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Monday, April 30, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-30-2018

New York Tribune, April 30, 1918:

Chicago opened its series in Cleveland [yesterday] by hitting three Cleveland pitchers hard and winning, 8 to 4.
...
A double play by Speaker was the feature of the contest. With Collins on second and Jackson on first Speaker trapped Felsch’s fly and tagged Collins, then touched second, forcing Jackson, thus repeating a play he worked on Detroit ten days ago.

Not only did an outfielder pull off an unassisted double play on a ball that hit the ground, he did it twice in two weeks. I know Speaker played an extremely shallow center field, but that’s crazy.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 30, 2018 at 09:51 AM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 30, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5662784)
Today's Birthday Team will be a familiar situation for Phil Garner as a manager: A futile attempt to win with an undermanned and overmatched roster.

C: Ken Retzer (1.37 WAR)
1B: Jeff Reboulet (10.02 WAR)
2B: Joe Strain (0.44 WAR)
3B/Manager: Phil Garner (29.68 WAR)
SS: Randy Kutcher (1.84 WAR)
LF: Charley Jones (26.54 WAR)
CF: Dave Eggler (5.06 WAR)
RF: Chet Laabs (10.76 WAR)

SP: Jumbo Brown (5.07 WAR)
SP: Bob Hendley (1.6 WAR)
SP: Phil Klein (-0.39 WAR)
SP: Neal Baker (-0.42 WAR)
SP: Mike Barlow (-0.73 WAR)
RP: Ryan O'Rourke (-0.05 WAR)

Ball Boy: Ernie Tyler
Umpire: Jack Sheridan
Writer/Primate: Tracy Ringolsby
   2. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: April 30, 2018 at 10:12 AM (#5662799)
Ugh, if Phil Garner is your best player. That reminds me of my 2 years coaching a bad, bad, softball team. I was probably the best player, so there was no way my superior coaching could lift us to contend for a playoff berth. ;(
   3. RickA. Posted: April 30, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5662827)
Since there is no death information on him, Charley Jones is 166 years old today. Someone should interview him about baseball in the 1880s. :)
   4. BDC Posted: April 30, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5662833)
Time to get back to the box-score lines. Most times achieving the exact line (ab/r/h/bi) in regular-season games since 1908, the bolded ones including trivia:

3 1 3 2 : one player did this five times. Some recent stars did it four times, including Vlad Guerrero and Brian Giles, but the record-holder, who did it (at least!) five times, last played in the majors during WWI and retired from the PCL in 1921. (He is a Hall of Famer.)

3 1 3 3 : five guys did this three times each, most recently Gary Sheffield

3 1 3 4 : five guys did this twice each, most recently Lamar Johnson

3 1 3 5 : forty guys did this once, most recently JP Arencibia in 2012

3 1 3 6 : four guys did this once. The most recent to do so completes this amazing but true sentence: "I'm so sick of all these ballplayers who go 3135 like _________ and 3136 like __________."

3 1 3 7 : only one player has done this, a Hall of Famer who pulled it off in 1994 with a sacrifice fly, an RBI single, a two-run single, a three-run homer – and then was pinch-hit for, the second time he was due to bat in the fifth inning of a 21-2 victory
   5. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 30, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5662838)
Since there is no death information on him, Charley Jones is 166 years old today. Someone should interview him about baseball in the 1880s. :)


I like the photo of him. I think he's hiding in plain sight under the name Paul F. Tompkins.
   6. Batman Posted: April 30, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5662847)
It looks like Blondie Purcell and Hugh Daily are the two most significant players who are still alive and over 160 years old according to bb-ref. Purcell had two 100-run seasons, including 110 in his last one. Daily's nickname was "One Arm," but apparently he did have most of a second arm. He lost his left hand when he was 13 and ####### around at a Union armory in 1861.

Among players who really are (or could be) alive, there are 14 who played in the major leagues by 1945, including Red Schoendienst. The earliest debut was by Fred Caligiuri on September 3, 1941. Caligiuri only pitched 79.2 career innings, but he does have a claim to fame besides just being alive. He was the last pitcher to face Ted Williams in 1941. Williams went 2 for 3 against Caligiuri, raising his average from .404 to .406. That game was the last of Lefty Grove's career, so Caligiuri was also the last pitcher to go against him. The rest of the Red Sox only had four hits that day, and Caligiuri pitched a complete game, winning 7-1.
   7. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: April 30, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5662868)
3 1 3 7


I'll go with Jeff Bagwell
   8. Batman Posted: April 30, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5662893)
I guessed wrong that 3137 was Barry Larkin.
   9. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: April 30, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5662897)
Bagwell is incorrect too. I just found the guy, and he was actually my first choice and I talked myself out of it and guessed Bagwell.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: April 30, 2018 at 12:41 PM (#5662900)
Piazza?

