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Friday, March 16, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-16-2018

Washington Times, March 16, 1918:

Wally Schang is playing third base for the Red Sox in their practice skirmishes [in Arkansas]. Manager Barrow will not admit that Schang will continue to hold down the hot corner, but he keeps the former Philadelphia catcher right out there facing sizzlers.

Babe Ruth at first, Johnny Evers at second, [Everett] Scott at short and Schang at third is the line-up of the infield right now.

Man, things are so bad in Boston that they’ve got a pitcher playing first base. They’ll never win anything in 1918.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 16, 2018 at 11:26 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 16, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5638981)
Excellent position players on today's Birthday Team. The pitching staff is solid but unspectacular. Overall, a strong team.

C: Ken O'Dea (8.94 WAR)
1B: Jerry Denny (20.7 WAR)
2B: Don Blasingame (18.44 WAR)
3B: Buddy Myer (46.94 WAR)
SS: Stephen Drew (17.02 WAR)
LF/Manager: Patsy Donovan (18.41 WAR)
CF: Lloyd Waner (24.11 WAR)
RF: Curtis Granderson (46.65 WAR)

SP: Bill Bernhard (14.62 WAR)
SP: Bill Duggleby (13.18 WAR)
SP: Tom Bradley (10.17 WAR)
SP: Vern Olsen (7.69 WAR)
SP: Charles Hudson (5.92 WAR)
RP: Brian Wilson (5.58 WAR)

Fun name, unfortunately not a power hitter: Spencer Kieboom
Fun names: Cory Spangenberg, Blondie Purcell
Rhyming names: Rick Renick, Dan Duran
Where do they make Ralphs?: Ralph Works
   2. Mike Webber Posted: March 16, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5639067)
1918 Red Sox,

1b Ruth - 13 games 110 innings
2b Evers - did not play major or minors
3b Schang - 5 games, 41 innings
SS Scott - 126 games, 1103 innings

I was curious...
   3. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: March 16, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5639089)
The Phillies DFA'd 2B Eliezer Alvarez today (to add Pedro Florimon to the 40 man) and I thought - hey, he's a pretty good hitter for a middle infielder, why are they dropping him? - so, I looked at his fielding numbers.
Ohhhhhhnnnoooooo.

His fielding percentage at second last year was .925. By comparison, the AL average was .983, NL .982.
   4. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 16, 2018 at 02:05 PM (#5639091)
Evers made the Red Sox opening day roster, but was released before appearing in a game.
   5. BDC Posted: March 16, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5639111)
Yecch, the Rangers send Willie Calhoun to Round Rock and will open the season with a LF platoon of Ryan Rua (28 years old, career BA .272 in AAA, .246 in the majors) and Drew Robinson (turns 26 in a month, career BA .263 in AAA, .224 in the majors). And no, neither one has much power or speed or draws a lot of walks, either.

Jeff Banister knows a lot more about baseball than stat-addled idiots in the stands like me, so I will just accept that he doesn't think Calhoun has a position in the majors. He can't possibly think either Robinson or Rua has any future; they're simply the best options he has right now. Yecch.
   6. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 16, 2018 at 02:55 PM (#5639116)
Yecch indeed.
   7. RJ in TO Posted: March 16, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5639128)
I'm assuming this is just the Rangers trying to play some service time games with Calhoun, and he'll be up in the majors to stay within a month or two (or however long it takes them to delay his FA by a year).
   8. BDC Posted: March 16, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5639130)
Yes, I hope you’re right, RJ.
   9. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 16, 2018 at 04:00 PM (#5639143)
Of course they'd never admit it publicly, but the Rangers aren't likely to contend in 2018, correct? I'd guess they're playing arb clock games, figuring it won't cost them anything in the standings.
   10. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: March 16, 2018 at 04:03 PM (#5639144)
The Reds signed Eugenio Suarez to a 7-year, $66 million dollar extension.

Buys out 4 years of free agency, at $11 million per year... Suarez put up 3.7 bwar last year, and 5.3 in two full seasons of play. Seems like a good deal.
   11. The Ghost of Logan Schafer Posted: March 16, 2018 at 04:19 PM (#5639151)
BRIAN WILSON. 2 guys with the same name who are polar opposites on my "Respect-o-meter".
   12. RJ in TO Posted: March 16, 2018 at 04:32 PM (#5639155)
The Reds signed Eugenio Suarez to a 7-year, $66 million dollar extension.

Buys out 4 years of free agency, at $11 million per year... Suarez put up 3.7 bwar last year, and 5.3 in two full seasons of play. Seems like a good deal.


