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Thursday, February 20, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-20-2014

Milwaukee Journal, February 20, 1914:

Frank Chance, manager of the New York American league baseball team, saved the lives of his brother-in-law, Carl Pancake, formerly a Chicago newspaper man, and two other men in the floods caused by the storm Wednesday.

Pancake and two companions, Charles Gordon and Samuel Riser, were riding in a motor car when a retaining wall gave way and loosed upon them a wall of water five feet deep. The car was overturned and the men swept through an orchard near Chance’s place.

Chance witnessed the accident, and, procuring ropes, floated them down to where the imperiled men were clinging to trees. All managed to grasp the ropes and were dragged to safety.

Obligatory Nomar Reference.

So many questions: “Carl Pancake”? What were the chances the person in the car would be related to Chance? Chance just happened to have rope handy?

Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: February 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, frank chance, history, pancakes

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   1. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: February 20, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4659534)
Today's Birthday Team features two Tigers 20-game winners:
C: Brian McCann
1B: Tom O'Brien
2B: Frankie Gustine
3B: Harry Raymond
SS: Charlie Babb
LF: Shane Spencer
CF: Sam Rice
RF: Tommy Henrich

SP: Justin Verlander
SP: Bill Gullickson
SP: Livan Hernandez
SP: Clyde Wright
SP: Dave Davenport
RP: Roy Face

RP/PH: Derek Lilliquist
Megaprospect: Jurickson Profar
Quad-A Speedster: Donzell McDonald
Too good not to mention: Muddy Ruel
Negro Leagues Great: John Donaldson
   2. BDC Posted: February 20, 2014 at 10:46 AM (#4659543)
Profar has serious arm trouble at the moment, we may have to downgrade him to Medium Prospect.

Muddy Ruel, indeed, he was a very solid player. No power to speak of for his era but high average, could run a little, strong defensive reputation. Kind of a Manny Sanguillen profile – wow, Sanguillen's career is now almost as far in the past as Ruel's was to Sanguillen.

   3. Nasty Nate Posted: February 20, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4659581)
Who is better in a keeper fantasy baseball league, Ryan Braun or Felix Hernandez? (Can keep them for an unlimited time)
   4. Steve N Posted: February 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4659604)
Ruel also walked a lot as Sanguillen didn't. What do you mean no power? He 4 times hit as many a 1 home run!
   5. Davo Dozier Posted: February 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4659618)
Once I learned of Roy Face's 18-1 won-loss record as a reliever in 1959, my goal would always be to see how easily I could replicate that if I were the manager of a (simulated) baseball team.

Answer: Pretty easy. Of course, in real life, my starting pitchers would have murdered me by June, sick of always being pulled with 2 outs in the 5th inning every start.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4659770)
TRIVIA: There is one .300 hitter in the last 100 years who qualified for the batting title, and had a single-digit walk total. It happened in the Wild Card era. Can you name him? He was a regular for over a decade, and never drew more than 30 walks in a season. HINT: NOT NEIFI PEREZ.
   7. JJ1986 Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4659779)
Gary DiSarcina?
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4659781)
No, but same position.

BREAKING: Chris Capuano to the Red Sox 1/$2.25
   9. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4659782)
My first guess was Ozzie Guillen, but he never hit .300 or had less than 10 walks in a full season, and most of his batting-title qualifying years were pre-wild card. Other than that, I nailed it.
   10. PreservedFish Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:24 PM (#4659783)
I guess Deivi Cruz and Shea Hillenbrand and Mark Quinn, but it looks like I was wrong.
   11. tfbg9 Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:24 PM (#4659784)
Not GS. I was gonna guess Mariano Duncan, but no.
   12. Davo Dozier Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4659785)
I will guess..... Shawon Dunston or Randall "Sausage Killer" Simon.
   13. tfbg9 Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4659786)
BREAKING: Chris Capuano to the Red Sox 1/$2.25


Solid depth signing. Now sign Drew.
   14. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4659787)
Mike Caruso? I don't think he played for a decade, but that's all i got.
   15. ASmitty Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4659788)
I'm still going to guess Neifi Perez.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4659789)
Dunston is correct. .300 in 1997 with EIGHT count em EIGHT walks. He finished at .300/.312/.451, one of his better seasons. He played that year with the Cubs and Pirates. I have no memory of him playing with the Pirates.
   17. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4659790)
Play Index says Tuck Stainback's 377 PA in 1934 qualified for the batting title. Tuck Stainback.
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:30 PM (#4659793)
Play Index says Tuck Stainback's 377 PA in 1934 qualified for the batting title. Tuck Stainback.


