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Tuesday, February 04, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-4-2014

Milwaukee Journal, February 4, 1914:

Leonard L. (King) Cole, who recently jumped organized baseball and signed a three-year contract with the Chicago Federal league club, has jumped back to the New York Americans. Cole signed a one year contract with the Yankees yesterday for $3,300, the figures named by Cole to President Farrell on Dec. 23, which Farrell duly accepted.

The salary is the same as that stipulated in the Chicago Federal league contract, which Cole signed in Chicago on Dec. 30. The acceptance of Cole’s terms constitutes a legal contract under baseball law, according to Farrell.

An indecisive old soul was he. Cole wound up pitching cromulently for the 1914 and 1915 Yankees, but succumbed to tuberculosis in January 1916.

And I wonder if baseball law is anything like Bird Law.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 04, 2014 at 09:02 AM | 86 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 04, 2014 at 09:09 AM (#4651236)
Not a lot of offense on today's Birthday Team, but at the very least, they have a Future Star.

C: Eddie Ainsmith
1B: Tim Pyznarski
2B: Germany Schaefer
3B: Possum Whitted
SS: Rob Picciolo
LF: Lefty Davis
CF: Steve Brye
RF: Doc Miller

SP: Doug Fister
SP: Rollie Naylor
SP: Joe Sparma
SP: Rankin Johnson
SP: Doug Slaten
RP: Dan Plesac

Settle down, Beavis: Rusty Kuntz
   2. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: February 04, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4651242)
Last night on yesterday's dugout I posted another ASG question. 6 players have at least 4 ASGs in each league. 4 have been named: Frank Robinson, Dave Winfield, Pedro Martinez, and Randy Johnson.

One more.

Of the top 16 players in ASG appearances, everyone with 15 or more, all but one were exclusively in one league. Who is it. And it's not frank Robinson. He had 14.
   3. AndrewJ Posted: February 04, 2014 at 09:35 AM (#4651248)
Hank Aaron.
   4. Chris Fluit Posted: February 04, 2014 at 09:36 AM (#4651249)
For the first question: Jim Bunning, Fergie Jenkins

For the second: Hank Aaron as a Brewer?
   5. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: February 04, 2014 at 09:39 AM (#4651251)
Yeah, Aaron is the answer. The other guesses are incorrect. Jenkins was an All Star only 3 times total.
   6. just plain joe Posted: February 04, 2014 at 09:48 AM (#4651258)
The other two players with at least 4 ASG's in each league are Vladimir Guerrero & Miguel Cabrera. I guess it is easy to forget that the Expos and Marlins were/are MLB teams.
   7. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: February 04, 2014 at 09:55 AM (#4651264)
Back in my undergrad days, one of my roommates collected baseball cards, like I did. Across town, there was this hybrid collectibles (including cards)/porn/random crap store that we would go to from time to time - the clientele was about what you would expect given that mishmash. One day, he found a Rusty Kuntz card, and from that moment on we had that card proudly displayed on our kitchen wall for all of our guests to see.
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 04, 2014 at 10:09 AM (#4651269)
Also on today's birthday team, Primate/Sabermetrician/Drunkard: Chris Dial
   9. Good cripple hitter Posted: February 04, 2014 at 10:34 AM (#4651290)
Also on today's birthday team, Primate/Sabermetrician/Drunkard: Chris Dial


And that's not even the best part! He saved A-Rod's life!
   10. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 04, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4651318)
Today's birthday team is so uninspiring, I cheated and looked at tomorrow's team. It has two Hall of Famers, including one who's already been mentioned in this thread. At least Eddie Ainsworth is probably the best player born in the Russian Federation.
   11. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 04, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4651322)
The other two players with at least 4 ASG's in each league are Vladimir Guerrero & Miguel Cabrera. I guess it is easy to forget that the Expos and Marlins were/are MLB teams.


Aha! I figured they must have been players from long ago when there were fewer teams and you had a better chance of being an All-Star.
   12. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: February 04, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4651334)
Aha! I figured they must have been players from long ago when there were fewer teams and you had a better chance of being an All-Star.


But long ago, players rarely switched leagues, at least star players in their prime.
   13. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4651395)
Today's birthday team is so uninspiring, I cheated and looked at tomorrow's team.

