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Monday, February 12, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-12-2018

Bridgeport Times, February 12, 1918:

Edward Grant Barrow, former president of the International League, was appointed manager of the Boston Red Sox yesterday. He will succeed Jack Barry, who relinquished the job to enlist in the Naval Reserves as a yoeman [sic].
...
Barrow already has several deals in the air. He says he will immediately strengthen his team through the purchase of the best talent he can purchase from the International League.

Washington Times, February 12, 1918:

When Barrow favored a merger of the International League with the American Association, each organization dropping four clubs, his doom was sealed with the International.

The International League had cut Barrow’s salary as the league president by two-thirds, an obvious invitation to find employment elsewhere.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 12, 2018 at 10:14 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 12, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5623417)
A good Birthday Team today, unless you hate pants. Smitty wouldn't care for it.

C: Joe Garagiola (9.18 WAR)
1B: Earl Sheely (20.17 WAR)
2B: Lenny Randle (11.53 WAR)
3B: Todd Frazier (22.02 WAR)
SS: Jim Fogarty (14.83 WAR)
LF: Chick Hafey (30.08 WAR)
CF: Dom DiMaggio (32 WAR)
RF: Chet Lemon (55.48 WAR)

SP: Don Wilson (27.91 WAR)
SP: Pat Dobson (16.91 WAR)
SP: Monk Dubiel (7.53 WAR)
SP: Don Stanhouse (5.89 WAR)
SP: Jerry Walker (5.71 WAR)
RP: Ray Corbin (2.88 WAR)

Fun names: Kiddo Davis, Sweetbread Bailey
Manager: Pants Rowland
General Manager: Cam Bonifay
Play-By-Play: Jim Durham
   2. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 12, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5623428)
Chet Lemon. Very good player, underrrated for sure, not HOFer.

On the one hand, since I wouldn't vote for him, I shouldn't requie anyone else to, and thus his single vote on the 1996 ballot is perfectly justified.

On the other, he was a better player than many who got lots of votes on that same ballot, and far better than a couple who got huge support. Steve Garvey got 175 votes. Dave Concepcion got 63. Bob Boone got 36. Rust Staub got 24. Bill Buckner got 10. Frank White got 18.

I struggle with how to reconcile this.
   3. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: February 12, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5623435)
REM singer Michael Stipe is exactly as old as Bud Selig was the day he became acting commissioner of major league baseball (21,224 days).


Anyone who wants to can look up as-old-as items like this for yourself here.
   4. dlf Posted: February 12, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5623436)
I certainly don't mean to single out Misirlou (congrats on UF, by the way) but I *really* hate how the conversation about players so often turns into a HOF debate. Stories about Joe Garagiola in the booth, or reminiscing about Pat Dobson's role as one of 4 20 game winners on the '71 O's, or just what happened to Don "Stan the Man Unusual" Stanhouse after he went to the Dodgers as a high dollar FA, or a link to a video of Lenny Randle either blowing a ball foul or beating up Lucchesi ... or more relevant, maybe a photo of Chet Lemon wearing the ChiSox shorts in the 70s devolves into another debate on the HOF merits of Lemon and others. I dislike how so much of the focus on the history and players goes through the lens of the least interesting room in a wonderful museum by Lake Glimmerglass.
   5. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: February 12, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5623468)
   6. Nasty Nate Posted: February 12, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5623470)
Esteban Loaiza...
Game 5!
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: February 12, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5623473)
Ex-Major League Baseball journeyman Esteban Loaiza


That's not journeyman Esteban Loaiza. It's PP/TTAS Estaban Loaiza.

Proven Pitcher/Two-Time All-Star, as the late Yankee chatterers would say.
   8. Batman Posted: February 12, 2018 at 11:41 AM (#5623481)
Esteban Loaiza was arrested Friday with more than 20 kilos of either cocaine or heroin
Choose wisely, Esteban!
   9. BDC Posted: February 12, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5623488)
I love a good HOF debate, or even a mediocre one :) But I admit that they often skew impressions of baseball history. A lot of people think of Chick Hafey, for instance, as a massively overrated player worthy of scorn (or reflected scorn on Frankie Frisch). But Hafey was a flat-out excellent hitter – I'm not going to look up their Rbat totals, but I would compare him to somebody like Pedro Guerrero or Gary Sheffield or Edwin Encarnacion, RHB who just clobbered the ball, even if they weren't defensive marvels.

