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Tuesday, February 25, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-25-2014

Toledo News-Bee, February 25, 1914:

The White Sox and Giants were aboard the Orontes, nearing the equator. Half the party had been summoned on deck to watch the crossing of the line. Joe Benz thought he saw it in the distance, but Steve Evans declared it was high water and the equator was submerged.

An argument arose and the matter was appealed to Umpire Klem.

“Is it in or out at this season?” demanded Steve.

“I cannot make a decision,” replied Klem; “I didn’t see it.”

This has to be apocryphal, right? I bought the story until the umpire said he didn’t see it.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 25, 2014 at 09:48 AM | 64 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 25, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4661945)
An excellent group of position players on today's Birthday Team:
C: Johnny Kling
1B: Cesar Cedeno
2B: Howard Earl
3B: Ron Santo
SS: Jack Lohrke
LF: Monte Irvin
CF: Andy Pafko
RF: Paul O'Neill

SP: Denny Lemaster
SP: Al Hollingsworth
SP: Ed Lynch
SP: Jim Britt
SP: Dana Kiecker
RP: Ken Dayley

Manager: Bob Brenly
General Manager: Syd Thrift
Owner: Jerry Reinsdorf
   2. BDC Posted: February 25, 2014 at 09:59 AM (#4661946)
If you were to draw up a 25-man roster of Chicago Cubs, 1876-present, Santo would of course be a starter. Kling might well be the second catcher, Pafko the fourth or fifth outfielder.
   3. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:14 AM (#4661958)
MLB At Bat app released today. It seems to be an update on the 2013 app rather than an entirely new app this year.
   4. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:15 AM (#4661959)
A quick-and-dirty all-time Cubs roster, compiled by a guy (me) who's fairly indifferent to the Cubs:

C: Hartnett
C: Kling
1B: Anson
1B: Chance
2B: Sandberg
2B: Evers or Herman (Pick one, they're interchangeable.)
3B: Santo
3B: Hack
SS: Banks
SS: Tinker
OF: Williams
OF: Sosa
OF: Ryan
OF: Nicholson
OF: Wilson

P: Jenkins
P: Brown
P: Alexander
P: Root
P: Reuschel
P: Vaughn
P: Hutchinson
P: Griffith
P: Smith
P: Clarkson

College of Coaches: Anson, Chance, McCarthy, Grimm
   5. BDC Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4662001)
Ha, College of Coaches indeed :)

Interesting roster, Dan – Jimmy Ryan is just a name to me, maybe not even that, and Nicholson I'd discount some because of the war, though he was a fine player. Other OF candidates are Kiki Cuyler (if the Cubs can claim him over Pittsburgh) and Jimmy Sheckard (ditto wrt Brooklyn) and Andre Dawson (ditto Montreal). The heart of Pafko's career was postwar in Chicago, though it wasn't a very long stretch.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:10 AM (#4662006)
   7. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4662012)
C: Hartnett
C: Kling
1B: Anson
1B: Chance
2B: Sandberg
2B: Evers or Herman (Pick one, they're interchangeable.)
3B: Santo
3B: Hack
SS: Banks
SS: Tinker
OF: Williams
OF: Sosa
OF: Ryan
OF: Nicholson
OF: Wilson

P: Jenkins
P: Brown
P: Alexander
P: Root
P: Reuschel
P: Vaughn
P: Hutchinson
P: Griffith
P: Smith
P: Clarkson


All time Cub seasons by Cubs who aren't on the list above:

C - Rick Wilkins 1993
1B - Derrek Lee 2005
2B - Rogers Hornsby 1929
SS - Bill Dahlen 1896
3B - Harry Steinfeldt 1906
LF - Hank Sauer 1952
CF - Andy Pafko 1948
RF - Kiki Cuyler 1930

SP - Greg Maddux 1992
SP - Mark Prior 2003
SP - Dick Ellsworth 1963
SP - Bill lee 1938
RP - Bruce Sutter 1977
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:35 AM (#4662035)
TRIVIA: Seven players have hit 30+ homers in a season the same year they hit 10 or fewer doubles. All took place between 1950-1985.

