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Friday, April 21, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-21-2017

Chicago sportswriter Harry Neily, quoted in the Pittsburgh Press, April 21, 1917:

Last winter [Honus Wagner] got married. Reports are conflicting, persons friendly to the owners saying that Honus went into the club’s offices and announced in loud voice that he couldn’t take so much money from the club because he couldn’t earn it, due to the infirmities of old age. Others declare that Barney Dreyfuss, president of the Pirates grew frugal and cut Wagner’s pay. Whichever is correct, Wagner quit.

Immediately, the bottom fell out of the Pirates. The fans here are about as enthusiastic as was the proprietor of the dollar-fifty pants emporium five minutes after the insurance adjusters got around to discover the oil can in the basement.

I’d like to hear more about this $1.50 pants emporium.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 21, 2017 at 10:03 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 21, 2017 at 10:08 AM (#5439658)
Not a ton of pitching depth on today's Birthday Team, not to mention a three-time Gold Glove third baseman playing out of position. Still, if anyone can win with this roster, it's Joe McCarthy.

C: Ronny Paulino (5.3 WAR)
1B: Ken Caminiti (33.31 WAR)
2B: Dick Green (15.99 WAR)
3B: Fred Hartman (7.34 WAR)
SS: Stan Rojek (5.35 WAR)
LF: Hardy Richardson (40.58 WAR)
CF: Joc Pederson (5.6 WAR)
RF: Al Bumbry (24.44 WAR)

SP: Gary Peters (29.48 WAR)
SP: Kip Wells (8.34 WAR)
SP: Les Lancaster (6.56 WAR)
SP: Lefty Weinert (0.45 WAR)
SP: Jack Brewer (0.29 WAR)
RP: Jesse Orosco (23.93 WAR)

Manager: Joe McCarthy
Fun name: Greg Legg, Bert Hogg, Terry Tiffee
Not that one: Kevin Brown, Ryan Adams
   2. BDC Posted: April 21, 2017 at 10:25 AM (#5439677)
More records for the most times with a specific box-score line (AB, R, H, BI). Today we'll look at zero at-bats, one RBI, and various numbers of runs, plus a few stray related outcomes.

0 1 0 1 : pinch-hitting specialists top this category. The record is three times, held by Greg Gross and Steve Braun
0 2 0 1 : twenty-three random people did this once, including Mickey Mantle, Henry Aaron, Rickey Henderson … and Mark Belanger
0 1 0 2 : eleven guys did this once apiece, most recently Conor Jackson in 2009 (he pinch-hit, stayed in the game, and walked in runs in both his PAs). Chipper Jones did this once – and so did Gary Geiger :)
0 1 0 3 : Clyde Barnhart apparently did this in 1923, though records of older games can be suspect. He's listed with three RBI SHs in the game, but one or more may have been SFs
0 2 0 2: Frank Thomas did this in 1999, and somebody named Frank Welch may have done it in 1925

TRIVIA QUESTIONS FOLLOW

0 3 0 1 : Only four men have done this (once apiece). Hints, in chronological order:

- the second-best-hitting pitcher named George
- a famous walking infielder who wasn't named Eddie
- he caught, played outfield, hit leadoff, and TTO'd his way into our hearts in the '70s, '80s, and early '90s
- subject of a Walt Whitman elegy?

0 4 0 1 : only done once. It happened a couple of years ago, drawing quite a bit of attention. Like the extreme lines 0202, 0400 and 0003, a truly superior player. Do you remember?
   3. Rennie's Tenet Posted: April 21, 2017 at 10:27 AM (#5439681)
Madison Bumgarner has exactly half as many career RBIs as Gary Peters retired with.
   4. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: April 21, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5439704)
Baseball player Bryce Harper is exactly as old as Moncia Lewinsky was the day Bill Clinton denied having sex with her (8,953 days).

Baseball star Derek Jeter is exactly as old as Rosa Parks was the day she was arrested for refusing to give up her seat (15,640 days).

Baseball star Randy Johnson is exactly as old as Walt Disney was the day Disneyland opened (19,582 days).

Anyone who wants to can look up as-old-as items for themselves here.

