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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-12-2019

John McGraw talks about pitcher Bugs Raymond in the Harrisburg Telegraph, February 12, 1919:

“I had a record of Raymond’s night out, and sent it to [Giants owner John] Brush, along with Raymond. This record showed ‘Bugs’ had swallowed forty-two beers and seven green onions. Mr. Brush cross-examined Raymond, and after a long time he finally admitted that he might have sipped the beers, but he was sure he had nothing to do with the onions.
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Once we were playing a tight game with the Pirates…I gave Raymond a brand new ball and sent him to the warming pit to use if necessary…I found out too late that Raymond had run out of the Polo Grounds, sold the new ball for half a dollar, bought as many drinks as he could, and came back to lose that game. There never was a troublemaker like him.”

Some of the stories may be amusing, but Bugs Raymond’s life was tragic. He drank himself out of baseball and died a year later at age 30. Bugs had been beaten in the head with a baseball bat, suffered a fractured skull, and had a cerebral hemorrhage as a result.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:25 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:26 AM (#5814572)
A good Birthday Team today, unless you hate pants. Smitty wouldn't care for it.

C: Joe Garagiola (9.2 WAR)
1B: Earl Sheely (20.2 WAR)
2B: Lenny Randle (11.6 WAR)
3B: Todd Frazier (23.8 WAR)
SS: Jim Fogarty (14.8 WAR)
LF: Chick Hafey (30.1 WAR)
CF: Dom DiMaggio (32.0 WAR)
RF: Chet Lemon (55.6 WAR)

SP: Don Wilson (27.7 WAR)
SP: Pat Dobson (16.9 WAR)
SP: Monk Dubiel (7.4 WAR)
SP: Don Stanhouse (5.8 WAR)
SP: Jerry Walker (5.6 WAR)
RP: Ray Corbin (2.88 WAR)

Fun names: Kiddo Davis, Sweetbread Bailey
Manager: Pants Rowland
General Manager: Cam Bonifay
Play-By-Play: Jim Durham
   2. AndrewJ Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:49 AM (#5814580)
And President: Abraham Lincoln
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:53 AM (#5814583)
LF: Chick Hafey (30.1 WAR)
Hall of Famer with about 25% fewer WAR than Harold Baines. Sheesh.
   4. Mike Webber Posted: February 12, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5814587)
I worked with Glenn Wright's son, and he told me one time he asked his dad who were the best players he ever played against. It was the usual cast of characters for a guy that played in the 1920's and 30's, except for left field. His answer was Chick Hafey.
There must have been something about him that impressed everyone that saw him play.
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 12, 2019 at 11:21 AM (#5814591)
Looking into it a bit more, Hafey was a genuinely excellent hitter and poor defender (although with a rifle arm) who struggled with vision and health problems. He was also in perpetual contract disputes. According to his SABR bio, he had a couple of bouts with the flu (I would assume the threatening 1930s-style flu) and just got tired of dealing with the baseball life, so he retired at 34 to focus on his health.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 12, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5814593)
Hall of Famer with about 25% fewer WAR than Harold Baines. Sheesh.

Except Hafey's career was derailed by serious persistent sinus infections (no penicillin yet) which screwed up his vision. Plus several bad bouts of influenza.

He was basically done at 31, and accumulated 30 WAR and 13 WAA in only 5115 PA. He had a 133 career OPS+

Baines took 6000 extra PA to accumulate 8 more WAR, and 11 LESS WAA. Hafey was the far superior player.
   7. AndrewJ Posted: February 12, 2019 at 12:28 PM (#5814616)
Hafey, one of the Frisch-era Veterans Committee choices. On the BBWAA ballot, he never rose above 10.8% of the vote, behind five players who still aren't in the Hall.
   8. Ziggy's screen name Posted: February 12, 2019 at 01:14 PM (#5814623)
LF: Chick Hafey (30.1 WAR)
CF: Dom DiMaggio (32.0 WAR)

Hafey was worse than the bad DiMaggio. Or, well, the not-as-good-as-his-more-famous-brother DiMaggio. I guess Vince was the bad one.
   9. JustDan Posted: February 12, 2019 at 01:15 PM (#5814624)
And President: Abraham Lincoln


And Charles Darwin (and born on the same day and year as Lincoln)
   10. base ball chick Posted: February 12, 2019 at 02:47 PM (#5814656)
mcgraw woulda been better off with bugs BUNNY

how is it physically possible to drink 47 beers in 1 evening?
   11. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 12, 2019 at 02:59 PM (#5814663)
Ask Charlie Kelly
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 12, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5814668)
how is it physically possible to drink 47 beers in 1 evening?
I'm sure Wade Boggs has flown to Europe at least once.
   13. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 12, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5814670)
   14. The Honorable Ardo Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:19 PM (#5814760)
Dunno how much baseball he's played, but Bill Russell is 85 years old today. He was at McClymonds High in the same era as Frank Robinson and Vada Pinson.
   15. Perry Posted: February 13, 2019 at 12:18 PM (#5814913)
Dunno how much baseball he's played, but Bill Russell is 85 years old today. He was at McClymonds High in the same era as Frank Robinson and Vada Pinson.


And Curt Flood, although not sure they overlapped. I mentioned this in one of the F. Robinson threads, but it's amazing that the first black MLB manager and first black NBA coach were high school teammates.

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