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Wednesday, March 28, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-28-2018

Toledo News-Bee, March 28, 1918:

The International League has postponed its funeral—probably until today. The magnates are reluctant to shake off the shackles of baseball, and were to continue their sessions at league headquarters here today. Some of the magnates are hoping that the league may find a way to run in a curtailed sort of fashion.

No need to figure this out quickly, guys. It’s not like April is four days away or anything.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 28, 2018 at 09:26 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 28, 2018 at 09:49 AM (#5644102)
Today's Birthday Team is decidedly not a contender.

C: Jimmie Coker (-0.2 WAR)
1B: Glenn Davis (19.7 WAR)
2B: Craig Paquette (-1.62 WAR)
3B: Harry Gleason (0.69 WAR)
SS: Tom McLaughlin (0.87 WAR)
LF: Johnny Johnston (0.42 WAR)
CF: Jimmy Barrett (19.04 WAR)
RF: Ryan Christenson (0.23 WAR)

SP: Lon Warneke (46.58 WAR)
SP: Vic Raschi (16.5 WAR)
SP: Paul Wilson (2.08 WAR)
SP: Joe Krakauskas (1.94 WAR)
SP: Shawn Boskie (1.21 WAR)
RP: Mark Melancon (9.98 WAR)
RP: Bryan Morris (2.5 WAR)

Owner: Gussie Busch
Amateur infielder in the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame: Takeo Tabe
Not the knuckleballer: Steve Sparks
   2. Man o' Schwar Posted: March 28, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5644135)
Wow a Shawn Boskie sighting. He, Mike Harkey, and Lance Dickson were supposed to join Maddux in the Cub rotation that would anchor the team in the 90s. Didn't quite work out that way.
   3. PreservedFish Posted: March 28, 2018 at 10:48 AM (#5644140)
I remember years ago getting into epic arguments with a message board troll or doofus that wouldn't accept that Vic Raschi's extraordinary win percentage had anything to do with his run support.
   4. bunyon Posted: March 28, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5644148)
Where is the place to go to find spring roster moves? There must be a central site that does this, right?

When I google specific players, I find very little information on where they are going to be in 2018.
   5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5644154)
I remember Boskie being the guy who grooved one to Cal Ripken on the day Cal broke Gehrig's consecutive games record.

Apart from that, he's one of a pile of late 80s, early 90s pitchers who are all about the same to me: Boskie, Jeff Pico, Pat Combs, Jeff Ballard, Bob Milacki. Just sort of hanging out around 90 ERA+, good enough to fill out the back of a rotation but not much better. Ballard had that big season, of course, so he's maybe a half-step above the others.

Speaking of Jeff Ballard, I can't even fathom there being a starting pitcher in current-day MLB that could average less than two strikeouts per start. (Ballard struck out 204 batters in 118 starts.) That's mindblowing. I'm not even sure it would be possible to do that these days without just throwing batting practice.
   6. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5644157)
Where is the place to go to find spring roster moves? There must be a central site that does this, right?
I find Roster Resource useful and reliable, but would be interested to hear other ideas.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5644158)
What is the K/9 of position players pitching?
   8. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5644171)
What is the K/9 of position players pitching?
Using the numbers from here and not counting Rick Ankiel, position players with a pitching appearance and who have appeared in MLB since 2007 have 56 K in 172.1 IP. (2.92 K/9)

For what it's worth, they have a 6.42 ERA.
   9. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5644175)
Trivia: remember the 2003 Tigers? the team that went 43-119? I just looked at them by WAR. They are credited with a total of 4.0 WAR and they did have 49 Pythagorean wins.

A) They only had one good player who played more than 100 games. He led the team with 3.4 WAR. He led the team in R, H, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, SO, BA, OBP, and SLG. He had 16 of their 24 intentional walks. Who is he?

B) Next highest was 1.7 WAR. Who was that? He had gotten some NL Rookie of the Year votes 4 years earlier.

C) As is traditional, one of their highest paid players was one of the worst. What 3B, in his 12th and final season, racked up an amazing -0.9 WAR in only 98 PAs with an OPS of .397?