Can you name them? Six of the seven are All-Stars, one is a HOFer.
   9. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4662042)
The answer to any strange home run trivia question is always Dave Kingman. So I'll say Dave Kingman did it in seven different disguises.

An eighth guy did it in 2000. He didn't qualify for the batting title, so that might be why he's missing from the other search.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4662045)
Correct. Kingman slugged 37 homers with just 9 doubles in 1982 for the Mets.
   11. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4662046)
I know Ken Phelps always had silly double-to-HR ratios, but I don't think he ever played enough to hit 30 dingers.

Ron Kittle?
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:50 AM (#4662050)
Daryl Throneberry
   13. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4662054)
Thinking back to freak HR seasons by slow guys who couldn't have legged out a double even if they wanted to: Did Gus Triandos ever hit 30? I know he was on Home Run Derby at one point and I know he had the footspeed of a glacier with two broken legs.
   14. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:53 AM (#4662056)
Cedeno was born in 1951, along with Winfield, Dwight Evans, Parker, Blyleven, Gossage. Their careers spanned 1970-1995. I think it would be cool to come up with MVPs, Cy Youngs or some such for a birth year class like this (hint, hint).
   15. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4662057)
TRIVIA: Seven players have hit 30+ homers in a season the same year they hit 10 or fewer doubles. All took place between 1950-1985.


Harmon Killebrew

Is the guy in 2000 Mark McGwire?
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:55 AM (#4662060)
Triandos is correct. 30 HR, 10 doubles in 1958.

Yep, McGwire is the 2000 guy, forgot to turn off the "qualify for batting title" button. 32 HR and 8 doubles in 2000.
   17. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4662063)
Cool idea, Rennie. I know my Birth Year will have one of the best left sides of any Birth Year infield, though I don't think there's a ton of depth.
   18. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4662065)
McGwire had 61 HR, 55 singles, and 12 doubles in his last two years.
   19. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 25, 2014 at 12:43 PM (#4662106)
18--How many triples? ;)
   20. Mike Emeigh Posted: February 25, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4662113)
1955 team. I like it.

1B Jack Clark
2B Wayne Tolleson
3B Ted Cox
SS Robin Yount
LF Jeffrey Leonard
CF Dwayne Murphy, Willie Wilson
RF Chet Lemon
C Mike Heath, Bruce Benedict
UTIL Mickey Hatcher, Todd Cruz

SP Jack Morris
SP Mike Scott
SP Danny Darwin
SP Jim Clancy
SP Bryn Smith
RP Jeff Reardon
RP Dave Smith
Lefty/Righty Specialist Greg Harris
MGR Bruce Bochy

-- MWE
   21. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 25, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4662151)
Thinking back to freak HR seasons by slow guys who couldn't have legged out a double even if they wanted to: Did Gus Triandos ever hit 30?

Thinking back to big slow guys named Gus: Gus Zernial?

My other guess iso Rn Kittle.
   22. Good cripple hitter Posted: February 25, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4662153)
MLB Network Spring training schedule. Lots of baseball.


I really needed some good news today and I'll certainly take "MLB Network is showing over 200 spring training games, including a live Jays / Phillies game tomorrow".
   23. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4662170)
Stargell?
   24. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4662181)
Roger Maris had just 16 doubles in 1961, so I'm gonna guess he did it some other year for the Yankees.
   25. BDC Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4662182)
I was born (1959) in the heart of a lousy era for pitchers:

C Brian Harper
1B Greg Walker
2B Ryne Sandberg
3B Brook Jacoby
SS Jose Uribe
OF Jesse Barfield
OF Tim Raines
OF George Bell
DH Harold Baines
everyday UT: Tony Phillips
CF caddy & Toronto Trifecta: Lloyd Moseby

SP Bill Gullickson
SP Danny Cox
SP Mike Morgan
SP Mike Moore
SP Oil Can Boyd
RP Tim Burke
RP Todd Worrell
   26. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4662185)
Gus Zernial is correct - 30 HR and 9 doubles in 1955.

