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Thursday, March 29, 2012

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-29-2012

El Paso Herald, March 29, 1912:

After considering such appelations as “Wardens,” “Wardites” and “Klingers,” the Boston National league baseball club officials have ordered that “Braves” is the name which will be informally adopted for Manager Kling’s Boston National league ball tossers.
...

The fact that J.M. Ward is a member of the New York Tammany wigwam suggested the name “Braves.”

The Klingers would be a pretty good name for a Toledo ballclub.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: March 29, 2012 at 02:51 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: March 29, 2012 at 02:59 AM (#4092029)
It's Billy Beane's birthday, and the Birthday Team is a throwback to Beane's most successful teams: A couple of terrific starting pitchers, position players with generally good OBPs, and a few productive and relatively obscure (read: inexpensive) second-line players.

C: Bill Harbridge
1B: Ferris Fain
2B: Geronimo Pena
3B: Domingo Ramos
SS: Mike Ramsey
LF: Duff Cooley
CF/Manager: Tommy Holmes
RF: Brian Jordan

SP: Cy Young
SP/Stadium Organ Player: Denny McLain
SP: Bill Dietrich
SP: Hank Gastright
SP: Johnny Gorsica
RP: Tom Hume
RP: Danny Kolb

General Manager: Billy Beane

We're not selling jeans here.
   2. Dan Posted: March 29, 2012 at 05:06 AM (#4092041)
Anyone else watching the A's - Mariners game? This seems like as good a place for discussion as any.
   3. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 29, 2012 at 05:14 AM (#4092042)
I'm watching it.

Wow, Kila's hitting 9th. I wonder what the win% is for teams that have their first baseman bat ninth.
   4. Dan Posted: March 29, 2012 at 05:21 AM (#4092043)
Cespedes reminds me of BJ Upton in CF: Big strides, doesn't look like he's running hard, but he covers a lot of ground quickly.
   5. Dan Posted: March 29, 2012 at 05:29 AM (#4092044)
Reddick's been hitting the ball hard. Nothing to show for it yet. I still believe in him.
   6. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 29, 2012 at 05:52 AM (#4092046)
Ichiro is a combination of "Beatles, Elvis, Black Eyed Peas"?

I should probably cut the commentators some slack, it can't be fun to be commentating on this game from Seattle, given the time difference.
   7. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: March 29, 2012 at 06:10 AM (#4092048)
Wow, Kila's hitting 9th. I wonder what the win% is for teams that have their first baseman bat ninth.


The Ranger had Mitch Moreland batting 9th in the DH games the last 2 WS.
   8. Dan Posted: March 29, 2012 at 06:15 AM (#4092049)
Reddick!
   9. Dan Posted: March 29, 2012 at 06:16 AM (#4092050)
The Ranger had Mitch Moreland batting 9th in the DH games the last 2 WS.


Does a Ron Washington lineup really count though?
   10. AndrewJ Posted: March 29, 2012 at 06:25 AM (#4092054)
I love the passive-aggressiveness of MLB which dictates that

a) playing Opening Day in the middle of the night for much of the US is necessary for the growth of the game and;

b) starting the occasional World Series game at 1 or 4 pm EST would somehow irrevocably destroy fan interest.
   11. Dan Posted: March 29, 2012 at 06:52 AM (#4092056)
He's got real power
   12. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: March 29, 2012 at 06:55 AM (#4092058)
Facts:

1. Cespedes is a mammal.
2. Cespedes plays baseball ALL the time.
3. The purpose of the Cespedes is to flip out and crush home runs.

And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   13. Dan Posted: March 29, 2012 at 06:58 AM (#4092059)
I miss Reddick already.
   14. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: March 29, 2012 at 07:02 AM (#4092061)
I'm sitting here thinking about how the Indians completely fleeced Montreal on the Colon for Sizemore and Lee deal - even without Lee it was a huge win - and yet, ten years later, Bartolo Colon is a more valuable commodity than Grady Sizemore.

That's wild.
   15. crict Posted: March 29, 2012 at 07:47 AM (#4092066)
By my count, Yoenis Cespedes is the 5th player to hit his first career MLB homerun outside of USA and Canada.

Others are: Joey Hamilton (Mexico, 96), Eric Valent (PR, 04), Charles Thomas (PR, 04) and Brandon Moss (Japan, 08)
   16. bobm Posted: March 29, 2012 at 08:19 AM (#4092075)
[3] I wonder what the win% is for teams that have their first baseman bat ninth

From 1919 to 2011, Batting #9, Played exactly: 1B, as Starter: 375 W - 362 L. Only 1 of the 737 games I found on BR PI came before 1973.

