Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Tuesday, April 02, 2013

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-2-2013

Toledo News Bee, April 2, 1913:

Manager Chance has hit on the idea of using a headgear when he goes to the bat this year. The Yankee manager is confident that with the use of the dress he will regain his old confidence and be as good as he ever was with the stick.

A helmet? For batting? That’s just crazy talk.

Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: April 02, 2013 at 06:17 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, frank chance, history

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: April 02, 2013 at 06:31 AM (#4401801)
Nice Birthday Team today. Excellent pitching staff and a pretty good infield.

C: Howard Wakefield
1B/Manager: Hughie Jennings
2B: Bobby Avila
3B: Luke Appling
SS: Denny Hocking
LF: Pete Incaviglia
CF: Reggie Smith
RF: Billy Sample

SP: Don Sutton
SP: Tommy Bond
SP: Billy Pierce
SP: Ed Siever
SP: Jon Lieber
RP: Dick Radatz

Owner: Hank Steinbrenner
Director of Fantasy Sports: Daniel Okrent
Fun Name: Cotton Pippen
   2. Honkie Kong Posted: April 02, 2013 at 08:39 AM (#4401815)
Cross-posted from the GameChatter


With all the teams doing these defensive shifts, why do the teams not swap their SS/2B when there is a LH bat at the plate?
For most teams, the SS is their best defender, and the 2B not so great?
I can see an exception for rangy 2Bs who don't have arm strength. But say for the Braves, you have a semi mobile statue of Uggla at 2B and All World defender like Simmons at SS. Wouldn't it make sense for them to swap when there is a LH batter?
   3. Honkie Kong Posted: April 02, 2013 at 08:41 AM (#4401816)
A helmet? For batting? That’s just crazy talk.

Who was the first player to use a helmet in baseball? I am sure he must have take a lot of flak from those tobacoo chewing manly men.
Need a lot of guts to do it.

In cricket, it was experimented with in the late 70s but only caught on in the mid 1980s.
   4. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: April 02, 2013 at 08:56 AM (#4401825)
Rumor is that the New Orleans Zephyrs may move to suburban Houston in the next few years.
   5. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: April 02, 2013 at 09:05 AM (#4401830)
Baseball history item at THT notes that 20,000 days ago, a team lost when three runs scored on a walk-off error. Actually, there were two errors on the play. I'm sure that somewhere a teenaged Ron Santo felt the need to blurt out OH NO! when it happened.
   6. bobm Posted: April 02, 2013 at 09:37 AM (#4401849)
[3] Who was the first player to use a helmet in baseball?

http://www.wezen-ball.com/2010-articles/march/searching-for-the-history-of-the-batting-helmet.html
   7. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: April 02, 2013 at 09:43 AM (#4401852)
thanks, bobm. all i knew about the early history of the helmet involved rickey and the pirates.
   8. Honkie Kong Posted: April 02, 2013 at 09:43 AM (#4401853)
http://www.wezen-ball.com/2010-articles/march/searching-for-the-history-of-the-batting-helmet.html

Thats a great read. Thanks bobm.
As ever, your posts are informative. Much appreciated.
   9. Steve N Posted: April 02, 2013 at 11:07 AM (#4401929)
How can you have Reggie Smith in the of and talk about how good the infield is? Also, having Billy Pierce as your 3rd starter is amazingly good. Pierce would fit comfortably in the HOF.
   10. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: April 02, 2013 at 11:11 AM (#4401932)
I get why you're doing it but if manager Jennings starts Hocking at short over himself and Appling, then I'm figuring that he was hit by one too many pitches.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: April 02, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4401934)
I never knew who was the first to wear a helmet, but I'll never forget the last to bat without one.

   12. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 02, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4401935)
EEEEE-YAAAAHHHH!
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: April 02, 2013 at 11:20 AM (#4401940)
With all the teams doing these defensive shifts, why do the teams not swap their SS/2B when there is a LH bat at the plate?
For most teams, the SS is their best defender, and the 2B not so great?
I can see an exception for rangy 2Bs who don't have arm strength. But say for the Braves, you have a semi mobile statue of Uggla at 2B and All World defender like Simmons at SS. Wouldn't it make sense for them to swap when there is a LH batter?