D) But leading the team in the negative department, with -1.2 WAR, was what backup catcher?

E) The pitching staff was credited with -1.1 WAR. One pitcher singlehandedly accounted for -1.1 WAR. Name this rookie who had been promoted directly from Lakeland.

F) Name the one pitcher (also a starter) with more than 1.0 WAR on the positive side. This season made up the majority of his major-league career.

G) Only one Tiger had more than 10 steals. This center fielder had 44 steals, and that was after coming over from the Brewers on May 27.
   10. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5644183)
Another position player pitching stat: Chris Gimenez is one pitching appearance away from becoming the first non-Ankiel position player to pitch 10+ times since Willie Smith. I'm not even sure Smith should count because looking at his 1964 game log, it looks like the Angels permanently converted him from pitcher to outfielder in mid-season. After the position change (mid-June 1964), Smith played 7.5 more MLB seasons and pitched three times.

If you don't count Ankiel or Willie Smith, you've got to go back to Johnny O'Brien, whose last game was in 1959, to find a position player who pitched 10 or more times in the majors.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5644184)
1) Higginson?
   12. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5644188)
C) Eric Munson?
D) Gabe Alvarez?
G) Nook Logan?
   13. PreservedFish Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5644191)
A) Dmitri Young? Carlos Guillen?
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5644196)
C - Dean Palmer?
   15. Tom T Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5644199)
E) has to be Bonderman
   16. Batman Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5644203)
The 2003 Tigers page, like all team pages, has pictures of their top 12 players, except one is missing a photo. No known pictures of Brandon Inge survive today.
   17. Tom T Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5644204)
Okay looked 'em all up. No way I ever would have remembered D), F) or G).

Also had not previously realized how short the career of B) ended up being. Remembered him too much from the CWS, I suppose.

And bbref doesn't have a picture for Brandon Inge??? (Coke to Batman)
   18. PreservedFish Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:50 AM (#5644211)

Also had not previously realized how short the career of B) ended up being. Remembered him too much from the CWS, I suppose.


With this clue, I'm going Warren Morris.
   19. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5644218)
A) Dmitri Young? Carlos Guillen?


Dmitri Young is correct. You can tell he had a great season (his career year, aside from his other career year with the Nationals) because a 43-win team got him as their All-Star representative instead of a relief pitcher. Carlos Guillen was still on the Mariners.

1) Higginson?


He was their other established star, but had his first bad year in a while.

C - Dean Palmer?


Dean Palmer is correct. Eric Munson was a good guess but no way did that guy have a 12-year career. Among their many other unimpressive third basemen were Shane Halter, Craig Paquette, and future third baseman Brandon Inge.

E) has to be Bonderman


Correct. And I was going to go through and ask which 2003 Tiger had the longest post-2003 career, but ran out of time. Probably either him or Carlos Peña.

   20. Batman Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5644224)
Correct. And I was going to go through and ask which 2003 Tiger had the longest post-2003 career, but ran out of time. Probably either him or Carlos Peña.
One of them is still around.
   21. esseff Posted: March 28, 2018 at 11:59 AM (#5644225)


If you don't count Ankiel or Willie Smith, you've got to go back to Johnny O'Brien, whose last game was in 1959, to find a position player who pitched 10 or more times in the majors.


Mel Queen (the younger)?
   22. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 28, 2018 at 12:01 PM (#5644229)
Warren Morris is also correct.

D had previously played catcher for the Twins and Angels.

G may be best known for being a pioneer in the field of being suspended for PEDs.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 28, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5644240)
I guessed Jacob Cruz for G and then looked it up - it was the guy I was thinking of, but I got his name wrong. In my defense, Cruz was a Tiger in 2002.
   24. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 28, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5644245)
D had previously played catcher for the Twins and Angels.
It's not Walbeck, is it?
Mel Queen (the younger)?
BBRef considers him a pitcher who happened to start off as an outfielder. I guess I can see that - Queen spent 389.2 innings on the mound and 293 innings in the outfield.
   25. caspian88 Posted: March 28, 2018 at 12:30 PM (#5644258)
Mike Maroth for F and Alex Sanchez for G?
   26. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 28, 2018 at 12:34 PM (#5644261)
Matt Walbeck is correct! The worst player on the worst team in a generation.

