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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-14-2018

Bridgeport Times, February 14, 1918:

Before moving New York’s big baseball show from the Waldorf to the Walcott the National League went on record yesterday as condemning the practice of certain club owners in announcing that they have intentions of buying certain star players from certain other clubs.

This, of course, was aimed at Charles F. Weeghman, president of the Chicago club, for his alleged announcement in the case of Rogers Hornsby, the star shortstop of the St. Louis Cardinals.
...
[Branch Rickey] complained right out loud that the officials of the Chicago club had used unsportsmanlike and unethical methods in giving to the newspapers announcements that Weeghman was willing to pay great sums of money for Hornsby, to the great damage and injury of the St. Louis organization.
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[Cubs representative Walter Craighhead said that] Mr. Weeghman had not given the story to the papers that he would pay great sums of money for Hornsby…and he further declared that the Chicago club knew nothing officially as to how the rumors got afloat.

Then Mr. Rickey asserted that he had seen photographic copies of the Chicago club’s letters in the Hornsby case in the hands of newspaper men, and stuck to his original charge.

Serious question: When did the blood feud between the Cubs and Cardinals begin? Is the Hornsby embroglio the start of the rivalry that still exists today?

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 09:58 AM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5624790)
Today's Birthday Team has a deep, strong bullpen. These guys may struggle to score a bunch of runs, but they'll keep the leads they do get.

C: Earl Smith (14.39 WAR)
1B: Tim Jordan (11.24 WAR)
2B: Larry Milbourne (-0.35 WAR)
3B: Joe Gerhardt (6.84 WAR)
SS/Manager: Arthur Irwin (15.08 WAR)
LF: Candy LaChance (11.05 WAR)
CF: Len Gabrielson (1.73 WAR)
RF: Augie Bergamo (3.11 WAR)

SP: Pretzels Getzien (18.17 WAR)
SP: Dave Dravecky (14.13 WAR)
SP: Red Barrett (10.33 WAR)
SP: Oscar Judd (7.91 WAR)
SP: Buddy Lively (3.24 WAR)
RP: Tyler Clippard (12.7 WAR)
RP: Takashi Saito (10.67 WAR)
RP: Damaso Marte (10.46 WAR)

CEO: Howard Lincoln
General Manager: Early 20th Century Bob Quinn
Broadcasters: Mel Allen, Dave Sims, Ken Levine
Negro Leagues catcher, not much bat but reputed to be excellent defensively: Frank Duncan
Fun names: Buddy Lively, Harry Eells, Callix Crabbe, Uel Eubanks
   2. Batman Posted: February 14, 2018 at 10:16 AM (#5624804)
Earl Smith got a Hall of Fame vote twice, in 1948 and 1956. A few other eventual Hall of Famers got exactly one vote in those two years, including Joe Medwick in 1948, when he was still active.
   3. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 11:18 AM (#5624860)
I've never really understood why nobody gave Smith a starting job. The two seasons he was anything like an everyday catcher, he hit .313 and .346, and then the Pirates gave his job to Johnny Gooch.

I can't think of a recent comparison. Jerry Willard or Mike Redmond but much better?
   4. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 14, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5624863)
Anthony Castrovinceā€ @castrovince
Very sad to report the passing of John Patsy "Tito" Francona, the former All-Star outfielder and the father of Terry Francona. He was 84. @Indians @MLB
   5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5624865)
Argh. RIP, Tito. A Cleveland favorite.
   6. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 11:41 AM (#5624879)
Argh. RIP, Tito. A Cleveland favorite.

a born DH (but born 25 years too early)

RIP
   7. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 14, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5624886)
RIP, Tito. Your birthday card was my introduction to the knowledge that there was a place called Aliquippa, PA.
   8. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: February 14, 2018 at 12:00 PM (#5624902)
Baseball star George Brett is exactly as old as Mike Krzyzewski was the day he past Bobby Knight as the NCAA's winningest basketball coach (23,651 days).


