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Thursday, April 18, 2019

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-18-2019

Pittsburgh Press, April 18, 1919:

Reports from the Redsox are that [Ray] Caldwell, the former Yankee pitcher, is acting up again. Further it is reported that Ed Barrow has asked for waivers on the big pitcher and is prepared to turn him adrift. Caldwell has long been his worst enemy.
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[Several years ago] Caldwell disappeared [after being suspended] and finally was located pitching for a team in Panama under an assumed name. Evidently Ed Barrow refuses to be bothered with Caldwell.

Barrow put up with Caldwell for a few months, having just acquired the flaky pitcher in an offseason trade. The Sox released Caldwell in August, he signed with the Indians later that month, and five days later got struck by lightning while he was on the mound. Ray dusted himself off and finished off a complete game victory.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:40 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5833247)
A couple of huge bats and a decent pitching staff on today's Birthday Team. I must have missed it when it happened, but apparently Henderson Alvarez is now Henderson Alvarez III.

Rise of the Machines?

C: Hughie Hearne (1.2 WAR)
1B: Billy Butler (11.6 WAR)
2B: Bill Rodgers (1.6 WAR)
3B: Miguel Cabrera (69.3 WAR)
SS: Alberto Gonzalez (-0.6 WAR)
LF: Duffy Lewis (21.2 WAR)
CF: Sam Crawford (75.3 WAR)
RF: Jim Eisenreich (13.2 WAR)

SP: Jack Scott (17.0 WAR)
SP: Dennis Rasmussen (11.1 WAR)
SP: Henderson Alvarez III (8.3 WAR)
SP: Steve Blass (7.5 WAR)
SP: Danny Friend (6.4 WAR)
RP: Chuck Taylor (12.0 WAR)

Owners: Frank Navin, George Dovey
-6.9 career WAR: Doug Flynn (-6.9 WAR)
Arbitrator: Shyam Das
Not "Death to Flying Things": Bob Ferguson
Not that one: Deacon Jones
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:49 AM (#5833249)
Henderson Alvarez is now Henderson Alvarez III.


Maybe he adopted a father and grandfather.
   3. Nasty Nate Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:55 AM (#5833251)
Apparently, he played in Mexico last year but is back in the U.S. this year in the Nationals system.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5833252)
CF: Sam Crawford (75.3 WAR)

Fun fact. Wahoo Sam has the all-time record for career triple at 309. Led the league 6 times.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 18, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5833255)
Fun fact. Wahoo Sam has the all-time record for career triple at 309. Led the league 6 times.

he also retired with 2961 hits, which is usually attributed to the fact that no one knew, in 1917, that 3000 hits was a big deal
   6. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: April 18, 2019 at 11:25 AM (#5833260)
he also retired with 2961 hits, which is usually attributed to the fact that no one knew, in 1917, that 3000 hits was a big deal


Even as late as 1934, though shortly after that it seeped into the collective consciousness, as it was well known that Al Simmons bounced around from team to team in a desperate attempt to get to 3000.

   7. caspian88 Posted: April 18, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5833262)
After leaving the Tigers, Crawford played four seasons for the Los Angeles Angels, batting .330 with 781 hits, 56 triples, and 36 home runs.

At 39 years old, Crawford hit .360 in 1919, third in the PCL. His 14 home runs tied Bob Meusel and beat Jack Fournier (11).

Wahoo Sam probably could have had 3000 hits if he wanted to.
   8. TDF, trained monkey Posted: April 18, 2019 at 11:42 AM (#5833264)
he also retired with 2961 hits, which is usually attributed to the fact that no one knew, in 1917, that 3000 hits was a big deal
He hit .173 as a 37 year old in his final year. It's probably more true that he didn't get to 3,000 hits because he just wasn't good enough long enough (he never led the league, for instance).
   9. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: April 18, 2019 at 12:24 PM (#5833275)
It's probably more true that he didn't get to 3,000 hits because he just wasn't good enough long enough (he never led the league, for instance).