It might make sense if players weren't human, but I think if you started routinely swapping your less competent second baseman to the other side of the diamond as if he were a creaky Rusty Staub, whatever small gains you made in terms of defensive efficiency (and they would be minimal, as most players aren't that pull heavy) would be given back by having a second baseman who may very well be impossible to manage.

   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 02, 2013 at 11:49 AM (#4401966)
Lars Anderson continues his trek around the league, having now been acquired by the White Sox for cash.

Anderson was with Boston last summer, was dealt to Cleveland for Steven Wright in July. In December, he was dealt to Arizona in the Trevor Bauer deal. Arizona DFAed him, and the White Sox claimed him. The White Sox DFAed him and the Jays claimed him. The Jays DFAed him (for Clint Robinson!) and after passing waivers, he was dealt to the White Sox.

In other news about AAA first basemen, the Rangers released Brandon Allen.
   15. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: April 02, 2013 at 02:48 PM (#4402151)
How can you have Reggie Smith in the of and talk about how good the infield is?
Reggie was a fabulous player, but Appling-Jennings is a great combination on the corners and Avila was one of the best players in the AL for about four years.

Pete Incaviglia and Billy Sample are...Pete Incaviglia and Billy Sample.
   16. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: April 02, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4402171)
Help me, gang. Why did I think Denny Hocking played for HOU for several years? I'm thinking of a utility type guy just like Hocking. Maybe just a LH hitter, played in the late 70s, early 80s.

EDIT: Ah, Denny Walling, a four corner type, who had a solid 18 year career. Who knew it was that long?
   17. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: April 02, 2013 at 03:24 PM (#4402199)
Hocking was more of a good glove, no bat type.

The Ender Inciarte era is no more, dfa'd to make room for Zeke Carrera. Also, SF picks up Hunter Strickland on waivers.
   18. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 02, 2013 at 06:06 PM (#4402430)
Game of the day (yesterday): Angels 3, Reds 1 (13). Opening day in Cincinnati, the first-ever interleague opener, and Jered Weaver vs. Johnny Cueto?

Works for me.

Cueto cruised through the first two innings flawlessly. Weaver hit Shin-Soo Choo to lead off the game and walked Ryan Ludwick later in the first, then allowed a leadoff single to Todd Frazier in the second, but none of the runners made it as far as third base.

Cueto's bid for perfection was cut short in the third when Chris Iannetta tagged him for a solo homer. In the bottom of the inning, Choo reached base once more, this time on a double, and moved to third on a groundout. Ludwick drew his second walk of the game with two outs, putting runners at the corners.

Then came the madness. On a 1-2 pitch to Jay Bruce, Weaver bounced one. Iannetta partially blocked the ball, keeping it from escaping too far, but Choo came home anyway. Iannetta's throw to Weaver covering home beat Choo to the plate, but Weaver's tag was tardy, allowing Choo to score. Naturally, while Weaver was occupied by objecting to the call, Ludwick broke for third; he slid in safely, but dislocated his shoulder on the play, and was replaced by Chris Heisey.

Bruce ended the inning by popping out, and things settled down from there; the only runner to reach in either the fourth or fifth was Albert Pujols, who was safe on a Brandon Phillips error. Mike Trout singled in the sixth, but didn't advance from there. Heisey was granted a second chance by a Pujols error on a foul popup in the bottom of the inning, but failed to take advantage.

In the seventh, things heated up a bit. Cueto walked Josh Hamilton to start the inning, and Mark Trumbo followed with a single. Howie Kendrick's bunt advanced the runners to second and third, and an intentional pass to Alberto Callaspo loaded the bases. Iannetta struck out, bringing the pitcher's spot up; Weaver was lifted for JB Shuck, who also whiffed to end the inning.

After Garrett Richards and Jonathan Broxton traded perfect frames, the Reds got their chance in the eighth. Pinch hitter Xavier Paul reached on a Kendrick error, and from there, the game went the way of deja vu. Choo singled, Phillips bunted the runners over, Joey Votto was intentionally walked, Heisey struck out, and after Sean Burnett replaced Richards, Bruce fanned as well, leaving all three runners in place. Aroldis Chapman allowed a walk to Trumbo but nothing else, and Kevin Jepsen threw a spotless ninth to send the game to extras.

