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Friday, March 09, 2012

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-9-2012

El Paso Herald, March 9, 1912. Jimmy Ryan on the Chicago White Stockings’ 1886 National League pennant:

It was near the finish of a great campaign…and every game counted most materially. Old John Brown, who was the treasurer of the club…grew more and more worried as the final days drew near.
...

[Brown] went to the ball park, and abstracted a case of a dozen balls. Then he flitted back home, opened the door of the oven in his kitchen, and put those balls in the oven…He bounced one of the baked balls, subjected all night to a gentle heat, and it bounded to the ceiling.
...

Old John heaved one of those baked balls into the field. Two minutes later, it was over the fence, driven there on a long home run, and old John chucked in another. Before the first inning ended, we had a comfortable lead, and we raised the margin right along.
...

None of us knew about the baked balls until after the season ended, when old John confessed everything to us one jolly evening.

THEY BAKED THE BASEBALLS, MR. PRESIDENT.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 09, 2012 at 09:25 AM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 09, 2012 at 09:29 AM (#4077388)
A Hall of Fame third baseman and a Hall of Fame manager, but otherwise a pretty blech Birthday Team:
C: Benito Santiago
1B: Aaron F. Boone
2B: Willy Aybar
3B: Arky Vaughan
SS: Bert Campaneris
LF: Jim Landis
CF/Manager: Billy Southworth
RF: Jackie Jensen

SP: Terry Mulholland
SP: Lefty Williams
SP: John Curtis
SP: Jesse Litsch
SP: Al Atkinson
RP: Ron Kline

Fun Names: Shooty Babitt, Iron Davis, Vince Horsman, Rolla Mapel
Not the one with the handlebar mustache: Clay Rapada
   2. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 09, 2012 at 09:32 AM (#4077390)
Also 100 years ago today, the Salt Lake Tribune reports that Abe Attell's brother Monte bet against Abe in an upcoming bout.

You'll do doubt be surprised to find out that Abe lost and his brother made a nice chunk of change.
   3. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: March 09, 2012 at 09:40 AM (#4077396)
The real baseball story from 100 years ago today was (as noted in post #1): the birth of Arky Vaughan. Happy centennial, Arky. He's that rare thing - a guy maybe the second best ever at his position, but certainly not the best ever for his team at that position.

TRIVIA QUESTION
The link gives a list of all HoF who played in 1935. The list is in order of when they were inducted. Before clicking on the link, can you guess the only two 1935 HoF players who were inducted AFTER Vaughan?

Check the link for your answer.
   4. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: March 09, 2012 at 10:09 AM (#4077415)
I would have guess Jackie Jensen was in the Hall of Fame, but I must have been giving him credit for some of Frankie Frisch's career.
   5. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 09, 2012 at 11:07 AM (#4077451)
None of us knew about the baked balls until after the season ended

I don't know about you guys, but I just hate when my balls get baked.
   6. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 09, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4077457)
The link gives a list of all HoF who played in 1935. The list is in order of when they were inducted. Before clicking on the link, can you guess the only two 1935 HoF players who were inducted AFTER Vaughan?
I haven't clicke don the link. My guesses are....Chick Hafey and Rick Ferrell.

UPDATE: I was 0 for 2. But one of my guesses was elected the year immediately BEFORE Mr. Vaughan. So I give myself partial credit.
   7. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 09, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4077465)
I got 1 for 2. I thought maybe Casey Stengel was still playing in 1935, but I was off by 10 years. I was thinking The Old Perfessor was a bit younger than he was.
   8. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: March 09, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4077479)
I got 1 for 2. I thought maybe Casey Stengel was still playing in 1935, but I was off by 10 years. I was thinking The Old Perfessor was a bit younger than he was.


He was my first thought too, but it was wrong for both reasons. He was inducted into the Hall 19 years before Vaughan.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 09, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4077484)
A's release Landon Powell. Saves them half a million bucks of the $600k owed him.
   10. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 09, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4077489)
The link gives a list of all HoF who played in 1935. The list is in order of when they were inducted. Before clicking on the link, can you guess the only two 1935 HoF players who were inducted AFTER Vaughan?


You must not be including Negro Leaguers.

Anyway, I'll guess Red Ruffing and Tony Lazzeri. They just kept putting people in from those Yankees teams every few years.
   11. kthejoker Posted: March 09, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4077496)
Durocher and ... Lazzeri?

EDIT: Ahh, I see you weren't counting people in as managers.
   12. Guapo Posted: March 09, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4077520)
I was 1 for 2, guessing the guy who hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet. My wrong guess was Bobby Doerr, who didn't debut until 1937.
   13. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: March 09, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4077525)
A's release Landon Powell. Saves them half a million bucks of the $600k owed him.