   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 30, 2018 at 12:45 PM (#5662903)
3 1 3 6 - Albert Belle and Chris Truby? That would be all kinds of awesome.

3 1 3 7 - Frank Thomas?
   12. BDC Posted: April 30, 2018 at 12:54 PM (#5662919)
Belle and Truby, indeed.

The guesses for the guy with 3137 in 1994 are not correct so far.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 30, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5662921)
Griffey the Younger?
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5662943)
Pudge the second?

   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5662948)
Alomar the Better?
   16. BDC Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5662949)
Not Junior either, or Pudge, or Alomar. A guy nearing the end of his career in '94, though he may not have expected it.

In addition to Chris Truby, the other guys to go 3136 in a game were Heinie Zimmerman, Tim Laudner, and Blue Moon Odom. Now that's a random group – usually these "ties" are mixes of great, good, and random players. Sometimes they are all pretty good (the 3134 group is Bob Nieman, Ken Boyer, Willie McCovey, Ron Cey, and Lamar Johnson).
   17. PreservedFish Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5662951)
Alomar the younger brother of Alomar the younger?

edit > dammit Mr Pith got me by 1 minute
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5662952)
Trammell the Overlooked?
   19. BDC Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5662959)
Not Trammell either …
   20. JJ1986 Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5662960)
Puckett?

edit: sorry, Puckett the Unseeing.
   21. PreservedFish Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5662961)
Sorry, answers are only acceptable in Dungeons and Dragons form
   22. BDC Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:16 PM (#5662962)
Kirby Puckett is our 3137 man, in a game against the Red Sox (at Minneapolis) in May 1994.
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5662964)
Tim Laudner


Rhymes with Podner.
   24. BDC Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5662965)
Rhymes with Podner.

Ha, that's about the only thing I remember about him, too.
   25. PreservedFish Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5662967)
Ah yes, Puckett the ... uh ... Indiscreet.
   26. tolbuck Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5662970)
3 1 3 2 - Sam Crawford?
   27. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5663004)
   28. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5663008)
Puckett the Not Yet Morbidly Obese.
   29. Batman Posted: April 30, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5663010)
Tim Laudner Surprises Minnesota Seed Farmers
They say it's going to be a harsh winter if Laudner sees his shadow.
   30. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 30, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5663012)
In addition to Chris Truby, the other guys to go 3136 in a game were Heinie Zimmerman, Tim Laudner, and Blue Moon Odom.


Blue Moon Odom could hit well for a pitcher, and was used a lot as a pinch runner. In his 402 career appearances, only 295 were as a pitcher, the other 107 being 105 as a pinch runner and two as a pinch hitter. That percentage of 27% of career appearances being in a non-pitcher role seems a lot for an expansion-era pitcher (one who didn't have a split career such as Rick Ankiel). Probably his most famous pinch running appearance came in game five of the 1972 World Series, when with the Athletics trailing 5-4 with one out in the ninth inning, he was thrown out at home to end the game by Joe Morgan after Morgan caught a foul pop fly.
   31. BDC Posted: April 30, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5663043)
tolbuck is correct, Sam Crawford is the player who had five 3132 games. And might have had more, because the searchable records at B-Ref go back only to 1908.
   32. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 30, 2018 at 06:42 PM (#5663181)
No threads to put this in now, but Corey seager is having Tommy John and is done for the year.
   33. Walt Davis Posted: April 30, 2018 at 08:26 PM (#5663218)
Bummer on Seager.

On Speaker ... the IF fly rule was in effect but I wonder if it wasn't called if the OF was making the play? I am interpreting "trapped the fly" as intentionally let it drop. Possibly it was a bloop that he couldn't quite get to but a bloop the IFs couldn't get to would still seem too far away for him to come in and get the runner leaving second. So I suspect it was "catchable by an IF" but wasn't called that way.

By the way I checked and the Apr 29, 1918 box score does credit Speaker with an unassisted DP. No PbP data back that far. Felsch had a crappy day -- that DP and 0-5.

At the end of the day, Speaker was hitting 469/622/656.

For those annoyed by the current lack of BIP, this game featured 12 walks, a couple of HBP and just 66 BIP out of 80 PA, 3 of which were "SH" (given who hit them, they were probably SFs). And it still took only 0 hours to play!
   34. SoSH U at work Posted: April 30, 2018 at 08:41 PM (#5663230)
On Speaker ... the IF fly rule was in effect but I wonder if it wasn't called if the OF was making the play? I am interpreting "trapped the fly" as intentionally let it drop. Possibly it was a bloop that he couldn't quite get to but a bloop the IFs couldn't get to would still seem too far away for him to come in and get the runner leaving second. So I suspect it was "catchable by an IF" but wasn't called that way.


Speaker played a historically shallow center.

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