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Monday, February 03, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-3-2014

Milwaukee Sentinel, February 3, 1914:

...baseball on ice is getting to be as popular a diversion in Milwaukee as elsewhere. Every afternoon on the upper Milwaukee river, opposite Blatz park, members of the Milwaukee Hockey league, all expert and fast skaters, meet for a game of sides. Indoor baseball rules and an indoor baseball are used and plenty of excitement as well as close play develops during the afternoon.

Indoor baseball is pretty much just softball.

First two picks of the Ice Baseball League draft: Tom Glavine and Kirk McCaskill. Lonnie Smith went undrafted.

Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 03, 2014 at 08:59 AM | 60 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 03, 2014 at 09:02 AM (#4650595)
It's Fred Lynn, Slim Sallee, and a bunch of blah on the Birthday Team.

C: Lou Criger
1B: Lucas Duda
2B: Skip Schumaker
3B: Joe Stripp
SS/Manager: Dick Tracewski
LF: Eric Owens
CF: Fred Lynn
RF: Bake McBride

SP: Slim Sallee
SP: 1970s Joe Coleman
SP: Buck Ross
SP: Harry Byrd
SP: Don Kaiser
RP: Mike Wallace

General Manager: Larry MacPhail
Fun Names: Chicken Hawks, Live Oak Taylor
Not that one: Terry Bradshaw
   2. BDC Posted: February 03, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4650630)
Trivia time. In some thread or other yesterday, it was noted that Robin Yount only made three All-Star teams. That's kind of amazing, because he was MVP twice, so he has one of the higher ratios of MVPs won to AS Teams made – though of course nothing can be higher than Kirk Gibson's Infinity.

Yount was not an All-Star in 1989, when he won his second MVP. Gibson was of course not an All-Star in 1988. There are nine other players to win an MVP in a year when they weren't even named to an All-Star Team – in the All-Star era (1933-44 and 1946-present), naturally.

Here are the nine others in chronological order, with hints:

1. Third-best at his position for his league and era
2. Ex-Negro-Leaguer back from the military
3. Famous for wearing a scary helmet
4. Elder member of #3's family
5. Led a worst-to-first charge
6. Many of the flies he hit were Gone
7. Beat two 60-HR guys
8. Second-best player with his initials on his own team
9. Known for guaranteeing pennants and sometimes being right
   3. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:03 AM (#4650634)
Eric Owens was one of 4 guys on the 1999 San Diego Padres to steal 30+ bases that year--the only team to do that in the past 25 years.

The 4 players? Eric Owens (33 steals), Reggie Sanders (36), Quilvio Veras (30), Damian Jackson (34).
   4. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:03 AM (#4650635)
5 Terry Pendleton
7 Chipper
9 Jimmy Rollins
   5. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4650638)
2 Mays
   6. BDC Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:06 AM (#4650641)
Pendleton, Jones, and Rollins are correct. Mays is not (he was an All-Star in both his MVP seasons).
   7. Guapo Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4650649)
6 Juan Gonzalez
8 Morneau
   8. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4650651)
3 and 4
Denny Mclain and Lou Boudreau? Kind of a stretch, but the only related MVPs I can think of.

Oh, I just got it. Dave Parker and Wille Stargell.
   9. BDC Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4650653)
Correct on Gonzalez, Morneau, Parker, and Stargell!
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:27 AM (#4650654)
2. Don Newcombe?
   11. BDC Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4650660)
Newcombe, yes.

The hint in #1 is probably a matter of opinion, though a commonly-held one. #1 is a HOFer anyway, but left off a very early AST, in a year when his club went on to win the pennant.
   12. BDC Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4650665)
I can't find much of a pattern in why these MVPs weren't All-Stars, incidentally. Most did have great second halves, but most were well-known players who had fairly good first halves. Just the vagaries of public opinion, I guess.
   13. Morty Causa Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:45 AM (#4650674)
The All-Star selection is ####. And it used to be a lot worse.
   14. Sweatpants Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4650676)
Is #1 Greenberg?
   15. BDC Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:55 AM (#4650687)
Hank Greenberg, yes: not an All-Star in 1935. Neither was Jimmie Foxx, who would share the home-run title with him that year. Gehrig started, played all nine innings, and what the heck else did you need :)
   16. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:56 AM (#4650689)
As much as I like to see everybody appear in the All-Star Game, it seems totally appropriate that Gehrig would have played all nine innings.
   17. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4650691)
4 more ASG questions:

Most ASG without winning a MVP (1 player)

Most ASG seasons without winning a MVP (2 more in addition to #1)

Was an All Star every season of his career

Was an All star only in MVP season (2 players)

I'm pretty sure there's only 2 for #4, but I might have missed someone.

#'s 1 and 2 mean merely being on the roster, not necessarily appearing in the game.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:04 PM (#4650699)
2. Ozzie?
   19. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4650730)
Ripken? Did he ever win an MVP award?
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4650733)
Did he ever win an MVP award?


He won two, I believe (83 and 91, maybe)
   21. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4650735)
Gah, it's embarrassing that I didn't know that. Thanks.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:35 PM (#4650737)
Was an All Star every season of his career


Kaz Sasaki?

   23. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4650741)
1. Bill Dickey?