Haven't done this in a while here, because there's been a weird drought of baseball-related matches noted on the site. And a few days I just plain forgot to look it up.
   5. Batman Posted: April 21, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5439708)
Wagner set the precedent, later followed by George Brett and Derek Jeter, of enjoying all the tail you can during your career and not getting married until you're about done playing.
   6. BDC Posted: April 21, 2017 at 11:03 AM (#5439710)
Dag actually got two of the five trivia answers without trying :)
   7. Batman Posted: April 21, 2017 at 11:26 AM (#5439732)
In a way, Monica Lewinsky TTO'd her way into our hearts.

My first thought for "the second-best-hitting pitcher named George" was George Foreman, but he did both a different kind of hitting and a different kind of pitching.
   8. VCar Posted: April 21, 2017 at 11:29 AM (#5439734)
How about Brian Downing for the c/of tto guy?
   9. eric Posted: April 21, 2017 at 11:44 AM (#5439744)
The first pitcher named George who came to mind (after the top-hitting pitcher named George, of course) was George Uhle. So. George Uhle? And for the walking infielder...Joe Morgan?
   10. BDC Posted: April 21, 2017 at 12:02 PM (#5439753)
Uhle is correct, and Downing too. The walking infielder did it in between Uhle and Downing, but pretty early in that span, so it isn't Morgan.
   11. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: April 21, 2017 at 12:16 PM (#5439760)
Max Bishop?
   12. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: April 21, 2017 at 12:19 PM (#5439762)
And was Downing really a TTO guy? He never struck out much, never hit 30 HR and topped 20 only 4 times, and had decent walk numbers, but in the 70-90 range. When you said TTO C/OF guy, the one I thought of was Mickey Tettleton.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 21, 2017 at 12:36 PM (#5439771)
The fans here are about as enthusiastic as was the proprietor of the dollar-fifty pants emporium five minutes after the insurance adjusters got around to discover the oil can in the basement.

I assume that was a figure of speech back then.
   14. BDC Posted: April 21, 2017 at 12:47 PM (#5439788)
Max Bishop is correct.

Good point about Downing, Misirlou. I think of him as at least a proto-TTO guy because he was valuable when his batting average was fair-to-middling at best. For his era, which was before the mid-'90s explosion in those categories, he had decent HR and walks, but you're right that he was not a huge liability when it came to strikeouts.
   15. BDC Posted: April 21, 2017 at 12:52 PM (#5439794)
Actually that means they've all been named. Derek Jeter had an 0301 game. The 0401 guy was Bryce Harper, a feat that occurred on one of those days in 2015 when nobody would pitch to him. With the start he's off to this year there may be more of those games in store.

I'll be back next week with more box-score-line permutations, hopefully. There really are a ton of them once you think about it, and I do think the record-holders are intriguing. As I said yesterday, there's this interesting pattern where guys who did ordinary things many times are special players, guys who did slightly weird things once tend to be very random, and guys who did very weird things once tend to be great players. This seems to be borne out for the cases I've looked at so far.
   16. eric Posted: April 21, 2017 at 01:52 PM (#5439835)
As I said yesterday, there's this interesting pattern where guys who did ordinary things many times are special players, guys who did slightly weird things once tend to be very random, and guys who did very weird things once tend to be great players. This seems to be borne out for the cases I've looked at so far.


In order for one player to do "ordinary" things many times, he has to be a special player; random players don't last long and don't do enough even ordinary things very often. For something slightly weird, well, there's dozens of ordinary players for every special player and so even if a special player is 10x as likely to perform a feat, the mass of ordinary players taken as a whole are still much more likely to perform that feat. But, once you get to "very weird," the probability for a random player drops so much that a person pretty much has to be a great player to even have a shot.

(Sorry if I am a day late with that analysis.)
   17. BDC Posted: April 21, 2017 at 02:16 PM (#5439844)
A very good way of putting it, eric.
   18. Batman Posted: April 21, 2017 at 02:20 PM (#5439845)
Downing did look like a TTO guy.
   19. Batman Posted: April 21, 2017 at 05:33 PM (#5439975)
Yesterday was the 80th anniversary of Bobby Doerr's MLB debut. The pitcher he faced died 59 years ago.

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