It has Germany Schafer who, on August 4 1911, became just the second player in baseball history to successfully steal first base in a game (after Jean Segura, who did the trick in April 2013).
   14. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 04, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4651414)
It has Germany Schafer who, on August 4 1911, became just the second player in baseball history to successfully steal first base in a game (after Jean Segura, who did the trick in April 2013).
Does time work in reverse when somebody steals first?
   15. Guapo Posted: February 04, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4651419)
   16. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4651445)
Heh. I saw that clip approximately 900 times on my VHS copy of "Baseball in the 80s!"
   17. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 04, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4651450)
I was watching that Lloyd Moseby game when it happened. I said to myself "In 18 years, that centerfielder and that shortstop will lead the Sox to a World Series win." True story.
   18. esseff Posted: February 04, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4651474)
I said to myself "In 18 years, that centerfielder and that shortstop will lead the Sox to a World Series win." True story.



Well, that center fielder was no stranger to baserunning adventures.
   19. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 04, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4651485)
Well, that center fielder was no stranger to baserunning adventures.
That video links to the video of the entire game from this ordinary 1981 White Sox-Angels game (well, ordinary other than the White Sox scoring 15 runs) with Harry Caray and Jimmy Piersall. I love living in the future.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 04, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4651490)
BP PECOTA Standings are out

Dodgers only team projected to win more than 90 games - 98! Astros are worst at 66-96.

AL Winners: Boston/Tampa Bay, Detroit, Oakland. WC: Boston/Tampa Bay vs. LA
NL Winners: Washington, St. Louis, LA. WC: San Fran vs. Atlanta
   21. dr. scott Posted: February 04, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4651519)
Glad to see SF and Oakland in the Playoffs again. We could have an all California Al/NlCS. Think of the ratings.
   22. JJ1986 Posted: February 04, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4651543)
Jeff Baker to the Marlins for 2 years. Should make a good platoon 1B.
   23. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4651545)
OK, I found a trivia question I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned before:

Who currently leads all foreign-born players in career WAR? (per Baseball-Reference)
   24. JJ1986 Posted: February 04, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4651554)
Roberto Clemente?
   25. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 04, 2014 at 04:06 PM (#4651558)
Bert Blyleven?
   26. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 04:08 PM (#4651560)
Y'all are too damn smart over here. Bert Blyleven is correct, ever so slightly ahead of Roberto Clemente.

The Top Ten:

1. Bert Blyleven, 95.3
2. Roberto Clemente, 94.4
3. Albert Pujols, 92.9
4. Fergie Jenkins 84.7
5. Pedro Martinez, 83.9
6. Jim McCormick, 75.7
7. Larry Walker, 72.4
8. Rafael Palmeiro, 71.8
9. Adrian Beltre, 70.7
10. Manny Ramirez, 69.1

Keep an eye on Albert Pujols!
   27. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 04, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4651563)
I guessed Blyleven because I did this Sporcle quiz yesterday and noticed his WAR was quite a bit higher than I expected.
   28. SoSH U at work Posted: February 04, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4651564)
Davo:

Why is Clemente considered to be born outside the U.S. but Rod Carew isn't?

   29. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 04:45 PM (#4651584)
28--Oops! Skipped right over his name!

Carew had 81.0 WAR, so slot him in between Pedro and Jim McCormick.
   30. AndrewJ Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4651614)
BP PECOTA Standings are out

A few bugs in the algorithms -- it has the Phillies finishing only 12 games out.
   31. WahooSam Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4651615)
Trivia time - who are the top 5 players (in WAR) that played at least 1000 games in the outfield and 1000 games in the infield?
   32. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:23 PM (#4651621)
Pete Rose for one. Maybe Musial.
   33. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:28 PM (#4651627)
Robin Yount
   34. JJ1986 Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:32 PM (#4651629)
Bobby Bonilla? Tony Phillips?
   35. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:35 PM (#4651631)
Lance Berkman? Willie Stargell?
   36. WahooSam Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:36 PM (#4651632)
I have Musial at #1, Rose at #2, and Yount at #3
#4 is a not-quite HoM player, and #5 is a slow 1B/OF that I had to really dig for. He played on an expansion team.
   37. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4651636)
Is Alfonso Soriano available?

#5 is a slow 1B/OF that I had to really dig for. He played on an expansion team.


Jeff Conine?
   38. JJ1986 Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:40 PM (#4651639)
Rusty Staub?
   39. WahooSam Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4651641)
Soriano was short a couple hundred games, Conine short a few, but his WAR was only 19, did not get down that far
   40. WahooSam Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:42 PM (#4651642)
Staub not enough games at 1B, but he and the #5 guy were contemporaries
   41. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:45 PM (#4651646)
You could get a pretty good "Who's on First" routine going with today's birthday rotation of Doug Fister and Rollie Naylor.

