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Monday, March 25, 2013

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-25-2013

Milwaukee Journal, March 25, 1913:

Terry [Tuck] Turner, training with the Naps down south, has been discoursing on the fine professional qualities of Raymond Bates, the kid from Newport News in the Virginia State league, who is trying to take Tuck’s job at third.

“He’s a dandy,” Tuck told a group of ball players. “He plays third as Bill Bradley did in his prime…I know it will pay to keep this fellow for a good long tryout, even if he stays on the bench most of the time. He’s a ball player.”

Terry has become so enthusiastic that when Bates picked up one of Terry’s bats, remarking that he liked it, Tuck told him he would get him three just like it from the factory.

Pure class.

Bates played 27 games with the 1913 Indians. After spending 1914-16 in the American Association and PCL, Bates was the starting third baseman for the 1917 Athletics. (This was shortly after Connie Mack blew up his powerhouse roster of the early 1910s and built the least expensive team he could.) Bates didn’t play particularly well - led the league’s third basemen in errors and put up an 84 OPS+ - and never again appeared in the majors.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 25, 2013 at 06:00 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 25, 2013 at 06:19 AM (#4395636)
An excellent top three in the starting rotation of today's Birthday Team.

C: Dan Wilson
1B: Martin Powell
2B: Jimmy Walsh
3B: Travis Fryman
SS: Woodie Held
LF: Denver Grigsby
CF: Clyde Milan
RF/Manager: Lee Mazzilli

SP: Tom Glavine
SP: 1930s Dutch Leonard
SP: Frank Dwyer
SP: Larry McKeon
SP: Brian Barnes
RP: Neal Cotts

Owners: John Fetzer, Tom Monaghan
Fun Names: Dorsey Riddlemoser, Polly McLarry, Chappy Charles
   2. Dag Nabbit at Posted: March 25, 2013 at 09:08 AM (#4395674)
Up at THT: Baseball's best bumslayers about pitchers that crush bad teams - but themselves get crushed by good teams.
   3. Rennie's Tenet Posted: March 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM (#4395728)
RF/Manager: Lee Mazzilli

It's not easy to imagine Mazzilli in right. 153 innings spread over 14 years.

For sentimental reasons, I'll add last year's good March 23 team:

C: Bo Diaz
1B: Lee May
2B: Frank Parkinson
3B: George Scott
SS: Johnny Logan
LF/SP: Mike Smith
CF: Johnny Moore
RF: Gavvy Cravath

SP: Mark Buehrle
SP: Ray Kremer
SP: Ramon Ortiz
SP: Bruce Howard
RP: Mike Remlinger

LF when Smith pitches/Manager: Jim Lemon
Scout: Cy Slapnicka
To that, I'll add great baseball name: Homer Smoot.
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 25, 2013 at 11:37 AM (#4395789)
Yeah, I felt weird putting Mazzilli in RF. Milan also played almost exclusively in CF and, despite subpar dWAR numbers at BBRef, was fairly widely considered (by his contemporaries) on par with Cobb and Speaker on defense.

Either way, someone who wasn't really a right fielder was going to end up in right field.
   5. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 25, 2013 at 11:48 AM (#4395798)
I love the article on bumslayers, Nabbit.

Scott Erickson was definitely a guy who seemed to always be giving up seven runs a game and yet did not have disastrous stats. His postseason results (9 starts) are pretty good though. Even in the 1991 WS he gave up 3 runs in 6, and 3 runs in 4.2.

The historic ones are quite a grab bag of semi-legendary people as well.
   6. esseff Posted: March 25, 2013 at 01:00 PM (#4395857)
Nearly five years after he was drafted, Navy Lt. Mitch Harris begins his pro career this season at age 28. He had about as bad a game as you can have in a major-league appearance for the Cardinals on Sunday, but still got a standing 'O' when he entered the game and more applause when he left. Cool story.
   7. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 25, 2013 at 01:12 PM (#4395870)
Lohse a Brewer! 3/33M
   8. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 25, 2013 at 01:25 PM (#4395877)
Why does that seem so obvious now? The Brewers always have to have an old pitcher on a contract like that. Now that Suppan and Wolf are gone, they were bereft of one.
   9. Mike Webber Posted: March 25, 2013 at 02:13 PM (#4395911)
This isn't what Chris was trying to do, but I always thought Eric Milton wouldn't have had a major league career if he never got to face the Royals.

Against KC 13-2 3.98 ERA 110.2 IP
Everybody else 76-83 5.07 ERA 1471.66 IP

First Season
KC 3-1 5.23 ERA 20.2 IP
Rest 5-13 6.41 151.2

He might have never made it through year one without KC.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 25, 2013 at 03:06 PM (#4395978)

He might have never made it through year one without KC

I feel like the entire success of the Twins in the early 00s was entirely due to beating up on the Royals.

Here's a fond one I remember: Luis Rivas vs. KC .287/.336/.511. He had 34 career home runs. 12 came against KC.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: March 25, 2013 at 03:54 PM (#4396053)
LF: Denver Grigsby

Now that's a name!
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 25, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4396089)

CLE: P Matt Capps, P Dice-K Matsuzaka
ARI: C Rod Barajas
PHI: IF Yuniesky Betancourt
SDP: P Freddy Garcia
LAD: P Mark Lowe
TBR: DH Jack Cust
   13. just plain joe Posted: March 25, 2013 at 04:27 PM (#4396100)
TBR: DH Jack Cust

10-12 years ago I was sure that Cust would become a star, if only he could play in the AL where he could DH and not have to try and field. He did, finally, have several years as the Oakland DH, and, if his career is indeed over, he retires with an OPS+ of 120. I have always had a soft spot for TTO types, and Cust definitely fell into that category.
   14. esseff Posted: March 25, 2013 at 06:56 PM (#4396296)
Of interest to Cardinals fans and fantasy players: Matheny says Shelby Miller will open in the rotation.

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