Kittle, Stargell and Maris are not correct.

The list is, in chronological order:

1. Tied with Larry Doby to become the first African-American in the AL to hit 30 HR in a season.
2. Gus Zernial, 1955
3. Gus Triandos, 1958
4. Played in an oddly-shaped field, with left field fences almost 400 feet away. Led to him leading the league in triples once.
5. Said he owed his success to "expansion pitching, a short right-field fence, and my hollow bats."
6. Led the league in doubles four times, despite hitting just ten doubles with 34 HR at age 38.
7. Dave Kingman, 1982
8. Mark McGwire, 2000
   27. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4662199)
1. Elston Howard?
4. Was there someone else named Gus?
5. That must be Norm Cash.
6. Jimmy Wynn?
   28. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4662202)
My team--the 1985 guys!

C: Jarrod Saltalamacchia
1B: Daniel Murphy
2B: Matt Carpenter
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Asdrubal Cabrera
LF: Adam Jones
CF: Carlos Gomez
RF: Carlos Gonzalez
DH: Josh Donaldson
UT: Neil Walker, Darwin Barney
1b: Mitch Moreland
4th OF: Yoenis Cespedes, Jon Jay
Most career hits: Delmon Young!

SP: David Price
SP: Gio Gonzalez
SP: Justin Masterson
SP: Jeff Samardzija
SP: John Danks / Bud Norris / Matt Harrison
RP: Chris Perez
RP: David Robertson
RP: Ernesto Frieri
RP: Eric O'Flaherty
CL: Greg Holland
   29. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4662211)
Cash is correct, not the rest.
   30. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4662213)
1974 will have to talk its starting shortstop into playing another position.

C Jason Kendall/ Bengie Molina
1B Richie Sexson/ Sean Casey
2B Jose Vidro/ Jamey Carroll
3B Mike Lowell
SS Derek Jeter/ Miguel Tejada/ Orlando Cabrera
LF Shannon Stewart/ Geoff Jenkins/ Hideki Matsui
CF Darin Erstad/ Randy Winn
RF Bobby Abreu/ Magglio Ordonez/ Trot Nixon
SP: Kevin Millwood, Jarrod Washburn, R.A. Dickey, Matt Clement, Kris Benson
RP: Joe Nathan, Ugueth Urbina, Braden Looper, Billy Koch, Ray King
   31. Sweatpants Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4662227)
1) Luke Easter
6) Henry Aaron?
   32. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4662228)
My 1975 team would have a shot to win it all in a Birthyear League:
C: Jose Molina, Rod Barajas
1B: David Ortiz, Derrek Lee
2B: Placido Polanco, Luis Castillo
3B: Scott Rolen, Carlos Guillen
SS: Alex Rodriguez, Marco Scutaro
LF: J.D. Drew, Richard Hidalgo
CF: Torii Hunter, Mark Kotsay
RF: Vladimir Guerrero

SP: Tim Hudson, Chris Carpenter, Hiroki Kuroda, Livan Hernandez, Doug Davis
RP: Francisco Cordero, Rafael Betancourt, Scot Shields, B.J. Ryan, Brian Fuentes

Just missed: Koji Uehara, Damaso Marte
214th best player in terms of WAR (out of 214) born in 1975: Daryle Ward
   33. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4662230)
Luke Easter and Hank Aaron are correct!

Easter hit 31 HR, 10 doubles in 1952

Aaron hit 34 HR, 10 doubles in 1972

Norm Cash hit 32 HR 10 doubles in 1971.

The last guy with the quirky stadium also served as a manager for a different franchise (kind of?), but in the same city.
   34. crict Posted: February 25, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4662287)
The 1979 team. Good guys everywhere except middle infield and the bullpen. But not many stars.

