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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-1-2018

El Paso Herald, March 1, 1918:

Harry Frazee, Jr., 15 years old, is an enterprising school boy. Last spring he wrote to his father, president of the Red Sox, for half a dozen new balls. Frazee, Sr., paid $1.25 each for them and shipped them immediately. Several weeks later he received another urgent request for a second half dozen, which also were sent with a letter asking what had been done with the first batch. Back came a reply which read:

“I sold the first half dozen at a quarter apiece. Business is rushing!”

And somehow, young Frazee only had the second-worst baseball business mind in the family.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 10:50 AM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5632243)
A big pile of good but not great pitchers on today's Birthday Team.

C: Ramon Castro (3.1 WAR)
1B: Farmer Vaughn (2.83 WAR)
2B: Johnny Ray (23.96 WAR)
3B: Ernie Padgett (0.74 WAR)
SS: Larry Brown (6.77 WAR)
LF: Michael Conforto (6.04 WAR)
CF: Paul Hines (44.59 WAR)
RF: Al Shaw (5.6 WAR)

SP: Hank Wyse (10.64 WAR)
SP: Trevor Cahill (10.57 WAR)
SP: Omar Daal (8.84 WAR)
SP: Howie Fox (7.9 WAR)
SP: Nick Strincevich (6.27 WAR)
RP: Tony Castillo (6.46 WAR)

Fun names: Blake Hawksworth, Jim Panther
   2. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:12 AM (#5632259)
Hopefully a lot of people are subscribed to The Athletic by now... This is a great interview with Jim Gott, now the Phillies bullpen coach which is apparently his first big league coaching job. I never knew he was such an interesting character.
   3. Batman Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:12 AM (#5632260)
Former MLB reliever and current Texas Wesleyan coach Mike Jeffcoat won't recruit any of those potheads from Colorado and "You can thank your liberal politicians."
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5632269)
If I were a recruit who received a letter like that, I'd shrug, sign with Texas Wesleyan's biggest rival, and use it as motivation to make them look dumb for the next four years. A copy of the letter might also mysteriously find its way into the hands of the public.
   5. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5632281)
Sounds like the problem is your conservative politicians in Texas requiring these drug tests for otherwise acceptable recruits, Jeffcoat. Maybe lobby them on this issue.

Also I hope you don't encourage your players to pound a few Budweisers to let off steam. Especially the underage ones!
   6. BDC Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5632283)
Texas Wesleyan's biggest rival

Their biggest rivals appear to be Southwestern Assemblies of God University, and it would be hilarious if SAGU cornered the market on pothead baseball players.

Almost as hilarious is that Texas Wesleyan recruits almost exclusively from Texas anyway, as would make sense. They have just one player from Colorado on their roster this season, and I wonder if the poor guy is thinking "are they talking about me?"
   7. BDC Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5632289)
Also from Texas, life just keeps getting better in the BDC Dome:

"We have not sized every seat but we have asked HKS to design the seats to be 1-2 inches wider than at Globe Life Park," said Rangers spokesman John Blake. "All seats at Globe Life Park are 18-19 inches wide. Seat width in both parks can and will vary depending on the geometry of the row or seating section. The goal would be for a 20-inch wide seat in pretty much all locations."

That's good news for those fans who enjoy the fat-filled, high-caloric food offered by the Rangers, including Texas Snowballs — brisket rolled into balls, dipped in funnel-cake batter and deep-fried before being topped with powdered sugar.


Please page the poster formerly known as A Fatty Cow Who Need Two Seats with the good news :)
   8. Batman Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5632295)
Texas Wesleyan's one guy from Colorado is hitting .750/.800/1.000 this year, but I guess he's mostly used as a pinch-runner. On February 9, he scored two runs without having a plate appearance. Either the rules are different in college or TWU's coach was too baked to notice he pinch ran twice.
   9. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 01, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5632354)
CF: Paul Hines (44.59 WAR)


I had never heard of him. Looks like a HOVG candidate with some good comps.

I guess he's mostly used as a pinch-runner. On February 9, he scored two runs without having a plate appearance. Either the rules are different in college or TWU's coach was too baked to notice he pinch ran twice.


Must be a coke fiend or speed freak. No pot smoker is going to speed around the bases.
   10. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5632358)
I had never heard of [Paul Hines]. Looks like a HOVG candidate with some good comps.
You could maybe even make a case for him as a fringe HOF candidate. Those seasons in the 1870s were super-short and cost him a bunch of WAR, relative to players in later 154/162 game seasons.