Well, that and the short seasons at the start of his career. From 1901-1903, he averaged 180 hits in an average of 138 team games per season.
   10. CheersUnusualPlays Posted: April 18, 2019 at 12:49 PM (#5833278)
He also holds the record for most inside-the-park-HR in a single season with 12
   11. TDF, trained monkey Posted: April 18, 2019 at 02:19 PM (#5833310)
It's probably more true that he didn't get to 3,000 hits because he just wasn't good enough long enough (he never led the league, for instance).

Well, that and the short seasons at the start of his career. From 1901-1903, he averaged 180 hits in an average of 138 team games per season.
Yeah, I should've been clear that it's both the "good enough" and "long enough" parts that keep him short.

Only 5 of the 32 members of the 3,000 hit club have fewer AB than Crawford (9570): Carew, Gwynn, Clemente, Boggs, and Waner. To turn it around, only 5 hitters had 10,000 AB and fewer than 3,000 H: F. Robinson, B. Robinson, Vizquel, Aparicio, and Maranville.
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: April 18, 2019 at 02:31 PM (#5833312)
Given what he did in the seasons surrounding it (the 2015-16 seasons in Detroit and after in the PCL), that miserable 2017 campaign looks more than a little fluky.
   13. Ziggy's screen name Posted: April 18, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5833326)
I dunno, he was dead in 2017. That he didn't pick up any hits doesn't seem like much of a fluke to me.

'course the 2017 Tigers could probably have used a dead Sam Crawford, he wouldn't have been much worse than his fellow birthday teammate Miguel Cabrera.
   14. SandyRiver Posted: April 18, 2019 at 03:06 PM (#5833329)
he also retired with 2961 hits, which is usually attributed to the fact that no one knew, in 1917, that 3000 hits was a big deal

Only 3 members of the club back than, Anson, Wagner, and Lajoie.
   15. The Mighty Quintana Posted: April 18, 2019 at 04:12 PM (#5833359)
What are Cabrera's odds for 3000 hits? He's at 2692, so he needs just over 300. Just turned 36 today.

I'd say it's 80-20 that he gets it. Edgar had over 800 hits after turning 36, and Papi had over 700. Even Pujols has had over 400...
   16. JL72 Posted: April 18, 2019 at 04:18 PM (#5833362)
If Cabrera can get to a decent batting average this year (say 265), he gets almost about 120 hits this year, assuming 450 AB.

With what the Tigers are paying him, it seems like they would trot him out for another 3 years or so to try and get some value. So 3,000 seems within reach.
   17. Hank Gillette Posted: April 18, 2019 at 04:31 PM (#5833368)
-6.9 career WAR: Doug Flynn


Flynn had -4.1 WAR his first three seasons with the Mets, and they played him for two more seasons. He didn’t make his teammatrs better, but he made them look better.
   18. Hank Gillette Posted: April 18, 2019 at 04:33 PM (#5833370)
What was the deal with Caldwell? Booze? Mental illness?

At any rate, he could say he was a lightning rod for his team.
   19. Hank Gillette Posted: April 18, 2019 at 04:46 PM (#5833374)
SABR’s biography of Caldwell says that it was booze. He also seems to have had poor impulse control.

In his one year with Boston, Caldwell roomed with Babe Ruth on away games. That seems like a spectacularly bad idea, but by then, there was probably little that Caldwell could teach Ruth about the night life.
   20. TDF, trained monkey Posted: April 18, 2019 at 07:00 PM (#5833391)
-6.9 career WAR: Doug Flynn

Flynn had -4.1 WAR his first three seasons with the Mets, and they played him for two more seasons. He didn’t make his teammatrs better, but he made them look better.
I was going to say - I always thought Flynn was a decent player. In my defense, (1) I was still in grade/high school at the time and (2) his best years (by far) were the first 2 in Cinci. They traded him just as he was about to become a dumpster fire (-9.3 WAA the first 2 1/2 seasons in NY).

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