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Friday, February 23, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-23-2018

Bridgeport Times, February 23, 1918:

Charles H. Weeghman, President of the Chicago Cubs, last night served notice on players regarded as “holdouts” that unless they come to terms before the departure of the club for the spring training camps, early next month, they would be obliged to seek other employment.
...
[Weeghman:] “The club cannot afford to pay enormous salaries and the players should be made to understand the situation confronting the owners.

Yeah, gosh, I wonder where people got the crazy idea that Weeghman had a giant pile of cash he wanted to spend on ballplayers.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 10:24 AM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 10:24 AM (#5629449)
A solid core of position players on today's Birthday Team, which is a good thing because the pitching is terrible. Ray Brown is a Hall of Famer, then there's quite a drop to Scott Elarton as the #2 starter.

C: Mike Tresh (3.17 WAR)
1B: Bobby Bonilla (30.02 WAR)
2B: Ken Boswell (5.53 WAR)
3B: Ron Hunt (32.64 WAR)
SS: Rudy Hulswitt (1.22 WAR)
LF: Elston Howard (27.03 WAR)
CF: Rondell White (28.11 WAR)
RF: Roy Johnson (16.6 WAR)

SP: Ray Brown (0 WAR)
SP: Scott Elarton (2.53 WAR)
SP: Grant Thatcher (0.44 WAR)
SP: Luke Prokopec (0.43 WAR)
SP: Lou Lowdermilk (-0.4 WAR)
RP: Juan Agosto (1.45 WAR)

Fun name: Jaff Decker
Owner: Barney Dreyfuss
   2. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 23, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5629456)
Games start today: this is my annual statement of thanks to Dan Lee for doing these every day. They help quite a bit in bridging the gap from World Series to spring games.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 10:32 AM (#5629458)
Games start today: this is my annual statement of thanks to Dan Lee for doing these every day. They help quite a bit in bridging the gap from World Series to spring games.

Seconded. Thanks Dan!
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5629460)
My pleasure. Speaking of annual statements, I'd like to remind people that Scoreboard.GQ is still available for all your "every baseball score, updated live, in one place, with no advertising" needs.

It's probably my favorite thing I've ever made. (Note: My children are adopted. Somebody else made them.)
   5. Batman Posted: February 23, 2018 at 10:39 AM (#5629464)
Well, damn. If you're willing to outsource the making of your children so you can spend more time on Scoreboard.GQ and the Birthday Teams, you're even more of a credit to this site than I thought.
   6. oscar madisox Posted: February 23, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5629482)
It's my favorite thing you ever made, too!


   7. catomi01 Posted: February 23, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5629594)
watching the Yankees pre-game right now, and they're doing a segment on Stanton. I don't know anything about scouting, and it obviously works - but doesn't it look like Stanton really cuts off his swing abruptly? It looks like (to me anyway) he's almost intentionally stopping his follow through earlier than it would naturally.
   8. BDC Posted: February 23, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5629607)
Every time that Mike Tresh had 500 or more plate appearances, he was named on an MVP ballot – this is true (so far) of Mike Trout, but not of Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, or Barry Bonds. Of course in Tresh's case this was two seasons' worth.

Tresh basically couldn't hit, so he must have been seen as a heck of a defensive catcher. Moving Elston Howard to the outfield today is maybe not just a technicality (Howard was a great athlete).

And I will add to the thanks for this terrific feature of BBTF, Dan!
   9. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5629608)
Nice Mets connection on the infield...
   10. JJ1986 Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5629614)
The long winter is over; I've got the Mets playing on MLB.tv!
   11. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5629619)
Every time that Mike Tresh had 500 or more plate appearances, he was named on an MVP ballot – this is true (so far) of Mike Trout, but not of Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, or Barry Bonds. Of course in Tresh's case this was two seasons' worth.


It's true of Stan Musial, 18 for 18.
   12. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5629631)
Umpired my first HS game of the season last night. The home team fell apart in spectacular fasion to lose the game. In the top of the 7th (the games are 7 innings), tie game, the runner from first tries to steal. Bang, bang play, I call him safe. The fielders took the contrary position. While arguing with me, the SS disgustingly threw the ball back to the pitcher, who was not paying attention becuse he too was arguing with me. The ball rolled past the catcher who didn't see it either because he too was yelling at me. The runner came around to score what proved to be the winning run.

Of course, according to the fans, it was all my fault. Which, on the one hand, is somewhat understandable. Had I made the correct call (in their mind), the shenanagins that happened after never would have. But on the other, it's such a counter-productive action. Once the players get it in their heads, reinforced by their teammates, coaches, and parents, that the umpires are against them, they have license to not try, because it's not their fault.

The worst was the father of the pitcher. He kept yelling, "Don't worry about it B, you're doing great. You can't help it if the umpires are against you." The great job that pitcher did that inning was to allow 3 hits, throw 2 WP, drop a foul popup, and have a hand in allowing the go ahead run to score because he stoppped playing baseball to yell at me. It was a miracle they allowed only one run.

   13. Astroenteritis Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5629647)
Games start today: this is my annual statement of thanks to Dan Lee for doing these every day. They help quite a bit in bridging the gap from World Series to spring games.