Only 3 games have two starting first basemen batting ninth:

From 1919 to 2011, Batting #9, Played exactly: 1B, as Starter, sorted by greatest number of players matching selected criteria in a Single Game
                                 
Rk    Tm Opp       Date #Matching
1    OAK PHI 2008-06-25         2
2    NYY BAL 2007-09-28         2
3    BAL ANA 2004-05-21         2


188 players comprise the 737 games:

Career Stats:

                                                                                                           
Rk              Player        #Matching  PA  AB  H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS SH SF IBB HBP GDP
1          Carlos Pena    44 Ind. Games 159 143 32  5  0  8  17 14 46 .224 .296 .427 .722  0  1   0   1   3
                                                                                                           
2    Doug Mientkiewicz    38 Ind. Games 133 114 34 10  0  3  15 13 19 .298 .377 .465 .842  3  1   0   2   1
                                                                                                           
3         Miguel Cairo    23 Ind. Games  90  85 27  7  0  0   9  0 14 .318 .341 .400 .741  2  0   0   3   3
                                                                                                           
4         Nick Johnson    22 Ind. Games  83  71 21  3  0  4  10  8 11 .296 .390 .507 .897  1  0   0   3   1
                                                                                                           
5         Daric Barton    18 Ind. Games  62  59 12  1  0  1   5  3 11 .203 .242 .271 .513  0  0   0   0   0
                                                                                                           
6        Ben Broussard    17 Ind. Games  60  56 10  1  0  2   7  3 15 .179 .233 .304 .537  0  0   0   1   0
7         Dave Bergman    17 Ind. Games  54  47  8  0  1  1   2  4  8 .170 .235 .277 .512  3  0   0   0   3
                                                                                                           
8        Andy Phillips    16 Ind. Games  62  54 18  1  0  2  12  6  9 .333 .393 .463 .856  1  1   0   0   1
9           Andy Marte    16 Ind. Games  60  54 16  1  1  2   8  4 13 .296 .350 .463 .813  0  1   0   1   3
10         Ron Jackson    16 Ind. Games  57  52 15  4  0  1   6  4  4 .288 .333 .423 .756  0  1   0   0   2


Season Stats:
                                     
Rk              Player Year #Matching
1          Carlos Pena 2002        38
                                     
2    Doug Mientkiewicz 2007        20
3         Nick Johnson 2002        20
                                     
4         Daric Barton 2008        17
                                     
5           Andy Marte 2009        16
6        Ben Broussard 2008        16
                                     
7        Willie Upshaw 1987        15
                                     
8    Doug Mientkiewicz 1999        14
                                     
9          Dan Johnson 2006        13
10         Ron Jackson 1980        13


The 737 games are accounted for by 178 team-seasons:

                       
Rk    Tm Year #Matching
1    NYY 2007        44
                       
2    OAK 2002        38
                       
3    OAK 2008        21
4    NYY 2002        21
                       
5    CLE 2009        19
                       
6    TEX 2008        17
7    MIN 1980        17
                       
8    OAK 2006        16
9    NYY 1998        16
10   DET 2000        16



   17. bobm Posted: March 29, 2012 at 08:22 AM (#4092076)
From 1919 to 2011, Batting #9, On Birthday, Played exactly: 1B, as Starter, sorted by most recent date

                                                                                                                                       
Rk          Player       Date  Tm Opp  Rslt PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF ROE GDP SB CS   WPA   RE24  aLI BOP Pos. Summary
1    Lars Anderson 2010-09-25 BOS NYY W 7-3  5  4 1 1  0  0  0   0  1   0  1   0  0  0   0   0  0  0 0.048 -0.439 .662   9           1B
2      Eric Munson 2001-10-03 DET MIN W 9-5  4  4 1 1  0  0  1   2  0   0  1   0  0  0   0   0  0  0 0.208  1.071 .533   9           1B
   18. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: March 29, 2012 at 08:25 AM (#4092078)
It's Billy Beane's birthday,

Not just any birthday, today is the 50th birthday for Billy Beane. Who's the best looking GM in the AARP?
   19. Danny Posted: March 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM (#4092297)
Reds leaning toward closer-by-committee
“I have to talk to the guys,” Baker said. “I have to work it. You just don’t throw somebody in that role. A closer ideally can go three or four days in a row, then might not get work for a week. There aren’t too many guys out there that have gone three or four days in a row. I’ve been told about Marshall (that) you try to stay away from him three days in a row.”

Marshall pitched 3 days in a row three times last year and four times in 2010--never allowing a run.

