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Friday, April 25, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-25-2014

Pittsburgh Press, April 25, 1914:

One of the umpires in the [minor league] Union association is Sam La Roque, now approaching 53 in the total of his years.
...
Mr. La Roque states, and has the clippings to prove it, that he holds the error record of all time. In one game, at shortstop some 25 years ago, La Roque committed 14 errors out of 15 chances, and that sterling standard has never been approached.

Bob Brenly nods knowingly.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: April 25, 2014 at 08:07 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: April 25, 2014 at 08:11 AM (#4693818)
The Birthday shortstop is pretty good. And RIP to Connie Marrero, who just missed his 103rd birthday.

C: Erik Pappas
1B: Joe Hague
2B: Jimmy Brown
3B: Fred Hartman
SS: Pop Lloyd
LF: Tony Phillips
CF: 1940s Bobby Estalella
RF: Jacque Jones

SP: Russ Ford
SP: Connie Marrero
SP: Lew Krausse Jr.
SP: Roy Parmelee
SP: Bob Johnson
RP: Ken Tatum

Manager: Fred Haney
Fun Names: Snipe Conley, Belve Bean
Aerospace Engineer: Brian Barton
Indians Scrubs of the 20-Aughts: Mike Rouse, Kazuhito Tadano
   2. bobm Posted: April 25, 2014 at 08:20 AM (#4693822)
Lucas Duda refused to bunt against a 4-IF shift in yesterday's game.

Strange to see the St. Louis battery working the outside part of the plate to Lucas Duda with the Boudreau shift on in the 6th inning — seems counter-intuitive. Ironically, Lance Lynn froze Duda with an inside change-up for strike three, which had to be a mistake in location.

The eighth-inning shift on Duda was just silly — though, it worked (that time). St. Louis had four infielders to the right of second base. Crazy.


http://www.metstoday.com/9390/mets-2014-games/mets-game-22-win-over-cardinals/


See also:
Mark Simon @msimonespn
Why Duda gets the insane 4 IF on right side shift pic.twitter.com/zJG3xL9Qs5
4:04pm - 24 Apr 14



Cardinals, who basically bad mouthed the shift last year, just had four guys on the right side of second for Lucas Duda. He grounded out.
https://twitter.com/dschoenfield
   3. Rob_Wood Posted: April 25, 2014 at 09:04 AM (#4693836)

mlb network devoted an entire session bemoaning duda's lack of bunting in those situations (with harold reynolds demonstrating how easy it is to bunt to the left side, and in response to a comment that not everyone can bunt in the major leagues, harold said that such a player should not be in the major leagues)
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 25, 2014 at 09:43 AM (#4693868)
This extreme shifting - 4 guys on the one side of the bag - is this a new thing? I don't remember ever seeing a shift quite that extreme before, and I've seen it on a few players this year.
   5. BDC Posted: April 25, 2014 at 10:06 AM (#4693882)
Last week the Mariners were shifting on Prince Fielder by putting the 2B in short RF, the SS just left of second base, and the 3B at a deep but fairly normal "2B" position. Is that how most teams do these shifts – ie move the 3B past the SS, rather than just sliding everyone over? I can see rationales for either practice, I just don't have much of a mental database of how it's done.
   6. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: April 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM (#4693886)
I saw the Tigers shift their third baseman to short right field, I think on Opening Day.

Unorthodox shifting has been done for decades - it dates back to at least Cy Williams in the 1920s - but nothing quite like what we're seeing now. It provided us this gem from May 3, 1970:
W. McCovey W. Fryman Double to LF/Bunt; Mays Scores
Gotta love Stretch McCovey's bunt double.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 25, 2014 at 10:14 AM (#4693889)
Is that how most teams do these shifts – ie move the 3B past the SS, rather than just sliding everyone over? I can see rationales for either practice, I just don't have much of a mental database of how it's done.


That is what I have seen yes. You want the rangiest guy on the left side, which would be the SS.
   8. BDC Posted: April 25, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4693908)
You want the rangiest guy on the left side, which would be the SS

And it only moves one player completely out of position, rather than two.

Very frequent shifting does put a new cast on the defensive requirements for third basemen, for sure.
   9. Born1951 Posted: April 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4694073)
Brett Gardner went 0-3 yesterday but scored 4 runs. This is only the second time since 1953 a player has had at least 3 AB, no hits and 4 runs scored. Grady Sizemore did it for the Indians in 2005.
   10. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 25, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4694171)
W. McCovey W. Fryman Double to LF/Bunt; Mays Scores


Mays scored from first on the play. On a bunt. Three days short of his 39th birthday...
   11. esseff Posted: April 25, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4694316)
CF: 1940s Bobby Estalella


Are there other examples of grandfathers and grandsons who played in the major leagues without the intervening generation having done so?
   12. JJ1986 Posted: April 25, 2014 at 03:37 PM (#4694323)
Are there other examples of grandfathers and grandsons who played in the major leagues without the intervening generation having done so?


Jayson Werth's maternal grandfather played MLB. His uncle did too which makes three generations, but his father did not.
   13. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 25, 2014 at 03:38 PM (#4694324)
Are there other examples of grandfathers and grandsons who played in the major leagues without the intervening generation having done so?


Here's one of a great-grandfather and great-grandson.
   14. esseff Posted: April 25, 2014 at 03:56 PM (#4694345)
I knew Werth's pedigree. Didn't know about Wilkinson. So thanks.
   15. Danny Posted: April 25, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4694405)
Max Stassi has some interesting bloodlines:
Stassi's father, great uncle Sam Stassi, and brother Brock Stassi also played minor league ball. His great-great uncle, Myril Hoag, played in the majors. Some sources list his great-grandfather Sam Stassi Sr. and grandfather Bob Stassi as playing in the Pacific Coast League, but BR Minors does not list either as of March 2012.
   16. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 25, 2014 at 04:56 PM (#4694422)
For the second straight day, the Game of the Day from 30 years ago was the last MLB start for one of the two starters. This time, the pitcher in question finished his career with about 1/74 of the total starts of the April 23 guy. He got hit around something fierce (hence, last career start), and his team won anyway in dramatic fashion, which is always fun.
   17. bobm Posted: April 25, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4694523)
[3] mlb network devoted an entire session bemoaning duda's lack of bunting in those situations

diamond-demo-hitting-during-a-shift
   18. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 25, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4694529)
Yesterday's best game featured a pitcher playing the outfield (albeit very briefly) and a fairly crazy intentional walk. It was also largely decided by one of the teams' backup catcher. Shockingly, things did not go great for that particular team.
   19. Repoz Posted: April 25, 2014 at 08:11 PM (#4694546)
April 25, 2014: Paul O'Neill to Michael Kay: "This might seem like a stupid question...but who is Bill James?"
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 25, 2014 at 11:04 PM (#4694607)
Are there other examples of grandfathers and grandsons who played in the major leagues without the intervening generation having done so?


Rick Porcello's granfather is Sam Dente, a Senators shortstop from the 1950s.

Matt Williams' grandfather is Bert Griffith, a 1920s Brooklyn outfielder.
   21. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: April 26, 2014 at 10:43 PM (#4695075)
And Bill Wilkinson's great-grandfather was Jim Bluejacket, who played in the Federal League.

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