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Thursday, March 15, 2012

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-15-2012

Toledo News-Bee, March 15, 1912:

Mique Finn, manager of the Mobile club, was offered Bugs Raymond, the eccentric Giant pitcher.

“You can have Raymond for 5,000,” Manager McGraw of the Giants wired Finn.

Finn wired back, “5,000 what?”

McGraw replied “5,000 beers.”

Finn asked McGraw to send Raymond on.

That was only about a three-day supply for Bugs.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 15, 2012 at 05:42 AM | 6 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 15, 2012 at 05:44 AM (#4081205)
Elsewhere in the News-Bee 100 years ago, Hughie Jennings says Bill Dahlen would have been the greatest infielder in the history of the game if he had taken baseball more seriously.
   2. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 15, 2012 at 05:49 AM (#4081206)
All sorts of personality on today's birthday team: The Greek God of Walks, The Freshest Man on Earth, a guy named Kimothy, Mickey Hatcher, and a catcher who wears a wooly fur hat.

The bullpen is extremely deep, which will come in handy with that rotation.

C: Robert Fick
1B: Kevin Youkilis
2B: Whitey Wietelmann
3B: Arlie Latham
SS: Kim Batiste
LF: Mickey Hatcher
CF: Bobby Bonds
RF: Harold Baines

SP: Lou Fette
SP: Rosy Ryan
SP: Bill Wise
SP: Sailor Stroud
SP: Vladimir Nunez
RP: Jim Kern
RP: Bob Locker
RP: Wayne Granger
RP: Juan Oviedo

Never reached the majors, but supercool name nonetheless: Motorboat Jones
   3. Mike Webber Posted: March 15, 2012 at 09:06 AM (#4081241)
When you read an article like that about Dahlen it makes it wonder if this is why he didn't end up in the Hall of Fame.
Thanks Dan for these great links.
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 15, 2012 at 09:19 AM (#4081249)
Thanks for the compliment, Mike.

Dahlen's career stats are pretty interesting. In his 20s, he put up a 122 OPS+, put up nearly 60 extra base hits per 162 games (in the dead ball era, no less), stole 46 bases per 162, and is said to have been a terrific defensive shortstop. In his 30s, the OPS+ falls to 96, the extra base hits fall by nearly 50%, and his stolen bases fall by 40+ percent.

Obviously there's an aging curve at play here and it's not unusual for a player to be noticeably worse as a thirtysomething than as a twentysomething. Still, when you read stories about Dahlen's lack of off-field discipline and you see his stats fall off a cliff with no obvious injury-related cause, it's not tough to come to Mike's conclusion that work ethic is a major factor in his not being in Cooperstown.

I find it surprising that Dahlen managed the Dodgers for four years, but not at all surprising that he never won more than 65 games or finished higher than sixth. The next five (!) Dodgers managers after Dahlen are in the Hall of Fame.
   5. PhillyBooster Posted: March 15, 2012 at 10:49 AM (#4081300)
Kim Batiste was a mainstay of "former major leaguers" in the Atlantic League after his playing career. He was also the first player ever signed by the Atlantic League's Camden Riversharks.
   6. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 15, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4081313)
Kim Batiste, the Wally Pipp of the 1993 Phillies.

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