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Thursday, April 05, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-5-2018

Philadelphia Evening Public Ledger, April 5, 1918:

Fielder Jones, among others, holds that Babe Ruth, the Red Sox pitcher, is the most formidable batsman in baseball. The leader of the Browns takes full cognizance of the well-known prowess of Tyrus Cobb, but he insists that Ruth is a more dangerous and harder hitter and that if his efforts were confined to outfielding and hitting he would prove one of the greatest batsmen in the history of the game.

People at the time probably thought Jones had lost his mind, but I’ll be darned if he wasn’t exactly right. Nice work, Fielder.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 05, 2018 at 09:39 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 05, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5648505)
Not a great Birthday Team today. The best player, by far, is Bill Dinneen, a pitcher with a career 107 ERA+ who at various times led the league in losses, home runs allowed, and wild pitches. He's not bad, but he's also not a guy you want to build around.

C: Jimmie Schaffer (0.92 WAR)
1B: Ron Hansen (24.12 WAR)
2B: Rennie Stennett (13.89 WAR)
3B: Ian Stewart (2.95 WAR)
SS: Jung Ho Kang (6.48 WAR)
LF: Ed Andrews (2.13 WAR)
CF: Wid Conroy (21.88 WAR)
RF: Ted Scheffler (2.49 WAR)

SP: Bill Dinneen (40.22 WAR)
SP: Jorge De La Rosa (12.99 WAR)
SP: Sugar Cain (5.4 WAR)
SP: Ryan Drese (3.41 WAR)
SP: Brandon Backe (2.51 WAR)
RP: Bobby Hogue (3.32 WAR)

Father of a USFL quarterback: Fred Besana Sr. (-0.19 WAR)
General Manager: Andy MacPhail
None of those ones: David Jones (-0.15 WAR)
Not that one: Cris Carpenter (2.35 WAR)
   2. Batman Posted: April 05, 2018 at 10:14 AM (#5648519)
The 1903 Boston Americans were built around Bill Dinneen and Cy Young. The two of them pitched 69 of the 71 innings in the first World Series and completed all seven games they started.
   3. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 05, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5648531)
Baseball scoreboard web app update: I had a problem with my previous domain provider and as a result I have permanently moved the site to

The previous domain was free and I certainly got what I paid for. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

For those of you who are unfamiliar, the web app shows every score from every game in North American Organized Baseball, updates itself live without needing to be refreshed, and shows the current batter, pitcher, inning, outs, and runners on base. There are no ads and I have zero intention to ever have ads.

edit to add: I've registered the domain and set everything up in the past hour. Depending on how quickly DNS servers around the internet update themselves, it may take some time to work for you. In the meantime, the existing link is still working.
   4. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 05, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5648554)
Thank you Dan! That's great! It's like something from the early, simple internet.
   5. oscar madisox Posted: April 05, 2018 at 11:18 AM (#5648556)
Very cool, Dan! Thanks so much for sharing this.

   6. Born1951 Posted: April 05, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5648558)
Very tiny sample size, but here are some 2018 stats after first week, and last season's.

2018 .237/.315/.394
2017 .255/.324/.426

2018 3.55
2017 3.29

2018 8.49
2017 8.34

2018 1.09
2017 1.27

2018 11.7%
2017 13.7%
   7. , Posted: April 05, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5648559)
Is that last year's first week or entire season?
   8. Batman Posted: April 05, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5648626)
It looks like those are for last year's entire season.

There were six 1-0 games in the first week. There were 29 all of last year. The least since the D-Backs and Rays joined MLB was 27 in 1999. The most was 69 just four years ago.
   9. Rennie's Tenet Posted: April 05, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5648640)
Rennie Stennett

Name rings a bell. Rennie was promoted to the Pirates in July, 1971, hit .353 in 153 at-bats, and was left off the playoff roster. That maybe should have been a hint to the Orioles that they were in over their heads.

   10. sotapop Posted: April 05, 2018 at 03:31 PM (#5648838)
Rennie Stennett was one of the first baseball cards I ever had, and the trivia on the back was that he went seven-for-seven in a game.

That HOF article (from 2015) says it's the only time that has happened (in modern baseball) but I would have sworn it's been done again. Off to Google...

Edit: Apparently he's still the only one.
   11. Batman Posted: April 05, 2018 at 04:57 PM (#5648900)
Stennett is the only player to go 7 for 7 in a nine-inning game, but Cesar Gutierrez did it in a 12-inning game.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 05, 2018 at 05:11 PM (#5648912)
That game took place on a September Tuesday afternoon at Wrigley Field, with the Pirates winning 22-0. The recorded attendance was 4,932; I wonder how many of them were left by the end of the game.
   13. EddieA Posted: April 05, 2018 at 05:13 PM (#5648915)
Stennett slashed .281/.304/.380 in 444 PA against RHP in 1976, and .213/.228/.270 in 238 PA against LHP.
He slashed .288/.333/.373 in 333 PA against RHP in 1977, and .435/.465/.551 in 157 PA against LHP.

Those RHP splits look consistent. Did the NL East get a new set of lefties in 1977? Carlton was doing fine and he 0'fered against Koosman.
   14. Batman Posted: April 05, 2018 at 05:34 PM (#5648925)
In the Stennett game, the Pirates took a nine-run lead before the Cubs batted and then slowly pulled away.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: April 05, 2018 at 08:10 PM (#5649004)
#12: I was still watching on TV at the end to see if Stennett would go 7-7. I doubt I was paying much attention but we certainly didn't have remote control in the parental homestead so channel surfing would have required getting off the couch ... and there were no channels to surf anyway.

Of course this memory requires me being home on a Tues during the school year which, alas, is unlikely. Game almost certainly would have finished by the time I got home but I suppose it's possible I made it in time for his last PA. It's possible I was sick as I do vaguely recall watching the entire, miserable game. But chances are my brain has made this one up.
   16. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: April 05, 2018 at 08:18 PM (#5649008)
Of course this memory requires me being home on a Tues during the school year which, alas, is unlikely. Game almost certainly would have finished by the time I got home but I suppose it's possible I made it in time for his last PA.


Game started at 1:30, duration of 2:35, which means it ended at 4:05. Surely you would have been home from school by then. His 7th hit came in the top of the 8th, so maybe at about 3:30 or so. Entirely possible.
   17. Rennie's Tenet Posted: April 05, 2018 at 09:08 PM (#5649046)
I remember getting home from school in Pittsburgh and listening on the radio. It was probably about 18-0 at that point, and the story was more the button kicking than Stennett's feat, because 7 for 7 was still a couple at-bats away.

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