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Thursday, February 13, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-13-2014

Pittsburgh Press, February 13, 1914:

The baseball rules committee held an informal session and agreed to some rather important changes in the playing code. Hereafter a coacher will not be allowed to touch a runner rounding their base. If he does the runner is out. Heretofore coachers have been allowed to run out into the field and stop runners and literally carry them back to the base.

I’d pay money to watch Wendell Kim attempt to pick a running David Ortiz up off the ground and carry him to third base.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 13, 2014 at 10:33 AM | 46 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 13, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4656140)
The first baseman on today's Birthday Team might be throwing games, but the good news is that they aren't likely to matter anyway.

C: Fritz Buelow
1B: Hal Chase
2B: Eddie Foster
3B: Sal Bando
SS: Kevin Stocker
LF: Jerry Browne
CF: Guy Zinn
RF: Emmett Seery

SP: Harry Kelley
SP: Dick Hughes
SP: George Gill
SP: Nathan Eovaldi
SP: Mike Mimbs
RP: Donnie Moore

Other Fun Names: Herb Hash, Crazy Schmit, Oad Swigart, Biff Sheehan
Not that one: Bill Bradley, Billy Martin
Quarterback: Drew Henson

I've said this before, but it's worth mentioning again: Herb Hash had a son named Happy Hash.
   2. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 13, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4656157)
At least the closer won't have too many high-leverage opportunities.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4656163)
Every franchise has had a teenager on their roster (by BBRef Season year) except the Colorado Rockies.

The Red Sox and Cubs are tied for having gone the longest without having a teenager on their roster. Can you name the last one each had?

The Boston one technically made his debut a week after his 20th birthday. He had a 9 year career.

The Cubs one was a 19 year old. He had a 17 year career.
   4. BDC Posted: February 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM (#4656166)
I was trying to find other people by the name of Eovaldi, but all I got was an 18th-century anecdote from proceedings of the Royal Society, about how a German ambassador to "Tartary" named Eovaldi was tricked by a local into believing that lambs grew on trees.
   5. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 13, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4656167)
Cleveland has had one more recently than Feller, haven't they? I can't imagine it's Mark Lewis, but I'll just throw that name out there as someone who got drafted out of high school and didn't spend a ton of time in the minors.

edit: Mark Lewis was 21 when he debuted. Sabathia was 20. Manny was 21.
   6. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 13, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4656170)
The most prominent Eovaldi other than Nathan is a deli in St. Louis. There's also a journalist named Suzanne.
   7. KJOK Posted: February 13, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4656189)
Maybe Phil Cavaretta for the Cubs?

Edit: Well, Cavaretta was even younger than 19, so guess he's not it.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4656191)
Junior Noboa in 1984 was the last Indians teenager. Others since Feller - Alfredo Griffin, Jack Heideman, Mike Hedlund, Ralph Gagliano, Sam McDowell, Tommie Agee, Mike Lee, Kenny Kuhn, Hank Ruszkowski, Ted Sepkowski, and Vern Freiburger.

The Cubs have had 13 teenagers since Cavaretta.
   9. Kiko Sakata Posted: February 13, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4656208)
Without checking, Ron Santo for the Cubs? (I had thought Starlin Castro was 19 when he debuted, but checking, I find that he'd turned 20 two months before his debut)
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 12:15 PM (#4656223)
Santo was 20 as well. This Cub played for seven teams - the Cubs were the team he played the fewest games with. They traded him before his 20th birthday.
   11. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 13, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4656231)
The Cubs had seven other teenagers in the decade before the trivia answer, including a 17-year-old and two other 18-year-olds, but then they stopped bringing them up that young.
   12. salvomania Posted: February 13, 2014 at 12:57 PM (#4656255)
Dick Hughes is tied for having the 14th-best winning percentage all-time (min. 25 decisions) at .690, a hair behind Whitey Ford. (Another birthday boy, Reds' reliever Logan Ondrusek, is in 11th place all time, at .692.)

Hughes has the distinction of leading the league in WHIP in his only full season (1967), at 0.95; he tore his rotator cuff in 1968 and never pitched in the majors after that.
   13. esseff Posted: February 13, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4656256)
The baseball rules committee held an informal session and agreed to some rather important changes in the playing code. Hereafter a coacher will not be allowed to touch a runner rounding their base.


I saw a Cardinals runner, I think Andy Van Slyke, called out on this rule after third-base coach Chuck Hiller helped him to his feet and pushed him toward home after a throw to third base got away. The strange thing about the play was that no call was made until opposing manager Chuck Tanner came out to argue/point out the interference. It's not supposed to be an appeal play. This would have been 1983 or early '84.
   14. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 13, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4656263)
#13--The Twins won a game a couple years ago when a baserunner's fingertips just ever so lightly grazed the third base coach's hand as he was rounding third base with two outs in the 9th inning, down by a run. Umpire ruled interference, and the game was over.

Story, with video.
   15. esseff Posted: February 13, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4656265)
Dick Hughes is tied for having the 14th-best winning percentage all-time (min. 25 decisions) at .690, a hair behind Whitey Ford. (Another birthday boy, Reds' reliever Logan Ondrusek, is in 11th place all time, at .692.)

Hughes has the distinction of leading the league in WHIP in his only full season (1967), at 0.95; he tore his rotator cuff in 1968 and never pitched in the majors after that.