C: Carlos Ruiz
1B: Ryan Howard/ Kevin Youkilis
2B: Juan Uribe
3B: Adrian Beltre
SS: Jason Bartlett
LF: David DeJesus
CF: Coco Crisp
RF: Jayson Werth
DH: Adam Dunn
Bench: Adam LaRoche, Jason Willingham, Clint Barmes, Akinori Iwamura, Gerald Laird

SP: Johan Santana, Mark Buehrle, Brandon Webb, Jon Garland. Fight for 5th spot: Eric Bedard, Aaron Cook, Jeremy Guthrie
RP: Rafael Soriano, Byung-Hyun Kim, Brad Ziegler, Jeremy Affeldt, Frank Francisco

Pitcher/pinch hitter: Rick Ankiel
   35. crict Posted: February 25, 2014 at 04:17 PM (#4662313)
I can't edit, but it's of course Josh Willingham.
   36. salvomania Posted: February 25, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4662344)
1963 team is pretty damn good.

C: Mike Stanley
1B: Fred McGriff
2B: Mariano Duncan
3B: Edgar Martinez
SS: Walt Weiss
LF: Dante Bichette
CF: Lenny Dykstra
RF: Paul O'Neill
DH: Mark McGwire
Bench: Cecil Fielder, Mike Greenwell, Ken Caminiti, Bobby Bonilla, Lance Johnson, Shawon Dunston, Jose Oquendo

SP: Randy Johnson, David Cone, David Wells, Terry Mulholland, Jeff Fassero
RP: Bobby Thigpen, Bryan Harvey, Jeff Brantley, Norm Charlton

I had forgotten how good Fassero was as a starter with the Mariners and Expos.
   37. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 25, 2014 at 04:53 PM (#4662346)
The last guy with the quirky stadium also served as a manager for a different franchise (kind of?), but in the same city.

On the basis that one of these guys must be a catcher, I'll say Del Crandall.
   38. salvomania Posted: February 25, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4662384)
The last guy with the quirky stadium also served as a manager for a different franchise (kind of?), but in the same city.

I cheated and looked him up, and I never would have guessed this guy.

He played in 12 seasons, but almost all his playing time---88% of his plate appearances---came within a six-year period.
   39. Chris Fluit Posted: February 25, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4662403)
Al Rosen?
   40. God Posted: February 25, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4662405)
My 1977 team is full of guys who are now, like me, just about over the hill:

C Brandon Inge
1B Travis Hafner
2B Mark Ellis
3B Eric Chavez
SS Rafael Furcal
LF Juan Pierre
CF Andruw Jones
RF Carlos Beltran

P Roy Halladay
P Roy Oswalt
P Kerry Wood
P Mark Mulder
P Bronson Arroyo
RP Fernando Rodney
   41. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4662408)
The correct answer was Jim Lemon. 38 HR and 10 doubles in 1960 for Washington Senators, Take I. Managed in 1968 for the Washington Senators, Take II.
   42. dr. scott Posted: February 25, 2014 at 06:01 PM (#4662411)
1971 team has a couple of superstars and 3-4 potential HOFers. Pretty deep lineup, but not a lot of consistency in the back end starters.

C: Irod, Posada
1B: Jason Giambi
2B: Ray Durham
3B: Bill Mueller
SS: Rich Aurilia
LF: Ryan Klesko
CF: Carl Everett
RF: Raul Mondesi
DH: Brian Giles
Bench: Charles Johnson, Mark Loretta, Phil Nevin, Kevin Millar
SP: Pedro Martinez, Estaban Loaiza, Miguel Batista,Jose Contreras, Elmer Dessens
RP: Billy Wagner, Brendon Donnelly, Matt Miller, Lou Pote, Rich Garces, Brian Moehler

Only one player was born on my birthday... Travis Driskil, who had a much longer career than one would expect given his numbers, and being 30 when he first came up, 9 years after he was drafted. Interestingly Donnelly also came up when he was thirty. Contreras was the oldest... but that would be expected.

Edit: And its an All Bay Area Infieled!!!
   43. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: February 25, 2014 at 06:03 PM (#4662412)
'73: Solid lineup, not so great staff.

