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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-8-2018

El Paso Herald, February 8, 1918:

When the eastern league gets to the point where it will really decide whether it will operate or suspend in the coming baseball season, perhaps the first matter which will receive its consideration is the suggestion of manager Jack Mack, of the [Worcester] Boosters, that the teams be cut to 13 players.

Such action will give every team in the league two backstops and four pitchers, which manager Mack thinks ought to be all any team might ask to have.

I think his brain would explode if he heard there are teams 100 years later that carry 13 pitchers.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 08, 2018 at 09:46 AM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 08, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5621712)
Not a great Birthday Team today, but at least it has a World Series champion manager. Also, things are never dull around Fritz Peterson.

C: Charlie Householder (2.09 WAR)
1B: Bob Oliver (4.29 WAR)
2B: Buddy Blattner (4.06 WAR)
3B: Bert Haas (4.6 WAR)
SS: Joe Cassidy (1.9 WAR)
LF: Hoot Evers (12.93 WAR)
CF: Bug Holliday (18.1 WAR)
RF: Willard Marshall (19.9 WAR)

SP: Fritz Peterson (21.12 WAR)
SP: Aaron Cook (15.92 WAR)
SP: Joe Black (4.33 WAR)
SP: Fred Blanding (8.84 WAR)
SP: Jim Parque (2.51 WAR)
RP: Burke Badenhop (4.27 WAR)

Manager: Joe Maddon
Any time of the day is a good time for: Felix Pie
Fun name: Costen Shockley
Señor Wences's favorite ballplayer: Mauro Zarate
Top Prospect/Violent Felon: Matt Bush
   2. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:04 AM (#5621715)
Fun name


Cookie Cuccurullo is way up there.
   3. BDC Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5621716)
Trivia inspired by the recent Albert Pujols thread:

Can you name the batters who compiled more GIDP than BB, by these criteria:

- most PAs in a single season (674 by a 21st-century shortstop who broke his own record of 666, set the year before)
- most PAs in a career (4577 by a famous member of a baseball trinity)
- most qualifying seasons in a career (3 by four different players: a 1960s no-hit Giants infielder, and three star catchers, two of them Hall of Famers and the other a member of the Hall of the Most Disliked)

And the batters who compiled more GIDP than SO, same criteria:

- most PAs in a single season (727 by a 1970s infielder who had set the single-season record for ABs the year before, a record he would hold for five years)
- most PAs in a career (1000. Actually this one is near-impossible. The guy in second place with 856 is far better-known. Both played during WW2 but their careers did not overlap [one was in the service while the other was in the majors]; the #2 batter with 856 might have had more if fans' prayers for rain had been answered more liberally)
- most qualifying seasons in a career (9 by one of the guys who had 3 seasons with GIDP > BB; in fact he had two seasons with more GIDP than either BB or SO)
   4. salvomania Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5621727)
1B: Bob Oliver (4.29 WAR)

That's long-time MLB pitcher Darren Oliver's dad. He had a nice 1970 for the Royals, finishing in the Top 10 in the AL in homers and RBI, and he had a couple of decent seasons for the Angels, including 1973 when he started 48 games at 3b, 46 games in RF, 31 games at 1b, and 11 at DH while putting up a 111 OPS+.
   5. salvomania Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5621729)
RP: Burke Badenhop (4.27 WAR)

Badenhop could also be listed as Baseball Operations Analyst, a position he now holds with the Diamondbacks.
   6. salvomania Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5621730)
- most PAs in a single season (727 by a 1970s infielder

Rennie Stennett?
   7. salvomania Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:32 AM (#5621731)
- most PAs in a career (4577 by a famous member of a baseball trinity)

Jose Molina?
   8. BDC Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5621732)
Not Stennett, but that's close - similar players, and teammates for a while.
   9. salvomania Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5621735)
- the other a member of the Hall of the Most Disliked)

A.J. Pryzinsky?
   10. salvomania Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5621736)
Not Stennett, but that's close - similar players, and teammates for a while.

Dave Cash?
   11. BDC Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5621737)
Not Jose Molina either - wrong trinity :)
   12. BDC Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5621739)
Cash is correct, and so is Pierzynksi.
   13. salvomania Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5621740)
Not Jose Molina either - wrong trinity :)

Jesus Alou?
   14. Sweatpants Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:39 AM (#5621741)
- most PAs in a single season (674 by a 21st-century shortstop who broke his own record of 666, set the year before)
Miguel Tejada?
   15. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5621743)
Not Jose Molina either - wrong trinity :)
My first guess was one of Tinker-Evers-Chance, but they didn't count GIDP back then.
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:44 AM (#5621745)
- most PAs in a career (4577 by a famous member of a baseball trinity)


Matty Alou?

