasn't being sarcastic about rob. really. i knew he left SBnation years before and hadn't seen him blog or write for anyone else. didn't know he had published a book about an astros game

interesting
   13. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:01 PM (#5814304)
kyler murray to play football.
vogt to sign w oak on a minor league deal
   14. oscar madisox Posted: February 11, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5814364)
Rob's book isn't really about the Astros. It's about the way the game is played nowadays, and the issues they present. He relates this while he chronicles an Astros-A's game from Sept. 2017. It's a very good book.


   15. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 11, 2019 at 03:52 PM (#5814403)
Downtown Ollie Brown.

That is all.
   16. Adam Starblind Posted: February 11, 2019 at 04:29 PM (#5814414)
Anyone else get their baseball news from SportSpyder.com? A good little automatic aggregator of links by team with team-related tweets down the right-hand side. Except they just censored Gooden:

Dwight Gooden
Congratulations I am very proud of you Sara. This is Sara's 7th Dean's list in a row. She has to work several times as hard as anyone else because of her brain trauma injury and post concussion syndrome. She's graduating with all honors and magna **** laude.
   17. Hysterical & Useless Posted: February 11, 2019 at 05:04 PM (#5814419)
They outsource their nannying to BBTF?
   18. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 11, 2019 at 05:11 PM (#5814423)
Rob's book isn't really about the Astros. It's about the way the game is played nowadays, and the issues they present. He relates this while he chronicles an Astros-A's game from Sept. 2017. It's a very good book.


Does he credit Dan Okrient who wrote the same book in 1982?
   19. oscar madisox Posted: February 11, 2019 at 05:19 PM (#5814427)
Does he credit Dan Okrient who wrote the same book in 1982?


Yes, Nine Innings. He gives it due credit.

   20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 11, 2019 at 05:55 PM (#5814441)
magna **** laude
Except it looks like Gooden misspelled the nannied term...but how can you add a letter to that term in a way that would still get it nannied? Bizarre.
   21. SoSH U at work Posted: February 11, 2019 at 06:11 PM (#5814448)
Except it looks like Gooden misspelled the nannied term...but how can you add a letter to that term in a way that would still get it nannied? Bizarre.


Make it plural.

(Not really plural. More like the verb from the third person).
   22. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 11, 2019 at 06:14 PM (#5814450)
cums

So, maybe not that?
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: February 11, 2019 at 06:22 PM (#5814454)
Does our nanny asterisk-out cum?

Apparently not. So maybe they got the 2.0 version.

   24. Ziggy's screen name Posted: February 11, 2019 at 06:57 PM (#5814465)
Imagine how different baseball would be if Ruth had been seriously injured in a fight with those ruffians. Two scenarios:

(1) Ruth is too hurt to play any more baseball. The live ball is introduced the following season, but no one thinks to put an uppercut on it. Batters notice that it's easier than ever to get a ground ball through the infield so everyone starts hacking down at the ball. League leaders in home runs average about seven for the next few decades. Mickey Mantle is known as a speedy lead off hitter with good on-base skills, but when his legs give out his career is suddenly over. Turns out to be one of history's great "might have beens". Baseball doesn't discover the home run as an offensive weapon until a genius named 'Pete Incaviglia' starts upper cutting and hits more home runs by himself than any team (besides the Rangers) in 1989.

(2) Ruth is hurt, but not so bad that he never plays again. Rather, the Yankees decide that they aren't interested in a moderately-injured pitcher, and buy Stuffy McInnis instead. Ruth recovers nicely for the 1920 season and does so well at the plate in the early going that the Red Sox decide to transition him to the outfield, where he immediately dominates. Pulling home runs down Fenway's right field line Ruth would hit 714 career round trippers, all of them with the Red Sox, launching decades of Boston dominance in the American League. The popularity of the Ruth-led Boston nine give the Red Sox the financial clout to buy any player they want from the Athletics, eventually turning them into a de facto farm team. The Yankees, meanwhile, toil in obscurity, overshadowed by their neighbors to the north, eventually relocating to LA (with the Giants going to SF), giving the Dodgers sole possession of New York. In 1960 the Red Sox acquire Roger Maris from the A's, and the following season features one of the game's great pennant races, as the Red Sox manage to hold of a newly resurgent Los Angeles team after Mantle goes down with an injury and Maris finally tops Ruth's home run record.
   25. Yanigan Posted: February 11, 2019 at 08:23 PM (#5814478)
The Dansby Swanson link goes to Tom Veryzer's page. I don't usually follow the links, so is this kind of an Easter egg thing, or a B-Ref version of a rick roll?
   26. Adam Starblind Posted: February 12, 2019 at 04:39 PM (#5814682)
Anyway, other than the weird nannying, I recommend SportSpyder. Nice link aggregator. You know, like we all wish BBTF was.
   27. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 12, 2019 at 04:48 PM (#5814685)
The Dansby Swanson link goes to Tom Veryzer's page. I don't usually follow the links, so is this kind of an Easter egg thing, or a B-Ref version of a rick roll?


Swanson displaced Veryzer on the February 11 birthday team this season, which is probably why that happened. Veryzer managed to rack up -3.7 WAR in 12 seasons, so Dansby is a bit of an upgrade.
   28. Master of the Horse Posted: February 12, 2019 at 04:48 PM (#5814686)
I thought it was pretty interesting that the Brewers signed Brett Lawrie Guy has not been in the majors or minors since 2016.

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