C Mike Sweeney
1B Todd Helton
2B Edgardo Alfonzo
3B Casey Blake
SS Nomar Garciaparra
LF Johnny Damon
CF Mike Cameron
RF Ichiro!
Bench: Eli Marrero, and some of Corey Koskie, Tony Batista, Aaron Boone, the first Alex Gonzalez, and Dmitri Young

On the mound, career WAR says: Bartolo Colon, Derek Lowe, Jason Schmidt, Ismael Valdez, Chan Ho Park, Octavio Dotel, Justin Thompson, Ryan Franklin, John Thomson, Brett Tomko, Bob Howry, Shawn Estes.
I'd add Danny Graves ahead of one of the grubby starters, and would consider Justin Speier and Antonio Osuna.

Manager: Brandon Hyde (one game for the fish in '11)
   44. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 06:11 PM (#4662418)
You guys should do it by Zodiac signs next.
   45. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 25, 2014 at 06:12 PM (#4662420)
Interestingly Donnelly also came up when he was thirty.

I thought Donnelly was a guy who played in Japan and then came back to the USA at 30. Nope!

Donnelly's minor league career:
1992: White Sox GCL team
1993: Cubs NY-Penn team
1994: Ohio Valley Redcoats
1995-98: Reds organization (4 levels)
1999: Nashua Pride
1999: Pirates AA team
1999: Devil Rays AAA team
1999: Blue Jays AAA team
2000: Blue Jays AAA team
2000: Cubs AAA team
2001: Angels organization (AA and AAA)
2002: Angels (promoted to the majors)

Note that in all that time he was never part of a trade. He was released by a major-league organization, becoming a free agent, eight times (including twice by the Reds).

He was released by the White Sox less than a year after they drafted him!
   46. Mike Emeigh Posted: February 25, 2014 at 06:29 PM (#4662433)
On further review for the 1955 team, I'd take Damaso Garcia at 2B over Wayne Tolleson.

Some other bench players: Lee Mazzilli, Rusty Kuntz, Ruppert Jones, Andres Mora, Pat Kelly. A lot of decent outfielders, not a single even half-decent 3B in the bunch.
Some second-line starters: Ross Baumgarten, Floyd Bannister, Ed Whitson, Lary Sorensen, Shane Rawley. That's not an awful second-line rotation.

Baseball-Reference has Dennis Martinez with a 1954 birth date, but the version of the Lahman DB that I have has him as being born in 1955. Obviously El Presidente would be in the rotation for this team over Bryn Smith.

Others:

Primate: Bob Tufts (I never realized we were born in the same year.)
Postseason Hero: Brian Doyle
Lost Talent: David Clyde
Pitching Coach: Ray Searage
Backup managers: Ned Yost, Jim Tracy
Semi-famous guy: Tom Chism. Clem Comly was the first to refer to players who were the listed starter at a position, got one plate appearance in the top of the first, then were replaced in the field in the bottom half as "Chisms".

-- MWE

EDIT: And I now see that BB-Ref has Damaso Garcia's birth date as 1957. Lahman has it as 1955.
   47. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 25, 2014 at 06:50 PM (#4662442)
All Born-In-Mexico team!

C: Alex Trevino
1B: Erubiel Durazo
2B: Bobby Avila
3B: Aurelio Rodriguez
SS: Ruben Amaro, Sr.
LF: Karim Garcia
CF: Mel Almada
RF: Jorge Orta
DH: Vinny Castilla
No-hit, Good Glove back-up shortstops: Mario Mendoza, Juan Castro, Hector Torres, Benji Gil, Luis Gomez (what the hell is going on?!?!?!)
Super-Utility player: Alfredo Amezaga
Backup Catcher: Geronimo Gil

SP: Fernando Valenzuela
SP: Teddy Higuera
SP: Ismael Valdez
SP: Esteban Loaiza
SP: Yovani Gallardo
RP: Sid Monge
SP: Luis Ayala
RP: Ricardo Rincon
RP: Dennys Reyes
CL: Joakim Soria
   48. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 25, 2014 at 07:03 PM (#4662457)
All Born-In-Japan team!