I honestly have no idea who this player is. It appears my awareness of the National League in general, and the Reds in specific, has declined in recent years.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: March 16, 2018 at 04:48 PM (#5639162)
Calhoun has 20 days service time so to Bryant him will require about a month, to make him super 2 would probably take about two months.

I'm not so sure that's a great deal for Suarez. Security is nice, 4 years of FA is a lot and he's selling them cheap. He'll hit the FA market at 33 which is a terrible age. If those numbers are right, the contract looks front-loaded a bit (I don't think he'd be getting quite $22 in his 3 arb years). Barring major injury, he was looking at probably $18-20 in arb then being an FA entering his age 29 season which is pretty good.

EDIT: meant to note that it's far from terrible. Suarez has one very good season under his belt but could well settle into being an average player. If he's a 2-WAR player this is a fine swap of lots of security for little/no lost money. But if he's a 3-WAR player ... well, deals like this are partly the result of Moose, Walker, Frazier.
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 16, 2018 at 05:17 PM (#5639173)
BRIAN WILSON. 2 guys with the same name who are polar opposites on my "Respect-o-meter".
I'm hoping you don't have terrible musical taste and a douchy beard.
   15. BDC Posted: March 16, 2018 at 05:47 PM (#5639183)
I guessed that Eugenio Suarez was a third baseman and I seem to be right. I can only assume that this was because I am going to see the Reds play 10 days from now and briefly glanced at their depth chart, because I know nothing else about him except that he is now a very affluent young man.
   16. Ziggy's screen name Posted: March 16, 2018 at 08:11 PM (#5639222)
CF: Lloyd Waner (24.11 WAR)
RF: Curtis Granderson (46.65 WAR)


Man the Hall of Fame has some 'splain to do.
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 16, 2018 at 08:33 PM (#5639229)
Man the Hall of Fame has some 'splain to do.
Heh. I saw that and wondered if anyone had ever put together a list of who would be in the HOF if they induced everyone as good or better than Lloyd Waner.
   18. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 16, 2018 at 09:56 PM (#5639237)
Heh. I saw that and wondered if anyone had ever put together a list of who would be in the HOF if they induced everyone as good or better than Lloyd Waner.


Not gonna do that, but to pick a season at random...

The following non HOFer position players with 24+ career WAR played in the NL east in 1975:

Al Oliver
Manny Sanguillen
Dave Parker
Richie Hebner
Willie Randolph
Dick Allen
Dave Cash
Garry Maddox
Bob Boone
Tim McCarver
Rusty Staub
Joe Torre
Ted Simmons
Keith Hernandez
Reggie Smith
Willie Davis
Ron Fairly
Rick Monday
Bill Madlock
Andre Thornton
Bob Bailey










   19. BDC Posted: March 17, 2018 at 08:53 AM (#5639337)
I wonder if Lloyd Waner might have more bWAR if he'd played in a different era. His first three years in the league, he hit .348 and played a decent center field. Even in the 1920s, that batting average was fine. But the positional adjustment for CF was around -4 for those years. He was only putting up about 3 bWAR in each of those years.

He got appendicitis in his fourth year and was not much of a player after his sixth, so he was never going to be an all-time great. But for a few years there he was a commendable ballplayer.
   20. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 17, 2018 at 06:58 PM (#5639439)
Reporting on today's game at the Ballpark of the Palm Beaches, Adam Eaton finally made his Washington Nationals spring training game debut, struggling quite a bit in LF - sun was rough for both teams - but hitting a HR. The Nationals will need him, but he's borderline to be ready for Opening Day. Nationals have also been missing Daniel Murphy, who seems to have been ruled out for the start of the season, and Ryan Zimmerman, of whom less is said. Matt Adams can hit a bit, but seems unable to scoop throws at 1st, so Zimmerman will be missed if not ready to go. Howie Kendrick can cover for Murphy for a while - he can hit.

The highlight of the game was yours truly making a great catch in the Nationals Souvenir Towel Toss, and then incredibly replicating the feat minutes later during the 7th inning stretch, exhibiting great range and good hands.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: March 18, 2018 at 12:39 AM (#5639500)
Man the Hall of Fame has some 'splain to do.

It's more Granderson's sister Monica who has the gripe ... if he'd been better, she'd be in the HoF.

(Near as I can tell, he has no brothers but his sister is a professor.)
   22. Walt Davis Posted: March 18, 2018 at 12:42 AM (#5639501)
And ya gotta believe Matty gave Felipe grief about it at every Alou family reunion. (Jesus keeps quiet cuz he still can't believe he lasted that long in the majors.)

Hey, it's Jesus's birthday next week -- Christmas in March! (Surely this should be a spring training tradition.)
   23. BDC Posted: March 18, 2018 at 08:12 AM (#5639513)
Jesus Alou’s birthday is on the eve of the feast of the Annunciation.

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