"Naylor? I don't even know her."
   42. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4651649)
5 is a slow 1B/OF that I had to really dig for. He played on an expansion team.

Staub not enough games at 1B, but he and the #5 guy were contemporaries


Sounds like bob Watson.
   43. WahooSam Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:53 PM (#4651653)
Not Watson. I just checked, this guy played on two expansion teams!
   44. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4651659)
Al Oliver?
   45. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: February 04, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4651660)
Not Watson. I just checked, this guy played on two expansion teams!


Do you mean played on an expansion team they year the team came into the league?
   46. WahooSam Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:04 PM (#4651663)
Al Oliver only managed 733 games in the IF. Yes, this guy played on two different teams' inaugural seasons
   47. salvomania Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:12 PM (#4651671)
I believe No. 5 also holds an obscure home-run record....
   48. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:12 PM (#4651672)
Ron Fairly?
   49. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:12 PM (#4651673)
Ah, I think I've got it. Did this guy used to be a Mariners announcer?

EDIT: Coke to RoyalsRetro.
   50. WahooSam Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:16 PM (#4651676)
#1: Stan Musial
#2: Pete Rose
#3: Robin Yount
#4: ???
#5: Ron Fairly !!
   51. salvomania Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:18 PM (#4651678)
Ron Fairly?

IIRC Ron Fairly is---or was, if someone else has done it since---the only player with 200+ career homers to never hit 20 in a season....
   52. WahooSam Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:20 PM (#4651680)
Ichiro could have done that if he wanted
   53. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:27 PM (#4651683)
(The other) Frank Thomas?

Also, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't guess Nate Colbert to a question like this.
   54. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:30 PM (#4651686)
Dave Kingman? Bill Buckner?
   55. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4651688)
Keep in mind, this is someone who had to play at least 2,000 career games in MLB. Colbert barely got half that. This is gonna be someone with a 20-year career. (Not that I have any better guesses at the moment.)
   56. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4651692)
When it comes to baseball trivia, Nate Colbert transcends matters of time and space. You could ask me to name the four knuckleballers on the 1945 Washington Senators and Nate Colbert would be on the list.
   57. salvomania Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:43 PM (#4651695)
I still remember his 5-homer, 13-rbi doubleheader...
   58. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:43 PM (#4651696)
Nate Colbert and fellow obscure longtime star on a relentlessly drab expansion team, Alvin Davis.
   59. salvomania Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:43 PM (#4651697)
Apparently he was a complete dick.
   60. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4651698)
That Nate Colbert-Stan Musial thing is definitely one of the great pieces of trivia in baseball history.
   61. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:49 PM (#4651701)
Though some more serious guesses:

* Willie Stargell?
* BJ Surhoff?
* Brian Downing?
   62. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:52 PM (#4651704)
At least Eddie Ainsworth is probably the best player born in the Russian Federation.


Actually, I don't think he is. This guy won over 300 games.
   63. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:52 PM (#4651705)
Tony Phillips? Mark McLemore? Ryan Lewis?
   64. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:54 PM (#4651708)
Fairly was also an All-Star for both Canadian teams. Has anyone else ever done that?
   65. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4651710)
IIRC Ron Fairly is---or was, if someone else has done it since---the only player with 200+ career homers to never hit 20 in a season....


I don't think anybody has done it since. The closest I could find is Buddy Bell who hit exactly 20 once.
   66. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4651712)
Darrin Fletcher is the only other player I can even think of who had a significant career with both teams, and he only made the ASG with the Expos.
   67. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:02 PM (#4651714)
OK, I found #4 using PI. And he did it using an remarkably efficient number of games.
   68. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:02 PM (#4651715)
64--Yep!
   69. salvomania Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:06 PM (#4651717)
OK, I found #4 using PI. And he did it using an remarkably efficient number of games.

I've been looking at PI and I still haven't found #4....
   70. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4651718)
I've been looking at PI and I still haven't found #4....


My search parameters were 1000 games in the infield, 2000 or more games total, WAR between 40 and 60 (he said borderline HOM).
   71. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4651719)
I can't find it on PI either. No player in history has played the exact number of games in Misirlou's clue.

EDIT: Meaning the clue in post 67, not post 70.
   72. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:15 PM (#4651723)
Is the correct answer the guy with the first hit in World Series history?
   73. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:18 PM (#4651724)
Is the correct answer the guy with the first hit in World Series history?