Alex Sanchez is correct! The man who proved PEDs help with speed as well as size. 52 steals in a season (across the Tigers and Brewers) put him third in the majors behind two Florida-based players. Name them!

Mike Maroth is not correct. I do remember Mike Maroth starting the year as the only Tigers pitcher anyone had ever heard of, after they got rid of Jeff Weaver and Mark Redman.
   27. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 28, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5644268)
52 steals in a season (across the Tigers and Brewers) put him third in the majors behind two Florida-based players. Name them!
Juan Pierre and Luis Castillo?
   28. PreservedFish Posted: March 28, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5644269)
I googled Nate Colbert, who of course was an entirely different player, but I think I was on the right track.
   29. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 28, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5644291)
Apart from that, he's one of a pile of late 80s, early 90s pitchers who are all about the same to me: Boskie, Jeff Pico, Pat Combs, Jeff Ballard, Bob Milacki.

Jeff Pico was also mentioned in another thread today--what are the odds of THAT?
   30. JJ1986 Posted: March 28, 2018 at 12:58 PM (#5644296)
52 steals in a season (across the Tigers and Brewers) put him third in the majors behind two Florida-based players. Name them!
Carl Crawford?
   31. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 28, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5644302)
Yes, Juan Pierre and Carl Crawford.

28 is correct - the most pitching WAR on the 2003 Tigers was by Nate Cornejo. You either remember Nate Cornejo, or you don't. And we don't. However, three facts about him:

- When I search for him on Google, the picture that comes up is not him, but his lookalike, Uncle Fester.
- His father was also a major leaguer. Despite the Spanish surname, both were born in Kansas.
- His 2003 season featured a since-unequalled lack of strikeouts. WHIP of 1.510 and a K/BB ratio of 0.79.
18 home runs in 194.2 innings - that's good!
236 hits in 194.2 innings - that's bad!
58 walks in 194.2 innings - that's good!
46 strikeouts in 194.2 innings - that's bad!
   32. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 28, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5644307)
Despite the Spanish surname, both were born in Kansas.
The emphasis is on the "Corn."
   33. PreservedFish Posted: March 28, 2018 at 01:16 PM (#5644318)
Is that a recent BIP% record for Cornejo? I wonder how much you could swing his ERA by putting him in front of a really good defense.
   34. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 28, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5644323)
Turning every hitter into a Zero True Outcomes hitter... hard to sustain those results. Makes for entertaining games though.
   35. Batman Posted: March 28, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5644364)
I like the picture that shows up for Nate Cornejo when you Google him. Luckily he showed up in pictures, unlike his vampire teammate Brandon Inge.
   36. oscar madisox Posted: March 28, 2018 at 04:20 PM (#5644489)
If you don't count Ankiel or Willie Smith, you've got to go back to Johnny O'Brien, whose last game was in 1959, to find a position player who pitched 10 or more times in the majors.


Now that J.D. Davis has made the Astros I wonder how long before he gets there. I wouldn't put it past Hinch to pitch him several times this year.

   37. bunyon Posted: March 28, 2018 at 08:23 PM (#5644631)
Where is the place to go to find spring roster moves? There must be a central site that does this, right?
I find Roster Resource useful and reliable, but would be interested to hear other ideas.


Thanks, Dan.
   38. crict Posted: March 29, 2018 at 07:22 AM (#5644713)
Quick question: Jordan Zimmermann will be the Tigers' opening day starter. He had a 6.07 ERA last year. Where does that rank in terms of worst ERA for opening day starters?
   39. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: March 29, 2018 at 08:57 AM (#5644724)
Spring roster moves: Roster Resource is pretty good as a one-stop shop.
I rely on a host of sources, as transactions stuff is my thing. @MLBRosterMoves on twitter is part of that mix.
   40. SoSH U at work Posted: March 29, 2018 at 09:18 AM (#5644733)
Rusty Staub has died.

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