Anyone who wants to look up as-old-as stuff for themselves can do so here.
   9. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 14, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5624963)
Valentine's Day Team:

c- Gabby Hartnett
1b - Richie Sexson
2b - Cupid Childs
3b - Jim Ray Hart
ss - Jimmy Sexton
lf - Sandy Amoros
cf - Crush Holloway
rf - Ellis Valentine
sp- Ron Darling
sp - Sugar Cain
sp - Bruce Kison
sp - Ron Romanick
rp - Chuck Hartenstein
rp - Slim Love

mgr - Bobby Valentine

The Bench:

c - Rick Sweet
1b - Wally Joyner
2b - Bobby & Pete Rose
3b - Sugar Bear Rayford
ss - Bobby Wine
ss - Jake Flowers
of - Corey Hart
of - Hal Peck
of - Rob Deer
util - Tommy Matchick
ph - Mike Epstein and Mose Solomon (submitted by Ms. E. Litella)
p - Jimmy Ring
p - Scott Diamond
p - Steve Parris

Walkup music: You Gotta Have Heart

   10. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 14, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5624976)
Fred Valentine should be on the bench, too.
   11. Batman Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5624993)
There have been some good players nicknamed "Babe" who would fit on the team.
   12. The Ghost of Logan Schafer Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:58 PM (#5625020)
Candy Maldonado?
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5625023)
Throw in Mike Hartley as another bullpen arm.
   14. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5625029)
Yes, I was looking at Babe Dahlgren as the backup first baseman.

BB-Ref has Floyd Rayford listed as "Honey Bear," which I don't recall for him.
   15. Batman Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5625032)
Rick Honeycutt

And, for almost half of the population, the holiday is all about Dick Pole.
   16. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5625041)
BB-Ref has Floyd Rayford listed as "Honey Bear," which I don't recall for him.
I remember seeing it on an APBA card back in the day, but don't recall ever having heard it otherwise. I also remember George Brett having "Mullet" listed as a nickname on an APBA card for some reason.
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5625043)
And, for almost half of the population, the holiday is all about Dick Pole.

And, for smaller percentages, Albert Pujols, Charlie Furbush or Doug Fister.
   18. Perry Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:20 PM (#5625044)
BB-Ref has Floyd Rayford listed as "Honey Bear," which I don't recall for him.


Almost certain Tom Boswell referred to him as Honey Bear in an Orioles piece in one of his collections. (Not to be confused with Roger "Dancing Bear" Freed, which Baseball-Reference doesn't have but which I know for a fact Cardinals' announcers called him.)
   19. Batman Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:24 PM (#5625048)
And, for smaller percentages, Albert Pujols, Charlie Furbush or Doug Fister.
And Footer Johnson.
   20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:27 PM (#5625050)
And Footer Johnson.

And Barry Foote. Or either Randy Johnson, I suppose, to go the other way with it.
   21. Batman Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:30 PM (#5625053)
Heathcliff Slocumb.




I don't have anything to add to that.
   22. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:37 PM (#5625058)
BB-Ref has Floyd Rayford listed as "Honey Bear," which I don't recall for him.

I do; it was a thing.
   23. Man o' Schwar Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5625070)
BB-Ref has Floyd Rayford listed as "Honey Bear," which I don't recall for him.

I do; it was a thing.


Ditto. It's the first thing I think of when I think of Floyd Rayford.
   24. Hysterical & Useless Posted: February 14, 2018 at 05:26 PM (#5625158)
Rusty Kuntz. If she's out of practice.
   25. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 14, 2018 at 05:34 PM (#5625167)
Heathcliff Slocumb.




I don't have anything to add to that.

I don't think you need to. You already won.
   26. Batman Posted: February 14, 2018 at 05:39 PM (#5625174)
Rusty Kuntz. If she's out of practice.
She should hang out with Rusty Peters.
   27. esseff Posted: February 14, 2018 at 06:12 PM (#5625194)
Orioles and Cardinals worked a Floyd Rayford for Tito Landrum trade during the 1983 season and then undid it the following spring, with the players reverting to their old teams.
   28. AndrewJ Posted: February 14, 2018 at 09:00 PM (#5625281)
Today's strong Birthday Team bullpen can sleep in whenever Red Barrett's pitching -- he famously threw a 58-pitch complete game in August 1944. That 2-0 game was over in 75 minutes. #paceofplay
   29. Mike Emeigh Posted: February 14, 2018 at 11:29 PM (#5625320)
Orioles and Cardinals worked a Floyd Rayford for Tito Landrum trade during the 1983 season and then undid it the following spring, with the players reverting to their old teams.


Tito Landrum got a World Series ring out of it, adding to the one he got a year earlier, although he wasn't on the postseason roster.

-- MWE

EDIT: Was thinking about 1985 for some reason rather than 1982.

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