Oops, I clicked 500 PAs instead of "qualified for batting title." I do that a lot. So yea, there are some other guys back in the early 20th century that technically qualify too.

Deivi Cruz and Randall Simon each drew 13 walks in a .300 season.

Felix Fermin drew 11 walks in 1994 with a .317 average. Carlos Baerga drew 10 that year, hitting .314.
   19. tfbg9 Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4659799)
He was a regular for over a decade


I dunno 'bout that. He had 500+ PA's only 7 times.
   20. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:38 PM (#4659802)
21-year-old Roberto Clemente had a 13-BB, .311 season in 1956.
   21. Davo Dozier Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4659818)
Carlos Baerga drew 10 that year, hitting .314.
Remember when everyone thought he was going to be a superstar?

Did they not notice that he had a 10-walk season?
   22. BDC Posted: February 20, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4659824)
Well, to be fair, when Baerga hit 10 walks in '94 his career had already peaked and was going down (albeit he was 25 and people still had high hopes). His walk rate was a promising 7% when he was 22. It went from there to 5% and then to 2% at age 25. Not much later, he was toast.

I've been concerned about Elvis Andrus's walk rate marching downward since age 21: 9%, 8.5%, 8%, 7.5% in succeeding years. But he's still higher than Baerga ever was.
   23. tfbg9 Posted: February 20, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4659849)
In '95, Mariano Duncan played for two teams, Cincy and Philly. In his time with the Phils, in 201 PA's, he had a lower OBP than BA: .285 vs .286, believe it or not.
   24. Mike Webber Posted: February 20, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4659866)
Who is better in a keeper fantasy baseball league, Ryan Braun or Felix Hernandez? (Can keep them for an unlimited time)


It's really close, but I keep King Felix. Braun (30) is two years older and has the suspension hanging over him.

I think for the next 2-3 years Hernandez is better - by the time Braun is probably better, neither one is likely to be a great player still.
   25. Walt Davis Posted: February 20, 2014 at 05:15 PM (#4659904)
On Dunston ... kinda

Regular in 86; hurt but also some minors time in 87; regular 88-91; intended starter but injured almost all of 92-93; strike in 94 but was losing playing time so probably would have fallen short of 500 PA; bench in 96; qualified in 97. So depends how you want to count all that missed time. Between injury and strike, Dunston missed about 400 games of his prime.

Why the Cubs were playing Dunston in 97 is a mystery. They had the better-fielding Dunston clone Jose Hernandez and the great-fielding no-hitting Rey Sanchez. A washed-up Dunston was about the last thing that team needed.
   26. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 20, 2014 at 05:23 PM (#4659910)
The Pirates acquired him as part of a "conditional deal." I'm guessing cash? Dunston was having a superficially decent year by old school stats - .284 AVG 9 HR 41 BI and 29 SB by the end of August. Pittsburgh picked him up because - and I completely forgot this - they were actually in a race. They were just 2.5 games back of Houston by the end of August. They would end up 79-83, but just 5 games out of first.
   27. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 20, 2014 at 05:56 PM (#4659942)
I found this in the Chicago Herald about the Pirates trade:
If the Cubs and the Pirates can't agree on the player to be named in the Shawon Dunston deal, the Cubs will receive $100,000 in cash, a source said Monday.

But that is not the hope of Cubs GM Ed Lynch. His preference is to come to an agreement this off-season with the Pirates, who will pay the final $333,000 of Dunston's 1997 salary.

One article said the PTBNL could be Lou Collier, but he stayed with the Pirates through 1998. There was also a Spring Training 1998 article about Tony Womack's emergence as the star of a faceless Pirates team.
   28. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: February 20, 2014 at 07:14 PM (#4659984)
If the Cubs and the Pirates can't agree on the player to be named in the Shawon Dunston deal, the Cubs will receive $100,000 in cash, a source said Monday.

That sort of thing isn't that unusual...PTBNL turning into cash.

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