Dom DiMaggio was an outstanding player, too. Heck, Earl Sheely could play some; but yes, if they don't remotely register in HOF debates, they don't get much memory sent their way.
   10. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 12, 2018 at 11:55 AM (#5623489)
Yeesh. I'd like to respond to the Loaiza news with something snarky or clever, but I'm just left wondering what the hell he was thinking. $43+ million in gross career earnings and he's (allegedly) smuggling drugs.

Dammit, Esteban.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: February 12, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5623501)
Dom DiMaggio was an outstanding player, too. Heck, Earl Sheely could play some; but yes, if they don't remotely register in HOF debates, they don't get much memory sent their way.
Right. And the same is somewhat true at the top end. For me, the careers of Greg Maddux and Steve Carlton are as interesting (or more) than the careers of Bert Blyleven or Jack Morris, but we all know which careers have been discussed way more than the others around here.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 12, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5623591)
Esteban Loaiza: Hall of Famer, or no?
   13. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 12, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5623599)
Esteban Loaiza: Hall of Famer, or no?

As long as he wasn't dealing 20kg of steroids, he should get fair consideration.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 12, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5623618)
Ex-Major League Baseball journeyman Esteban Loaiza was arrested Friday with more than 20 kilos of either cocaine or heroin, according to the San Diego Sheriff’s Office, and is currently in jail on $200,000 bond.


That seems like an awfully low bond. I would think a guy who's smuggling 20 kilos of drugs knows how to flee the country.
   15. The Ghost of Logan Schafer Posted: February 12, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5623669)
2017 b-WAR of POSITION PLAYER FREE AGENTS (50)

JD Martinez====4.2
Hosmer======4.0
Lo-Mo=======3.6
Dyson=======2.6
Moustakas====1.8
C.Gomez=====1.8
Maybin======1.7
N.Walker=====1.5
Rasmus======1.2
E.Nunez======1.2
Duda========1.1
Jay=========1.1
Valencia======1.0
Utley========1.0
Reynolds======0.9
Lind=========0.8
B.Phillips======0.8
Lucroy========0.6
C.Ruiz========0.5
AJ Ellis========0.4
Y.Escobar======0.4
C.Pennington====0.3
Rajai Davis=====0.3
Seth Smith=====0.3
Ben Revere=====0.2
Eric Aybar======0.2

24 players==0.0 or Neg WAR

   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 12, 2018 at 03:37 PM (#5623737)
Wally Moon, fully eclipsed at 87. R.I.P.
   17. dlf Posted: February 12, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5623746)
His eyebrows, however, will last for another couple of decades.
   18. The Ghost of Logan Schafer Posted: February 12, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5623800)
I always get Wally Moon and Wally Post mixed up. I think I'll go look them up now. I know who Wally Cleaver is.
Did they just make their name "Cleaver" to rhyme with "Beaver"? Couldn't they have spelled it "C-l-e-e-v-e-r"?
Or, just called the family "Weaver"? "Wally Weaver" works. So does "Ward Weaver". "Cleaver" just makes me think
of the weapon of choice of many a serial killer.
   19. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 12, 2018 at 04:57 PM (#5623803)
I always get Wally Moon and Wally Post mixed up.

Likewise, and Walt Dropo is in that group as well.
   20. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: February 12, 2018 at 05:12 PM (#5623815)
Moon hit moon shots (cheapy high homers over the very short wall) at the Coliseum, had a crazy monobrow, and was a versatile outfielder who had a grad degree.
Wally Post was part of the Reds All-Star ballot box stuffing scandal and had trouble staying healthy.
And Dropo ... uh, was a Red Sox. (looks him up)

Huh, RoTY at age 27 over Whitey Ford with an impressive looking .322-34-144 (134 OPS+), easily his best season. Drafted in two other sports (NFL, BAA (predecessor to the NBA)). Kinda blah after that but - still - a thirteen year career is nothing to sneeze at.
   21. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 12, 2018 at 05:36 PM (#5623833)
Moon has one of the odder black ink profile--he led the league exactly once in:
PA
3B
GDP
OBP

spread over 8 years

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