Too bad, I thought he made a perfectly decent backup - he was never gonna not be stuck behind Kurt Suzuki, anyway.
So are the A's converting one of their 73 spring-training outfielders into a catcher?
   14. JJ1986 Posted: March 09, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4077543)
So are the A's converting one of their 73 spring-training outfielders into a catcher?


Not Jason Pridie. 50 game suspension for him.
   15. SouthSideRyan Posted: March 09, 2012 at 01:27 PM (#4077573)
The Cubs are charging $140/ticket for bleachers in the Red Sox series.
   16. Bob Evans Posted: March 09, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4077589)
The Cubs are charging $140/ticket for their Red Sox series.

Serious question: is this via their scalping outlet, or is it the printed-on-the-ticket price?
   17. Walt Davis Posted: March 09, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4077735)
A Hall of Fame third baseman and a Hall of Fame manager, but otherwise a pretty blech Birthday Team:

Really? I mean the pitching is terrible but that looks like one of the best lineups of any day:

Santiago: 24 WAR, RoY, 5 AS, 3 GG, probably a top 30 C (OK, top 40)
Boone: 10 WAR, 1 AS
Aybar: 3.1 WAR, meh
Vaughan: 76 WAR, 9 AS games, top 5 all-time SS
Campy: 45 WAR, 6 AS games, probably top 15 all-time SS
Landis*: 22 WAR, 1 AS game, 5 GG as a CF so tear it up in LF
Southworth: 20 WAR
Jensen: 27 WAR, 1 MVP, 3 AS games, 1 GG (probably undeserved)

Aybar is the only guy in that lineup who's anywhere near a scrub. All-stars at 7 of 9 positions (and Southworth may have made one given the chance).

EDIT: seriously, how many better ones could there be? That's 227 WAR out of a 9-man lineup. And it's a legit lineup where the only guys playing out of position are guys moving to an EASIER position -- Vaughan to 3B, Boone to 1B, Landis to LF. (Aybar at 1B, Boone at 2B might be better defensively and equally legit.)

EDIT2: And meant to point out that b-r now has a line of "Did not play in major leagues (Military Service)"!!
   18. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 09, 2012 at 03:42 PM (#4077741)
Yeah! Any time I've actually heard of everyone in the starting lineup, it's a fantastic birthday team.
   19. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 09, 2012 at 03:54 PM (#4077752)

The Cubs are charging $140/ticket for bleachers in the Red Sox series.


Thus guaranteeing that the bleachers will be filled with Red Sox fans instead of Cub fans.
   20. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 09, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4077766)
Really? I mean the pitching is terrible but that looks like one of the best lineups of any day:

Yeah, I guess maybe I was overly harsh. I'll be the first to admit I have an irrational hatred of Aaron Boone, though you probably would too if you had to watch a team that thought it could legitimately contend for championships roll him out there for two years and 1000 PA of .246/.306/.375 and treestumpesque defense at third.
   21. Der-K convinces people that Hot Pockets are pies. Posted: March 09, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4077770)
yet he might make the bench for the all '73 team.
   22. SouthSideRyan Posted: March 09, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4077842)
Serious question: is this via their scalping outlet, or is it the printed-on-the-ticket price?


Ticket. Next highest bleacher ticket was $78. The other tickets seemed to fall in line with the standard premium prices. Odd that they'd just single out the bleachers for this one series.
   23. AndrewJ Posted: March 09, 2012 at 10:31 PM (#4078012)
EDIT2: And meant to point out that b-r now has a line of "Did not play in major leagues (Military Service)"!!

Far be it from me to tell Sean Forman what to do next, but he needs to acquire the player career interruption data from the now-defunct Neft/Cohen Sports Encyclopedia: Baseball series (which first appeared in the original 1969 Macmillan Encyclopedia) and incorporate it into B-R.
   24. Bob Evans Posted: March 10, 2012 at 12:55 AM (#4078059)
Ticket.

holy
   25. Der-K convinces people that Hot Pockets are pies. Posted: March 10, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4078244)
I'm not really a fan of trick shot viral videos, but I do root for Padres minor league 1B/3B Connor Powers and this is getting some attention so - here you go.
   26. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 10, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4078252)
I'm not really a fan of trick shot viral videos, but I do root for Padres minor league 1B/3B Connor Powers and this is getting some attention so - here you go.

that's some impressive chit--I wonder how many attempts it took to do some of them shots

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