Hughes pitched one of the most memorable games I saw (on TV), this one. He threw six perfect innings, after which there was a rain delay not mentioned in the pbp. He came back after the delay to pitch a perfect seventh, before giving up two runs in the eighth. Vada Pinson drove in the first with a check-swing bloop double to left and scored the second. Then, the Cardinals put the first two on in the ninth before hitting into a game-ending triple play (Cepeda broke late from third).
   16. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: February 13, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4656269)
The Rays traded Jose Lobaton to Washington and got SP Nate Karns back. I'd never heard of him before but just eyeballing his minor league numbers he looks a really interesting arm, if old for his levels.
   17. esseff Posted: February 13, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4656270)
That's a dicey call in #14 since the rule says the runner is out when the coach "physically assists" him, not just touches him.
   18. just plain joe Posted: February 13, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4656274)
Santo was 20 as well. This Cub played for seven teams - the Cubs were the team he played the fewest games with. They traded him before his 20th birthday.


Would it be Oscar Gamble? I'm pretty sure he played in MLB as a 19 year old but don't really remember for which team.
   19. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4656279)
Gamble is correct! The last teen Cubbie, back in 1969. Then they traded him to Philly for Johnny Callison.

The last teen Red Sox was reliever Mike Garman (Ken Brett and Tony Conigliaro were a few years earlier).
   20. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 13, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4656306)
When baseball didn't work out for Garman, he invented GPS.
   21. JJ1986 Posted: February 13, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4656359)
Final details:
#Rays acquire RHP Nathan Karns from @Nationals for catcher Jose Lobaton, LHP Felipe Rivero, OF Drew Vettleson.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 03:09 PM (#4656374)
The A's have had more teenagers in franchise history than anyone else - 69. Baltimore is second with 45.

Four teams have had just one. Can you name their only teenager:

Arizona:
Kansas City:
Miami:
Tampa Bay:

The Royals teenager was technically 20 when he made his debut, the rest were all legit teenagers.

Bonus: The Blue Jays have only had two. Can you name them? Both debuted as teenagers.
   23. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 13, 2014 at 03:09 PM (#4656375)
I'm not positive, but I think the Rays just got more from the Nats for their backup catcher than the Tigers got for Doug Fister.
   24. JJ1986 Posted: February 13, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4656381)
Marlins: Miguel Cabrera?
Rays: BJ Upton?
   25. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 13, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4656392)
Also, BOOK IT:

Nathan Eovaldi will have an All-Star caliber season in 2014. I'm excited to see what he can do over a full year.
   26. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4656404)
Upton is correct. Miggy was 20 when he debuted (and 20 by BBRef season.)

Ooh, I finally found a Royals teenager. His BBRef season is 20, but he was 19 when he debuted.
   27. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 13, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4656443)
I think the Diamondback was Edgar Gonzalez, who was the first MLB player younger than me.
   28. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4656457)
Edgar was 20 when he debuted. The correct answer is closer to JJ's answer.
   29. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 13, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4656477)
Is one of the Blue Jays guys Manny Lee?
   30. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 04:55 PM (#4656502)
No, but same position.
   31. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 13, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4656505)
No, but same position.


Who are you responding to?
   32. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4656510)
The teenager is the same position as Manny Lee (middle infielder). I thought for a second they were teammates on the Texas Rangers, but they were three years apart.
   33. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4656514)
The teenager is the same position as Manny Lee (middle infielder). I thought for a second they were teammates on the Texas Rangers, but they were three years apart.


OK, but Manny Lee was 19 when he debuted for the Blue Jays. Are there two others besides him?
   34. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4656515)
Justin Upton debuted 22 days before his 20th birthday
   35. Mike Webber Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:12 PM (#4656523)
I thought Clint Hurdle was the Royal, but that isn't correct. I got it on my third guess, and then kicked myself that I didn't remember it.
   36. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:20 PM (#4656531)
Oh, so he was. Somehow I missed Manny Lee. Sorry! There are two others apparently.

Justin UPton is the D-Backs guy.

I thought Hurdle was the answer too, but apparently there is another pretty famous Royal that debuted as a teen.
   37. JJ1986 Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4656535)
Saberhagen?
   38. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:23 PM (#4656538)
Sabes it is! He debuted a week before his 20th birthday. Andres Blanco debuted a week after his 20th birthday. Hurdle debuted two months after his 20th birthday.

The Marlins guy is another prominent MLBer.

The two Blue Jays guys aren't. One spent 4+ years as a utility infielder. The other caught 2 games at the age of 18 and never played in the big leagues again.
   39. Kiko Sakata Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:27 PM (#4656543)
The Marlins guy is another prominent MLBer.


Josh Beckett?
   40. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:31 PM (#4656548)
No. Involved in their other WS title.
   41. Kiko Sakata Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:34 PM (#4656553)
Edgar Renteria?
   42. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2014 at 05:39 PM (#4656557)
Bingo. Renteria debuted at just 19 years, 9 months old.

The Jays guys are Fred Manrique and Brian Milner. Manrique was a journeyman IF. Milner was an 18 year old catcher in 1978. He was a 7th round pick, played 51 games for Rookie League Medicine Hat, then got called up to catch two games. He went 4 for 9! But he floundered the next four years in the minors and was done, never to return to the bigs.
   43. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: February 13, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4656617)
RIP Fregosi
   44. BochysFingers Posted: February 13, 2014 at 08:16 PM (#4656623)
RIP Fregosi

damn, sorry to hear this.
   45. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 13, 2014 at 08:26 PM (#4656628)
Manrique was a journeyman IF.
He was traded for Wilson Alvarez, one of the teens mentioned in yesterday's thread. Nobody talks about the Manrique part of that trade though. Not many people talk about the Alvarez part either.
   46. salvomania Posted: February 13, 2014 at 08:29 PM (#4656631)
The Jays guys are Fred Manrique and Brian Milner.

And Manuel Lee, who debuted a couple months before his 20th birthday.

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