2. Ozzie Smith is a good guess. I'll guess Brooks Robinson then.

3. Mickey Mantle

4. Willie Hernandez, Don Baylor
   24. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:41 PM (#4650747)
Most ASG without winning a MVP (1 player)
BRobby?
   25. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4650749)
Ozzie and Baylor are correct.
   26. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4650750)
Brooks was MVP in 1964
   27. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4650751)
4. Kevin Mitchell?
   28. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4650753)
Mantle was not an all star in 1951 nor 1966. Dickey pre-dates the ASG and also missed 1935. Both good guesses though.
   29. flournoy Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4650758)
Was an All Star every season of his career


This is the most interesting one to me. I think SoSH is on the right track with Kaz Sasaki, it's got to be someone like him or Mark Fidrych, Satchel Paige (both incorrect), with careers cut short for unusual circumstances.
   30. SoSH U at work Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4650759)
1. Eddie Mathews?

   31. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4650760)
Wow, Albert Pujols hasn't made an ASG the past three years. Would not have guessed that.
   32. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4650761)
This is the most interesting one to me. I think SoSH is on the right track with Kaz Sasaki, it's got to be someone like him or Mark Fidrych, Satchel Paige (both incorrect), with careers cut short for unusual circumstances.


Not Koufax, not Munson, not Puckett (Kirby comes close though).
   33. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4650765)
Mathews is incorrect.
   34. BDC Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4650767)
I'll guess Mariano Rivera (13 selections) for the most ASGs without an MVP.
   35. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:54 PM (#4650768)
Trying my best not to read the other guesses, here's my shot at it:

Most ASG without winning a MVP (1 player)

Tom Seaver or Warren Spahn

Was an All Star every season of his career

Joe DiMaggio is the obvious guess. If not him, maybe Indian Bob Johnson? I remember learning a few months ago that he literally never had a bad season in his career: He never missed more than a handful of games, and retired as soon as he started to slip.

Was an All star only in MVP season (2 players)

Boy, that's a good one. How about Zoilo Versalles and Jim Konstanty?
   36. SoSH U at work Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4650770)
1. Al Kaline?
   37. flournoy Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4650771)
Clarification: I assume that the "every season" guy is retired, right? Otherwise Bryce Harper, Yu Darvish, and possibly others qualify.
   38. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4650772)
DiMaggio and Konstanty are correct
   39. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4650776)
Kaline is correct. 15 seasons, like Smith and one other, 18 games.
   40. puck Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4650780)
DiMaggio and Konstanty are correct

Hmm, I was just going to guess Jeff Burroughs, but he was a 3-time AS.
   41. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: February 03, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4650801)
40--Hey, someone had to represent those awful Ranger teams!
   42. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4650804)
mm, I was just going to guess Jeff Burroughs, but he was a 3-time AS.

40--Hey, someone had to represent those awful Ranger teams!


Actually, Burroughs was a 2 time all star, and the second time as a Brave.
   43. SoSH U at work Posted: February 03, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4650932)
Most ASG seasons without winning a MVP (2 more in addition to #1)


Is he retired? Because Jeter has got to be closing in on Ozzie (and he's probably a safe bet to never win an MVP).
   44. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4650981)
Jeter's got 13 ASGs. Yes, the player is retired.
   45. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 03, 2014 at 06:39 PM (#4651032)
DiMaggio and Konstanty are correct

Going on the Konstanty theme, how about Willie Hernandez as the other answer to that question?

Edit: Wow, Hernandez was already guessed and both correct answers to that one have been given. Cokes to many, many people.
   46. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 03, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4651035)
For the still-open question, Eddie Murray?
   47. SoSH U at work Posted: February 03, 2014 at 08:56 PM (#4651087)
Tony Gwynn?

   48. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 03, 2014 at 10:08 PM (#4651138)
Tony Gwynn?

Gwynn appears to be correct - every year from '84 to '99, with the exception of '88.
   49. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:21 PM (#4651172)
Yes, Gwynn is correct. Warren Spahn was mentioned and he has 14. One more question.

Players with at least 4 ASG in each league (6 players).
   50. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:27 PM (#4651177)
Frank Robinson
Dave Winfield
Nolan Ryan
Mark McGwire
Rich Gossage
Ken Griffey Jr
   51. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:43 PM (#4651186)
Robinson and Winfield are correct. The others aren't.
   52. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 04, 2014 at 12:01 AM (#4651191)
Pedro Martinez?
Gary Sheffield?
Paul Molitor?
   53. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 04, 2014 at 12:04 AM (#4651192)
Wait, the Brewers were in the AL when Molitor was there. Not him.
   54. Rafael Bellylard: A failure of the waist. Posted: February 04, 2014 at 12:14 AM (#4651193)
Lee Smith
Pedro Martinez
Randy Johnson
Gary Sheffield
   55. SoSH U at work Posted: February 04, 2014 at 12:58 AM (#4651201)
Gaylord Perry?

   56. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: February 04, 2014 at 01:37 AM (#4651208)
rick suttcliff? (sp)?
Eckersly?
   57. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: February 04, 2014 at 01:39 AM (#4651209)
Mitch williams?
   58. AndrewJ Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:27 AM (#4651226)
Rollie Fingers?
   59. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 04, 2014 at 08:30 AM (#4651231)
Morning all. On the overnight guesses, RJ and Pedro are correct. 2 to go, both have exactly 4 in each league.
   60. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 04, 2014 at 10:28 AM (#4651285)
Fergie Jenkins
Doug Jones

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