Same here. Really enjoy the birthday teams. My birthday is coming up in a few days and memory serves that it's one of the worst collection of players, so I'm eagerly anticipating the lineup.
   14. TDF, trained monkey Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5629660)
Every time that Mike Tresh had 500 or more plate appearances, he was named on an MVP ballot – this is true (so far) of Mike Trout, but not of Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, or Barry Bonds. Of course in Tresh's case this was two seasons' worth.

It's true of Stan Musial, 18 for 18.
Ted Williams - 18 seasons of >12 PA, 18 seasons of MVP votes (votes in seasons of 110 (!), 331, 390, and 416 (twice) PA).
   15. Brian Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5629662)
Has there been any discussion or revelation about why MLB is opening on Thursday this season I don't remember having the whole league starting on a Thursday, maybe in Japan once but all of MLB?
   16. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5629663)
Really enjoy the birthday teams. My birthday is coming up in a few days and memory serves that it's one of the worst collection of players, so I'm eagerly anticipating the lineup.


My birthday team is similar to this one. A HOF CF, 3 other position players with 20-30 career WAR. One solid (but nowhere close to HOF) SP, and a bunch of drek in the rest of rotation and pen.
   17. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5629670)
Ted Williams - 18 seasons of >12 PA, 18 seasons of MVP votes (votes in seasons of 110 (!), 331, 390, and 416 (twice) PA).


Williams had a miserable penultimate season, .254 BA, 114 OPS+, -0.2 WAR, and yet got a MVP vote.
   18. Batman Posted: February 23, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5629761)
Last season was the first time Miguel Cabrera didn't get any MVP votes, including his rookie year, which was his only sub-500-PA season.

Joe Dimaggio got votes in all 11 of his 500 PA seasons and in a 329-PA season. His last season (482 PA) was the only time he didn't get a vote.
   19. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 23, 2018 at 04:22 PM (#5629779)
If I thank Dan, do I owe all previous thankers a beverage? Regardless, it's worth it -- Thanks, Dan.

Wyler's and Grain Alcohol for the lot of ya. (Go to party formula in college)
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: February 23, 2018 at 06:22 PM (#5629850)

watching the Yankees pre-game right now, and they're doing a segment on Stanton. I don't know anything about scouting, and it obviously works - but doesn't it look like Stanton really cuts off his swing abruptly? It looks like (to me anyway) he's almost intentionally stopping his follow through earlier than it would naturally.


I've always thought that was peculiar about his swing.
   21. AndrewJ Posted: February 23, 2018 at 09:24 PM (#5629898)
Every time that Mike Tresh had 500 or more plate appearances, he was named on an MVP ballot – this is true (so far) of Mike Trout, but not of Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, or Barry Bonds. Of course in Tresh's case this was two seasons' worth.


It's true of Stan Musial, 18 for 18.


Willie McCovey only had eight 500+ PA seasons in his 22-year career, but Stretch got MVP votes in all of them.
   22. The Ghost of Logan Schafer Posted: February 24, 2018 at 12:33 AM (#5629939)
Is Greg Maddux the best base stealing pitcher since 1945 with his 11 SB and only 3 CS?
   23. Batman Posted: February 24, 2018 at 02:04 AM (#5629942)
Bob Gibson is the only modern pitcher with more steals than Maddux, but he was caught ten times in his 23 attempts.

Zach Greinke is 5 for 5. No other recent pitcher has stolen that many without being caught.
   24. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 24, 2018 at 06:54 AM (#5629946)
Brian,the players asked for a few more days off during the season during the last Clan negotiations. So now Opening Day and weekend becomes a 4 day holiday!
   25. eric Posted: February 24, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5629956)
#12--cross high-school umpire off my list of jobs I would ever consider.
   26. VCar Posted: February 24, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5630005)
Miserlou, it's amazing how coaches allow the idea that umps cost their team a game and tell their players that they got screwed. I've been coaching HS & MS agewd kids in rec ball for a long time, and I see that attitude from coaches, players and parents way too much. Umping is a thankless job that doesn;t pay very much. When a call goes against us in a tight game, I've had my share of brief arguments with umps, but always remind my team that you can't blame the ump for 1 missed call when we made 4 errors, struck out in a key situation (instead of cutting down on swing and putting ball in play), brain-farted on defense, etc. There's something each player could have done better to earn/prevent 1 more run, and that applies to me as the coach too - I could have called for a bunt/steal, changed pitchers, moved defenders, etc. So I've learned to chill out on umps about judgment calls and only argue rule misinterpretations.
   27. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 24, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5630011)
#12--cross high-school umpire off my list of jobs I would ever consider.


It's not a job. It's a hobby/community service.
   28. Nasty Nate Posted: February 24, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5630015)
Were they mad you didn't call time after the SB attempt? I don't remember if time is generally called in between events in HS baseball.
   29. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 24, 2018 at 02:31 PM (#5630028)
Were they mad you didn't call time after the SB attempt?


No

I don't remember if time is generally called in between events in HS baseball.


It's not.

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