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Friday, February 02, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-2-2018

Philadelphia Evening Public Ledger, February 2, 1918:

Sisler Could Lead All Hitters if He Waited

The batting record of George Sisler would indicate that if he would wait out the pitching, Cobb might not have led the sluggers last season.
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Examination of the records shows Sisler hits too freely, thus hits at a lot of bad balls. Where Cobb received sixty-five bases on balls and Speaker seventy, Sisler walked thirty times.
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When Sisler learns to wait and to hit the “cripple” he should hit over .400 right along.

George Sisler and Ichiro could hit .400 if they wanted to.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 02, 2018 at 09:47 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 02, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5617833)
There aren't any great position players on today's Birthday Team, but there's a pile of good ones to go along with an impressive pitching staff.

C: Mike Garbark (1 WAR)
1B: Pat Tabler (3.03 WAR)
2B/Manager: Red Schoendienst (42.25 WAR)
3B: Willie Kamm (35.23 WAR)
SS: Adam Everett (12.6 WAR)
LF: Don Buford (36.27 WAR)
CF: Melvin Mora (28.21 WAR)
RF: Ray Demmitt (5.23 WAR)

SP: Wes Ferrell (61.64 WAR)
SP: John Tudor (34.62 WAR)
SP: Scott Erickson (25.13 WAR)
SP: Orval Overall (23.27 WAR)
SP: Jason Vargas (15.86 WAR)
RP: Sheldon Jones (4.69 WAR)

Cult hero: Buddy Biancalana
Designated knuckleballer: Jared Fernandez
Fun name: Hub Hart, Herb Juul, Puchy Delgado, Zeb Eaton, Charlie Frisbee, Mutz Ens
Hall of Famer: George Halas
Old-school Primer character: Paul Kilgus
   2. GGC Posted: February 02, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5617855)
Pat Tabler had 1/4 the WAR that Adam Everett did?
   3. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 02, 2018 at 10:22 AM (#5617861)
The time to sign up for MLB . TV is approaching. I was planning to do it this year for the first time. Anyone have any recommendations? Have there been any announcements or changes for this year? If I sign up now, will there be anything to watch?
   4. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 02, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5617867)
If you are a veteran, you get a 30% discount on MLB TV.
   5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 02, 2018 at 10:37 AM (#5617874)
Pat Tabler had 1/4 the WAR that Adam Everett did?
Positional adjustments, I imagine. Everett is in the top 100 all-time in dWAR according to BBRef.

Tabler was a weird player. He put together a 12-year MLB career as a 1B/DH with a career 99 OPS+. I'm a hair too young to remember him as a young player with the Cubs - does anyone remember what he looked like as a 2B/3B? Seems like he would have been a ton more useful there than at first base.
   6. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 02, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5617878)
He was terrible
   7. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 02, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5617880)
Pat Tabler:
6 Rbat (average hitter)
-10 Rbaser/Rdp (bad baserunner)
-46 Rfield
-61 Rpos (penalty for being a 1B/DH/LF)
Result: -110 RAA --> -11.2 wins below average --> 3.0 WAR

Adam Everett:
-141 Rbat (bad hitter)
16 Rbaser/Rdp (good baserunner)
116 Rfield
39 Rpos (extra points for being a SS)
Result: 31 RAA --> 2.9 wins above average --> 12.6 WAR

Even without the positional adjustment Everett would be ahead.

Conclusion: stats reveal surprisingly bad defense by Pat Tabler, who at the time was seen as just, you know, Pat Tabler, typical first baseman kind of guy, does the same things on defense as any other first baseman.
   8. esseff Posted: February 02, 2018 at 10:43 AM (#5617881)
No "great position players," but the oldest living Hall-of-Famer. Happy 95th to the Redhead.
   9. stanmvp48 Posted: February 02, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5617887)
Not an obvious Hall of Famer, is he. Most similar player in baseball-reference is Tony Fernandez
   10. GGC Posted: February 02, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5617889)
I mainly remember Tabler as a guy you wanted up with the bases loaded.
   11. puck Posted: February 02, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5617891)
Sisler Could Lead All Hitters if He Waited


Naturally I mis-read this in the Ichiro-style.
   12. phredbird Posted: February 02, 2018 at 11:25 AM (#5617923)
Willie Kamm was one of the players that Lawrence Ritter interviewed for 'Glory of Their Times' ... damn that's a great book.
   13. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 02, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5617928)
I mainly remember Tabler as a guy you wanted up with the bases loaded.

109 PAs--489 /505 /693 slash line ; 108 ribbies (only 2 dingers)
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 02, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5617931)
George Sisler and Ichiro could hit .400 if they wanted to.

Yeah, but Ichiro would never hit a cripple.
   15. GGC Posted: February 02, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5617939)
That's almost a 400 QEQA for Tabler in that situation.
   16. shoewizard Posted: February 02, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5617945)
Well, the writer wasn't wrong was he ? After having a 5% walk rate his first three years, Sisler had a 6.5% walk rate the next 4, and of course did end up having two seasons batting .400. So thats cool.
   17. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 02, 2018 at 02:26 PM (#5618151)
Sisler Could Lead All Hitters if He Waited


Naturally I mis-read this in the Ichiro-style.


I was right there with you. It even got me thinking about the guy who started with the "Ty Cobb could have hit homers if he wanted to" meme. I think it was James Weisberg maybe? He started as a troll, but morphed into a solid contributor and then disappeared. I don't know if this was all rsbb or he became a primate for a short while.
   18. RMc's Daps of the Dope Artists Posted: February 03, 2018 at 06:04 PM (#5618782)
Red Schoendienst

I've long since given up trying to remember the proper pronunciation of the man's name (\SHANE-deenst\, according to B-Ref), so in my head I hear something like "SKANE-den-eest".

EDIT: Or "SHOW-en-DIE-est". Yikes.

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