Sam LeCure worked around a Brendan Harris single in the tenth, while Scott Downs set the Reds down in order. LeCure walked Pujols to open the eleventh; Albert was pulled for pinch runner Andrew Romine, who moved up on a groundout and saw Kendrick walked behind him with two away, but didn't move past second.

The bottom of the eleventh brought Mark Lowe to the mound. The last time that happened, he gave up a walkoff homer. The time before that, he gave up a rather famous walkoff homer. This time, however, the only trouble he had was with his defense, as Votto reached on an Aybar error to start the inning. Heisey bunted Votto over, Bruce was intentionally passed, and Frazier and Jack Hannahan struck out to leave the winning run at second.

JJ Hoover came on for the twelfth, and Peter Bourjos got him for a one-out triple. Hoover fanned Trout, however, and Aybar grounded out to strand the go-ahead run. Lowe worked a 1-2-3 bottom half, and Hoover continued to scuffle in the thirteenth. Hamilton walked with one out, and moved to second on a grounder. Kendrick was intentionally walked, and Hoover then hit pinch-hitter Hank Conger with a pitch to load the bases. Iannetta singled in two runs to put the Angels ahead for the first time in ten innings, and Ernesto Frieri worked around a one-out walk to Votto to secure the save.

So... between this game, the Brewers and Rockies trading rallies in the eighth, ninth, and tenth, and the performances by Felix, Samardzija, Strasburg, Harper, and (especially) Kershaw, is anyone else inordinately happy to have baseball back?
   19. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 02, 2013 at 06:21 PM (#4402443)
Reading through that summary, it struck me that it would have seemed very strange two years ago that a team would have both Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton - and neither one of them would be close to being the most exciting player on the team.
   20. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 02, 2013 at 09:56 PM (#4402661)
Reading through that summary, it struck me that it would have seemed very strange two years ago that a team would have both Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton - and neither one of them would be close to being the most exciting player on the team.

Quite. It also would have seemed pretty strange for that team to be the Angels.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOT: Politics, August 2014: DNC criticizes Christie’s economic record with baseball video
(4205 - 4:47am, Aug 20)
Last: BrianBrianson

NewsblogRingolsby: Helton's numbers stack up against the best
(62 - 4:44am, Aug 20)
Last: Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim

NewsblogOMNICHATTER 8-19-2014
(72 - 4:09am, Aug 20)
Last: Dan

NewsblogDerek Jeter's historic hit that tied Honus Wagner ruled an error by MLB
(3 - 4:01am, Aug 20)
Last: PreservedFish

NewsblogGammons Notes - 8/17/14
(54 - 3:06am, Aug 20)
Last: JAHV (DanF)

NewsblogPosnanski: The need – the need for speed
(9 - 2:57am, Aug 20)
Last: Cooper Nielson

NewsblogKeidel: Don’t Be Fooled — The Yankees’ Season Is Over
(58 - 2:52am, Aug 20)
Last: TerpNats

NewsblogKepner (NYT): Astros’ Jose Altuve Doesn’t Let Height Be a Disadvantage
(3 - 2:43am, Aug 20)
Last: TerpNats

NewsblogIwakuma gives Mariners a second true ace
(5 - 2:24am, Aug 20)
Last: 6 - 4 - 3

NewsblogMinor League manager undresses during epic home plate tirade
(8 - 2:09am, Aug 20)
Last: The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season

Newsblog[Ubaldo] Jimenez to the bullpen
(9 - 2:03am, Aug 20)
Last: 6 - 4 - 3

NewsblogOT August 2014:  Wrassle Mania I
(40 - 1:14am, Aug 20)
Last: steagles

NewsblogPirates activate Andrew McCutchen from the disabled list
(8 - 12:57am, Aug 20)
Last: PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth)

NewsblogOT: Monthly NBA Thread - August 2014
(271 - 12:40am, Aug 20)
Last: robinred

NewsblogMooney: Javier Baez, Kyle Hendricks aren’t showing any nerves with Cubs
(33 - 11:48pm, Aug 19)
Last: Spahn Insane

Page rendered in 0.3817 seconds
52 querie(s) executed