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Monday, March 04, 2013

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-4-2013

New York Tribune, March 4, 1913:

Hugh Jennings, manager of the Detroit Tigers, feels indifferent about the refusal of Sam Crawford, the veteran outfielder, to sign a contract. Hughie intimates that Crawford may be relegated to the bench when he does get in line, in favor of Rabbit Powell, the youngster from St. Joseph, in the Western League.

Sure, Hughie. That’s exactly what you’ll do. You’ll bench a guy who, over the last two seasons, has hit .352/.406/.498 and averaged 57 XBH, 40 SB, 95 runs, and 112 RBI.

Powell, by the way, actually was a pretty good ballplayer. Career OPS+ of 102 in nine seasons, appears to have been a decent center fielder, led the league in triples once. He just wasn’t Sam Crawford.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 06:13 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, history, hughie jennings, ray powell, sam crawford

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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 06:22 AM (#4380013)
Excellent top of the rotation on today's Birthday Team. They've got the wrong Bob Johnson, though.

C: Emil Gross
1B: Al McCauley
2B: Cass Michaels
3B: Jack Hannahan
SS: Bob Johnson
LF: Lefty O'Doul
CF: Red Murray
RF: Bruce Aven

SP: Dazzy Vance
SP: Jeff Pfeffer
SP: Johnny Enzmann
SP: Cory Luebke
SP: Jack Fisher
RP: Sergio Romo

Manager: Sam Perlozzo
General Manager: Tom Grieve
Fun Names: Hiram Bocachica, Rubby De La Rosa
   2. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 06:23 AM (#4380014)
I'm still working on getting Birthday League III up and running. Should be within a day or so.
   3. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: March 04, 2013 at 08:19 AM (#4380034)
Up at THT: Five questions: Chicago White Sox. It's part of the site's annual series of preseason columns on each team. I'm kinda proud of the fact that I found something to say about new GM Rick Hahn - not so much about Hahn himself, but something to put him in context.
   4. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 04, 2013 at 08:30 AM (#4380039)
Rabbit Powell's nickname must have been tongue in cheek, given that for the years of his career for which we have CS data he stole 21 bases and was caught 56 times. I wonder what would have happened if Joe Morgan had been born 60 years earlier and wrote Moneyball in 1910?
   5. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 04, 2013 at 08:52 AM (#4380043)
Trivia:

There are three players who have been active for at least 5 years, and whose career totals for walks and extra base hits both exceed their career totals for strikeouts. Name them.
   6. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 04, 2013 at 08:59 AM (#4380044)
Pujols?
   7. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:00 AM (#4380047)
Votto, Braun, Cabrera, and Helton.

Now to check and see how I did.
   8. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:02 AM (#4380049)
Pujols?

Yes. Not extremely shocking in his case. (He only makes it because of his 267 IBB, though - he has 20 fewer UBB than strikeouts.)
   9. JJ1986 Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:03 AM (#4380050)
Jeff Keppinger?
   10. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:04 AM (#4380051)
Do you mean they are all still active?

Edit: Of course you do.....
   11. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:05 AM (#4380052)
Votto, Braun, Cabrera, and Helton.

None of these. At least two of them were also guys I guessed when I was asked this question.

Helton qualifies on walks, but not XBH. If he'd had a few more years like 2000...
   12. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:06 AM (#4380053)
Martin Prado? Keppinger is correct.

Edit:
Prado is not even close.
   13. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:06 AM (#4380054)
Jeff Keppinger?

And of course someone gets the ridiculous answer almost immediately. 179 walks, 176 XBH, 173 strikeouts. (He also wouldn't qualify on UBB - he's been intentionally walked 8 times. The other answer doesn't need his intentional walks.)
   14. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:07 AM (#4380056)
Martin Prado?

Nope.
   15. JJ1986 Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:10 AM (#4380057)
And of course someone gets the ridiculous answer almost immediately.


He's the only guy in the league right now who I know has an extremely low number of strikeouts.
   16. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:15 AM (#4380061)
He's the only guy in the league right now who I know has an extremely low number of strikeouts.

There are a few others, but Keppinger is one of the better hitters of the group, hence the walks and extra-base hits.
   17. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:19 AM (#4380065)
reposted from the last dugout, though the clip itself is old by now and already went viral

I imagine most people have already seen it, but did anyone ever link to this catch? 'Cause, holy smokes - and right after missing a year with a knee injury (Brett Williams, NC State).

***

Pedroia
   18. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:19 AM (#4380066)
Pedroia

Pedroia is the third answer. (Well, I thought of him as the second answer, but he was guessed third.)
   19. Rally Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:28 AM (#4380070)
That's one way the sport has objectively declined over the decades. Nobody today is nicknamed Rabbit.
   20. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:36 AM (#4380075)
We do have a big donkey though
   21. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:48 AM (#4380082)
Placido Polanco isn't that close. Surprisingly, his XBH are a fair bit closer than his walks. 507>470>406
   22. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 04, 2013 at 09:51 AM (#4380085)
Placido Polanco isn't that close. Surprisingly, his XBH are a fair bit closer than his walks. 507>470>406

Juan Pierre was one of my guesses when I was doing the guessing. He pulled it off in a few individual seasons ('01, '03, and '04), but his power has proved to be more limited than his strikeouts (353 XBH vs. 452 K). He's only one walk short, though.
   23. BDC Posted: March 04, 2013 at 10:51 AM (#4380132)
I'm moderately surprised to see that Joe Mauer has more walks than strikeouts, but not nearly as many XBH. I must have been fooled into thinking he hits 28 home runs every year :)

B-Ref also tells me that a journeyman relief pitcher named Brandon Lyon has two big-league plate appearances, with a walk and a double, for a 1.000/1.000/2.000 career line.
   24. spike Posted: March 04, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4380291)
@5, shame Chipper retired - I'd have gotten one of these last year anyway. More walks (1512) than K's (1409) over a 19 year career is pretty danged impressive.
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:02 PM (#4380306)

@5, shame Chipper retired - I'd have gotten one of these last year anyway. More walks (1512) than K's (1409) over a 19 year career is pretty danged impressive.


He didn't have more XBH than Ks though.

   26. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:38 PM (#4380341)
jason michaels stay in the nats org as a player/coach for a minor league club. man, has he lost it at the plate.
angels cut kobayashi.
   27. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 05:59 PM (#4380540)
Thing I just learned as I continue to build the rosters for Birthday League III: Terrmel Sledge and Garvin Hamner share a birthday.

The Sledge-Hamner combo is sure to strike fear into the hearts of...fans of their team.
   28. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: March 04, 2013 at 06:12 PM (#4380546)
Now now, Dan, don't be rasche.
   29. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 06:23 PM (#4380552)
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
   30. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: March 04, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4380556)
Favorite show as a kid
   31. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 06:38 PM (#4380557)
Yep, mine too. Was totally crushed when ABC canceled it - hadn't quite grasped that it doesn't matter how great a show is, it's doomed if nobody watches.
   32. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: March 05, 2013 at 12:21 AM (#4380737)
fish prospect charlie lowell arrested for reported attack on cheating girlfriend

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