C: Kenji Johjima
1B: Jim Bowie
2B: Tadahito Iguchi
3B: Akinori Iwamura
SS: Kaz Matsui
LF: Dave Roberts
CF: Nori Aoki
RF: Ichiro Suzuki
DH: Hideki Matsui

Bench: Kosuke Fukudome, So Taguchi, Muneori Kawasaki, Tsuyoshi Shinjo.

SP: Hideo Nomo
SP: Hiroki Kuroda
SP: Yu Darvish
SP: Hishashi Iwakuma
SP: Daisuke Matsuzaka
RP: Koji Uehara
RP: Shigetoshi Hasegawa
RP: Takashi Saito
RP: Akinori Otsuka
RP: Steve Chitren
CL: Kazuhiro Sasaki
   49. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: February 25, 2014 at 07:15 PM (#4662467)
All Born-In-Japan team!

1B: Jim Bowie


Oh?
   50. AndrewJ Posted: February 25, 2014 at 07:17 PM (#4662468)
The 1968 team is scary good, with or without 'roids:

C Mike Piazza
1B Jeff Bagwell
2B Roberto Alomar
3B Dean Palmer
SS Jose Offerman
LF Gary Sheffield
CF Bernie Williams
RF Sammy Sosa
DH Frank Thomas

Bench Jeff Kent, John Olerud, Matt Stairs, Jose Vizcaino, J.T. Snow, Tim Salmon

P Mike Mussina
P Scott Erickson
P Ramon Martinez
P Darryl Kile
P Pat Hentgen
RP Todd Jones
RP Rod Beck

Fan Me
   51. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 25, 2014 at 07:23 PM (#4662476)
All Born-At-Sea team!

P Ed Porray
   52. Walt Davis Posted: February 25, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4662486)
1961 is off to a bad start ... 4 of the top 5 position players in terms of WAR:

Mattingly, Galarraga, Kruk, Glenn Davis. Mattingly's gonna have to play 2B. :-)

And the 5th guy is Greg Gagne, not exactly a world-beater.

For crying out loud, Randy Milligan, a lumbering 1B, is 7th.

Seriously, best I can do:

C: Mark Bailey or Bob Melvin or Mark Prince (about 7 career WAR among them)
1B: Mattingly
2B: Spike Owen
SS: Greg Gagne
3B: Steve Buechele
LF: Vince Coleman
CF: Henry Cotto
RF: Kruk
DH: Galarraga

bench: Davis, Dan Pasqua, Mike Sharperson, Casey Candaele I guess ... or career pinch-hit leader Lenny Harris.

Seriously, the #23 WAR for position players born in 1961 is PITCHER Bill Swift with 2.1. Pitcher Kevin Gross is #25 and pitcher Rick Aguilera is #29.

At least with the pitching I don't have to worry about having 10 at the same position: Key, Belcher, Gross, Aguilera, Swift, Storm Davis, Jeff Russell, McCaskill, Mike Henneman. Henneman and Russell at their peaks is a nice bullpen combo.

I already had one of the worst birthdays* but it never occurred to me the entire birth year kinda sucked.

* Again, especially on position players where the best is Doc Lavan with 9.4 WAR and the #3 guy is Frank Smith who was a mostly pitcher. Bob Melvin and Lenny F Harris share my birthday. Things aren't so bad on the pitching side with respectable careers from Bob Veale, Juan Guzman, Johnny Rigney, Smith with Sammy Stewart and Braden Looper in the pen. Seems Lenny Harris threw an inning at some point and Tim Bogar 2. Lenny put the side down in order and K'd one.