Francisco Cordero, who he'd be replacing, did it 4 times last year (one of which amazingly included 4 walks and a balk in a scoreless inning).
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 29, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4092334)
Reds leaning toward closer-by-committee


The link doesn't work, but am I to assume Chapman is part of this committee? All those in favor of that being a waste of his talents, say "aye."
   21. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: March 29, 2012 at 12:48 PM (#4092374)
but am I to assume Chapman is part of this committee


Chapman is starting today's game. Doesn't mean he won't end up in the bullpen, but, I think the Reds are still looking at him as a starter.
   22. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 29, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4092392)
The Pirates 40-man roster currently has seven players whose last names start with "Mc".
   23. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: March 29, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4092423)
This is clearly a nod to the overwhelming success of the McClatchy era.
   24. PepTech Posted: March 29, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4092428)
Trying to decide if I should trade Nelson Cruz and Michael Bourn for Prince Fielder and Brett Lawrie... I already have Konerko and Berkman, one of them is still alive, right?

If there's a better place to ask this, point me there.
   25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 29, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4092437)
Cubs acquire 1B Jair Boegarts from Boston as the PTBNL in the Theo Epstein deal. He is the twin brother of Xander Boegarts, one of Boston's top prospects.

Marlins release OF Aaron Rowand

Indians acquire P Jairo Asencio from Atlanta for cash

   26. PepTech Posted: March 29, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4092449)
Pineda may start in AAA? How will the fans take THAT?
   27. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 29, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4092453)
[3] I wonder what the win% is for teams that have their first baseman bat ninth

From 1919 to 2011, Batting #9, Played exactly: 1B, as Starter: 375 W - 362 L. Only 1 of the 737 games I found on BR PI came before 1973.


That is awesome, thanks bobm both for the information and for reminding me about Miguel Cairo, starting First Baseman.
   28. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 29, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4092459)
1 OAK PHI 2008-06-25 2

Let me guess, Drederic Barton and Chris Coste.
...
ERIC BRUNTLETT?
   29. alkeiper Posted: March 29, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4092494)
Chris Carpenter is likely to start the season on the Disabled List. He's pitched like an ace at times but he has almost no shot at the Hall of Fame. Led me to create the Chris Carpenter All-Stars. Most talented players who missed the Hall mostly due to shorter careers and missed playing time. Max 6000 Plate Appearances for Batters, 2500 innings for pitchers.

C: Gene Tenace
1B: Hal Trosky
2B: Chase Utley (Making an assumption that he'll never return to form. Otherwise substitute George Grantham.)
SS: Ray Chapman
3B: Al Rosen
LF: Charlie Keller
CF: Wally Berger
RF: Gavvy Cravath
DH: Cliff Johnson

SP: Sal Maglie
SP: Harry Brecheen
SP: Ron Guidry
SP: Max Lanier
SP: Mel Parnell
Closer: Bryan Harvey
   30. Bob Evans Posted: March 29, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4092559)
Replace Cliff Johnson with Edgar.
   31. esseff Posted: March 29, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4092582)
Chris Carpenter is just setting the stage for his third Comeback Player of the Year award, in 2013.
   32. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 29, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4092590)
[29] Saberhagen would be a great fit for that team, thought he just missed the IP cutoff (2562).
   33. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: March 29, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4092624)
Wait, BB-REF has Negro Leagues stats now???? How did I miss this? And can I sponsor one of those pages?
   34. Walt Davis Posted: March 29, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4092625)
Wait ... am I the only one going to make a "how do you say 'Mets Suck' in Klingon" joke?
   35. AndrewJ Posted: March 29, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4092638)
Marlins release OF Aaron Rowand

The Phils should sign him to a one-year deal. He was quite beloved in Philly.
   36. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 29, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4092646)
At his toastiness, he would be hated within a month.

Leave the memory of the bases loaded CF fence face plant catch (against the Mets no less) alone.
   37. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 29, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4092649)
Johan Santana is going to be on that list someday.

Jose Rijo and Teddy Higuera are probably a notch below. Ben McDonald, Ben Sheets, Alex Fernandez, and Dave Dravecky a notch below that.
   38. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 29, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4092653)
Wait ... am I the only one going to make a "how do you say 'Mets Suck' in Klingon" joke?

I think so, so go ahead.
   39. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: March 29, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4092668)
mlbtraderumors has rumors that bobby abreu may go to cleveland (heman) and that crowe was pulled from a cleveland minor league game (morosi, robothal).
   40. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4092669)
Seems like an odd fit unless they are willing to have Bobby not catch fly balls in the outfield. Is Hafner hurt?

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