Dammit, that's the guy. For those who couldn't find him in PI, it's because you didn't change the default time period from "Since 1901" to "all."
   74. AndrewJ Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:38 PM (#4651728)
He and Freddy Parent were the last two surviving players from the 1903 Series.
   75. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:46 PM (#4651730)
Would the PI searches count games where he played two infield positions as one game or two?
   76. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:50 PM (#4651732)
The nicknames listed on Baseball-Reference are so weird. For this guy we're talking about, his nickname isn't listed, even though it was incredibly widely used and was a staple of turn-of-the-century baseball coverage. (It was "Wee ### ####.") There are several other instances like this where an extremely well-known nickname is omitted.

Then for current players, it's the opposite. They'll list any random nickname that somebody once thought of maybe using. There are all kinds of nicknames on there that you've never heard before even if you've followed the player's career extremely closely. When was the last time you called Jim Edmonds "Jimmy Baseball"? Or called Mark Grace "Amazing"? How about the last time you called Ken Griffey Jr. "The Natural"? Or Tony Gwynn "Captain Video"? How about Bryce "Mondo" Harper?

I realize that BB-Ref probably takes its cues from the SABR Biographical Committee, so perhaps that's who is to blame, but somebody ain't doing these nicknames right.
   77. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 04, 2014 at 07:54 PM (#4651733)
(It was "Wee ### ####.")


Well, now I'm curious...
   78. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 08:02 PM (#4651736)
This 28 year-old has very fond memories watching WGN and hearing Harry Caray and Steve Stone call him Mark "Amazing" Grace. But yeah, the rest are absurd.

I have to point out, you missed the best one: Mike Trout is "The Millville Meteor!" The full story behind that nickname:

IN THE FORUMS pages of SomethingAwful.com, a 24-year-old who calls himself Weed Mouse is getting tired of the Trout hype. So on June 27, he decides to change the conversation. "I made a remark that this season is only his floor if he is Mickey Mantle," says Mouse, a recent college graduate in St. Louis. It's too early to say, he argues, but still Mouse dubs Trout the Millville Meteor, a play on the Commerce Comet, Mantle's hometown-inspired nickname. "I am a bit of a fan of the old-timey baseball nicknames: Splendid Splinter, Georgia Peach, the Freshest Man on Earth, etc.," he says. "They are certainly better than lazy garbage like A-Rod and Han-Ram. Getting to troll massive amounts of people is just a bonus."

SomethingAwful users update Trout's Wikipedia page with the nickname. For citation, they use legitimate-looking links that don't actually reference the nickname (which, after all, hadn't existed before that day). The links fool Wikipedia's editors and buy Weed Mouse some time. Within days, journalists and bloggers start picking up the name and using it in their articles. SomethingAwful users quickly update the Wikipedia citations with real examples that prove the Millville Meteor is in active circulation. Two weeks later, Baseball-Reference.com updates its Mike Trout page. SportsCenter uses it on July 18.

Trout hears the nickname. "I don't know where they got that," he says. But later in the summer, on eBay, a baseball is being sold that Trout has inscribed with it, in silver ink.
   79. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 04, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4651740)
64--Yep!


Assuming that you mean that there is another player besides Ron Fairly who has been an All-Star for both the Expos and Blue Jays, that has me completely baffled. I have no idea whom it would be.
   80. Sweatpants Posted: February 04, 2014 at 08:11 PM (#4651742)
Tony Batista?
   81. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 04, 2014 at 08:14 PM (#4651743)
Assuming that you mean that there is another player besides Ron Fairly who has been an All-Star for both the Expos and Blue Jays, that has me completely baffled. I have no idea whom it would be.

Boy, I can't read. Or write. Or something.

Fairly is indeed the only person to make the All-Star team for both Canadian teams.
   82. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: February 04, 2014 at 08:19 PM (#4651748)
No player in history has played the exact number of games in Misirlou's clue.


Sorry. That was his games played in his fielding stats, presumably unsearchable in PI.
   83. esseff Posted: February 04, 2014 at 09:46 PM (#4651794)
(It was "Wee ### ####.")



Well, now I'm curious...


Yep, the answer is Willie Winkie.
   84. God Posted: February 04, 2014 at 09:55 PM (#4651800)
It was actually Wee-Bey from "The Wire."
   85. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 04, 2014 at 11:40 PM (#4651840)
Boy, I can't read. Or write. Or something.

Fairly is indeed the only person to make the All-Star team for both Canadian teams.


Thanks - I was really stumped for a while there!
   86. WahooSam Posted: February 05, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4652080)
Hi, I'm back. It was wee Tommy Leach, one of the stars of The Glory of Our Times

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