I'm not sure I'd be willing to make that HOF case for Hines, but I certainly wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.
   11. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 01, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5632359)
I thought Paul Hines was one of those speedy no-power guys from the 1970s, like Ralph Garr. Who am I thinking of?
   12. Tom T Posted: March 01, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5632362)
I had never heard of him. Looks like a HOVG candidate with some good comps.


I hadn't heard of him until the early HoM ballot threads (in which he was rather readily elected, I believe?). I don't think it is hard to make a decent argument that he is better than HOVG, when one accounts for the short duration of the seasons in which he played.

Of course, I'm sure folks would now object to the fact that he played such a shallow CF (made an unassisted triple play, as Dr. Chaleeko notes on his very short HoM thread) and conclude that his defensive value was overstated by having stolen too many easy pop-ups from his middle infielders....
   13. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5632363)
I thought Paul Hines was one of those speedy no-power guys from the 1970s, like Ralph Garr. Who am I thinking of?
Paul Dade maybe?
   14. Batman Posted: March 01, 2018 at 12:59 PM (#5632365)
I thought Paul Hines was one of those speedy no-power guys from the 1970s, like Ralph Garr. Who am I thinking of?
Paul Blair? He had some power though.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 01, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5632370)
I thought Paul Hines was one of those speedy no-power guys from the 1970s, like Ralph Garr. Who am I thinking of?

Gregory Hines? Seriously, the guy I always mentally pair with Ralph Garr is Ron LeFlore. Although looking it up, LeFLore had a little bit of pop too.
   16. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 01, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5632372)
I guess he's mostly used as a pinch-runner. On February 9, he scored two runs without having a plate appearance. Either the rules are different in college or TWU's coach was too baked to notice he pinch ran twice.


They're an NAIA team, and they can use courtesy runners:

"Teams have the option to use a courtesy runner for the pitcher/designated hitter or catcher at any time. For speed-up purposes, it is recommended that the courtesy runner be used with two men out in all games. The courtesy runner, although never officially in the game, will be credited with the following: A. Run scored B. Stolen base C. Caught stealing The courtesy runner rule does not apply to a pinch-hitter for the catcher unless the catcher has been re-entered. However, it is permissible to re-enter a catcher for his pinch-hitter and subsequently use the courtesy runner. A team may not use the same runner for the pitcher/designated hitter and catcher in the same inning. The courtesy runner may not be removed from a base to become a pinch hitter. A player removed from the game may not be used as a courtesy runner. Should the courtesy runner pinch hit, pinch run or enter the game at any position, he will no longer be eligible to be a courtesy runner."
   17. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 01, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5632384)
Paul Blair, that's it.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: March 01, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5632385)
They're an NAIA team, and they can use courtesy runners:


I got that job a lot the one year I played college ball.
   19. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5632408)
One notable omission from today's Birthday Team:

Announcer: Harry Caray
   20. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5632427)
Former MLB reliever and current Texas Wesleyan coach Mike Jeffcoat won't recruit any of those potheads from Colorado and "You can thank your liberal politicians."

he's just been fired
   21. Batman Posted: March 01, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5632430)
Jeffcoat got fired. One of his assistants was Kelly Shoppach. Hopefully he has a better attitude towards Colorado.
   22. Perry Posted: March 01, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5632442)
Also, it wasn't "liberal politicians" that legalized recreational pot in Colorado; it was a direct vote to amend the state constitution.
   23. BDC Posted: March 01, 2018 at 02:57 PM (#5632474)
Just skimming the thread, my takeaway is that a Colorado recruit who plays baseball at Texas Wesleyan is a HOVG candidate named Paul Blair.
   24. Walt Davis Posted: March 01, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5632483)
who puts powdered sugar on deep-fried brisket.

A Federal takeover of Texas is clearly necessary.
   25. Karl from NY Posted: March 01, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5632517)
Heads up just in case anyone's interested: the Cubs have a job posting for a software engineer to work on internal analytics systems.

https://recruiting2.ultipro.com/RIC1003CUBS/JobBoard/b839f5fa-ba5f-4561-824b-31e8d3d2d9ed/OpportunityDetail?opportunityId=e87662da-5710-4acb-bd92-c12c35fba89d
   26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 04:02 PM (#5632524)
Heads up just in case anyone's interested: the Cubs have a job posting for a software engineer to work on internal analytics systems.


What do these MLB jobs pay? People with those technical chops can make good money in many industries. I'm guessing you're going from $75-100K to <$50K if you choose MLB, which seems unwise.
   27. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: March 01, 2018 at 07:36 PM (#5632655)
And somehow, young Frazee only had the second-worst baseball business mind in the family.

Frazee Jr later became a radio producer for CBS and NBC. He died in 1956.

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