- most qualifying seasons in a career (3 by four different players: a 1960s no-hit Giants infielder,


Hal Lanier?
   17. BDC Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5621750)
Jesus Alou, Hal Lanier, and Miguel Tejada are correct. That leaves two HOF catchers for the "most qualifying seasons" categories (because the GIDP > SO guy is not Pierzynski or Lanier), and the impossible career leader in PAs with GIDP > SO.
   18. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5621753)
Ernie Lombardi?
   19. salvomania Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5621754)
Yogi Berra one of the C's
   20. BDC Posted: February 08, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5621761)
Ernie Lombardi had nine qualifying seasons with more GIDP than strikeouts, and three with more GIDP than walks. He was a true prodigy :)

Berra is not the other with three GIDP > BB seasons. He never had one.
   21. esseff Posted: February 08, 2018 at 11:01 AM (#5621764)
Buddy Blattner could also be the birthday team broadcaster when not playing 2B. The Cardinals once fired Jack Buck so that they could hire Blattner.
   22. BDC Posted: February 08, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5621766)
Nellie Fox, incidentally, is second to Lombardi in number of qualifying seasons (5) with more GIDP than strikeouts. Seems odd because Fox was a left-handed hitter with decent speed, but in his case he didn't hit into a huge number of double plays; he just refused to strike out. So it was a matter for Fox of grounding into 13 DPs and striking out 11 or 12 times.

Similarly, if we had GIDP totals for Joe Sewell, he would probably be ahead of Fox and maybe even Lombardi.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 08, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5621769)
Interesting, this team could have a Householder/Homewrecker battery.
   24. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: February 08, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5621772)
Raiders owner Al Davis would have been exactly as old as Cy Young was the day he died (32,361 days).

Baseball player Joe Mauer is exactly as old as David Letterman was the day he first hosted Late Night (12,714 days).

Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong is exactly as old as Kirby Puckett was the day he died (16,793 days).

Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling is exactly as old as Padres owner Ray Kroc was the day his 1st McDonalds opened in Des Plaines, Illinois (19,185 days).


Anyone who wants to can look up these as-old-as items for their own lives here.
   25. stanmvp48 Posted: February 08, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5621787)
Pudge Rodriguez?
   26. BDC Posted: February 08, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5621814)
Rodriguez is correct, three seasons with more GIDPs than walks.

The guy who had 1000 plate appearances with more GIDP than strikeouts (32 to 28) was Ed Busch, shortstop for the 1944-45 Philadelphia Athletics. Like Nellie Fox, Busch was an extreme slap hitter (though Busch batted right) who made excellent contact. Busch wasn't a good hitter, but he batted .262 as a wartime shortstop, and that kept him in the lineup for a couple of years. He never played again after 1945, even in the minors, though he was only 27 then. He lived till 1987 but I cannot find an obituary for him.

Second on the career list for more GIDP than strikeouts is Johnny Sain (856 PAs, 25 GIDPs, 20 strikeouts). Sain had a 30-WAR career, 5 WAR from batting. He hit .245 with 101 career RBIs and also walked more than he struck out (24 career BB).
   27. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 08, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5621818)
Badenhop could also be listed as Baseball Operations Analyst, a position he now holds with the Diamondbacks.
Cool, I hadn't heard that. Badenhop went to the same high school as Jim Leyland and Jerry Glanville, and the same university as Orel Hershiser and me.
   28. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: February 08, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5622107)
Aaaaah, Willard Marshall...

He was the long-time Parks & Rec director for Fort Lee, NJ. I started working for the town in the Tax Collector's office toward the end of his tenure. One day, he came in to pay his property taxes and was complaining that he'd forgotten his glasses and could I read the bill to him so he could write his check.

I said, "Oh, it's $3,500.00, Willard. Y'know, like you used to get from Stoneham every year." He goes, "Yeah. If I was lucky!"
   29. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: February 08, 2018 at 03:04 PM (#5622118)
Jeff Manship has signed a minor league deal with the Reds. Might be of interest to someone here. : )
   30. Walt Davis Posted: February 08, 2018 at 11:10 PM (#5622362)
Hoot, Bug and Willard -- it's like a Dukes of Hazzard episode or something.

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