EDIT: It occurs to me I may be confusing Milligan with Cal Pickering in terms of body shape.
   53. AndrewJ Posted: February 25, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4662487)
All Died-At-Sea team

MGR: Earl Weaver
   54. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 25, 2014 at 08:02 PM (#4662494)
I'll go to war with my 1887 team:

C: Bill Killefer
1B: Doc Johnston
2B: Eddie Collins
3B: Heinie Zimmerman
SS: Jack Barry
LF: Shoeless Joe Jackson
CF: Clyde Milan
RF: Harry Hooper
DH: Cy Williams
Bench: Donie Bush, Eddie Foster, Tillie Walker, Fred Snodgrass, Ping Bodie

SP: Walter Johnson
SP: Pete Alexander
SP: Dick Rudolph
SP: Ray Fisher
SP: Bob Harmon
RP: Doc Crandall
CL: Gene Packard
   55. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 25, 2014 at 08:09 PM (#4662497)
Seriously, the #23 WAR for position players born in 1961 is PITCHER Bill Swift with 2.1. Pitcher Kevin Gross is #25 and pitcher Rick Aguilera is #29.
The #1 WAR for position players from 1895 is a pitcher who pretty much stopped pitching when he was 24. He must have gotten hurt or something and drifted into obscurity.
   56. God Posted: February 25, 2014 at 08:15 PM (#4662498)
All Died-At-Sea team

MGR: Earl Weaver


SS: Arthur Irwin
RF: Roberto Clemente
SP: Nub Kleinke

If you loosen the definition of "died at sea" a little, you could add Jim Delahanty, Jim Fregosi, and Frank Castillo.
   57. dr. scott Posted: February 25, 2014 at 08:24 PM (#4662501)
its comforting to know that God has great command of death stats.
   58. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 25, 2014 at 08:33 PM (#4662504)
If you loosen the definition of "died at sea" a little, you could add Jim Delahanty, Jim Fregosi, and Frank Castillo.
And Steve Olin and Tim Crews.
   59. God Posted: February 25, 2014 at 08:52 PM (#4662515)
I meant Ed Delahanty, of course. For all I know, Jim Delahanty died a natural death at home surrounded by his loving family.
   60. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 25, 2014 at 09:26 PM (#4662526)
Okay, guys. My wife talked to an approximately 80 year old ex-pitcher who had a stroke recently, near Philly. Thoughts?

EDIT: She said he was 6'5"
   61. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:14 PM (#4662569)
60--

Best guess? Dallas Green. He is a 6'5'', 80 year-old former pitcher who currently has an executive job with the Phillies, so one would assume he still lives near Philadelphia. I don't see any reports of a stroke however.

Here's a list of the 33 pitchers who were born between 1931 and 1937, were over 6'4'', and are still alive.

Ron Necciai (who famously struck out 27 people in a professional game) fits the age and height requirements and still lives near Philadelphia, as does Don Schwall.
   62. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: February 26, 2014 at 06:47 AM (#4662644)
The 1960 team: We fear no left-handed batter.
C: Mickey Tettleton
1B: Kent Hrbek
2B: Steve Sax
SS: Cal Ripken Jr.
3B: Howard Johnson
LF: Andy Van Slyke
CF: Kirby Puckett
RF: Tony Gwynn
Bench: Joe Carter, Chili Davis, Mike Lavalliere, Terry Pendleton, Harold Reynolds

SP: Fernando Valenzuela
SP: Mark Langston
SP: Frank Viola
SP: Ron Darling
SP: Tom Browning
Swing: Mark Davis
CL: John Franco
RP: Roger McDowell
RP: Mark Eichhorn

   63. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 26, 2014 at 09:32 AM (#4662662)
Davo, I threw out Chris Short and Dallas Green to her, forgetting that Short died in 1991. :(
It's not Green, as that would be big news in this part.
Then again, maybe he was hitting my wife and just made up the part about being a former "professional pitcher". Or he did a year in rookie ball.

EDIT: Since she works in a doctor's office, she didn't look at the sign-in sheet. Ethics or something. :)
   64. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 26, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4662787)
Then again, maybe he was hitting my wife
Not even a stroke excuses that.

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