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Tuesday, April 08, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-8-2014

Milwaukee Sentinel, April 8, 1914:

A bizarre collection of occupations is found to take up the offseason time of the Pirates, according to a list just made up. Gibson, Cooper, Harmon and Duffy are the farmers on the team. Manager Clarke also can be ranked as a farmer. Joe Conzelman, Ollie McArthur and Joe Leonard are students. There are three salesmen, two plumbers and five clerks. Hyatt is so used to butchering stock that he butchers the ball horsehide on the diamond. Bob Coleman is a stage mechanic and George McQuillan an electrician. Kantlehner is a stenographer.

...and that’s why Hyatt was known as “Ham”*.

* - this is not true.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:25 AM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4681698)
   2. BDC Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:39 AM (#4681711)
Adrian Beltre Milestone Watch: with the Rangers' lone run scored at Fenway last night, Beltre ties Pie Traynor for 191st in career Runs with 1,183.

OK, as a milestone that's weak. But tying Pie Traynor is a nice conjunction for a slick veteran 3B.
   3. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:48 AM (#4681718)
When did catchers start wearing batting helmets under their masks rather than cloth caps?

This isn't a trivia question. I'm trying to solve a trivia question.
   4. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4681724)
That seems like as non-bizarre a collection of occupations you could put together among 20's-ish males in 1914.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:59 AM (#4681728)
When did catchers start wearing batting helmets under their masks rather than cloth caps?

the first one I remember was Joe Ferguson. I'm not saying he WAS the first, just the first one I remember doing it
   6. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4681776)
the first one I remember was Joe Ferguson. I'm not saying he WAS the first, just the first one I remember doing it


I was thinking late '70's, so mid '70's is probably more accurate. Thanks.

This isn't a trivia question. I'm trying to solve a trivia question.


The question is actually a facial picture (very close-up) of a catcher who is wearing a cloth cap (backwards) rather than a helmet. We're supposed to identify the catcher.
   7. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4681803)
The question is actually a facial picture (very close-up) of a catcher who is wearing a cloth cap (backwards) rather than a helmet. We're supposed to identify the catcher.
It's Ron Karkovice.
   8. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:58 AM (#4681809)
After noticing Jim Shellenback's strange facial expressions yesterday, I put together a collage. Why is he always looking up?
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4681820)
The longest hitless streak to begin a season by a non-pitcher in the divisional era that I can find is Richie Scheinblum with 0-38 PAs in 1969. Mike Moustakas is at 21, leading the league. Travis D'Arnaud is at 17 PAs, Marc Krauss is at 15. They are both rookies, Moustakas is in his fourth season.
   10. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4681840)
Eugenio Velez started (and finished) 2011 0 for 37 in 40 PA.
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4681850)
Yea, but he didn't come up til July. I was looking for guys that began the year with the club.

Still, that is impressive. I think I have him as the non-pitcher with the most PAs for a hitless season.
   12. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4681865)
Velez beat Hal Finney's record from 1936. Finney did it without walking or having any non-AB plate appearances, so he has his own record for a .000 OBP.
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:45 AM (#4681890)
I'd like to see Moose gun for that. He's got the swing for it.
   14. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4681915)
I'd like to see Moose gun for that. He's got the swing for it.

I blame the weather and the ballpark. His last at bat last night, he hit one that looked like a 480 foot homer off the bat, but wound up being caught at the warning track in left center.

I'm also a shameless Moose-Tacos apologist.
   15. just plain joe Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4681931)
Velez beat Hal Finney's record from 1936. Finney did it without walking or having any non-AB plate appearances, so he has his own record for a .000 OBP.


Unsurprisingly that ended Finney's MLB career. Of course he was already 30 and wasn't all that good to begin with.
   16. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4681933)
So if not for the weather, Moustakas would be 1 for 21 with a homer. What's the longest"no hits except homers" streak?
   17. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4681978)
From July 18 to August 15 2001, Mark McGwire went 70 at bats with "NO HITS EXCEPT HOMERS."

Of course, he hit 11 homers over that stretch. 11 for 70 with 11 homers. Not bad.
   18. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4681989)
McGwire started the 2001 season with a Moustakasesque 1 for 20 with one homer.
   19. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4682021)
with the Rangers' lone run scored at Fenway last night, Beltre ties Pie Traynor for 191st in career Runs with 1,183.


Speaking of Beltre, did you see him running out of the scrum after his walk-off hit the other night, holding his helmet onto his head for dear life? Hilarious.
   20. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4682039)
McGwire started the 2001 season with a Moustakasesque 1 for 20 with one homer.


Ryne Sandberg started out 1982 (and his Cub career) 1 for 32. Add in his 1 for 6 cup of coffee the year before, and he started his career 2 (both singles) for 38 with 1 walk. Not sure if any HOFer started out worse.
   21. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4682041)
Adrian Beltre Milestone Watch: with the Rangers' lone run scored at Fenway last night, Beltre ties Pie Traynor for 191st in career Runs with 1,183.

OK, as a milestone that's weak. But tying Pie Traynor is a nice conjunction for a slick veteran 3B.
He also tied Mike Schmidt for fifth in games at third. He'll catch Boggs with three more.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:34 PM (#4682048)
Rob Deer's first 44 ABs in 1996 included 4 HR, 3 doubles, 14 walks, 27 strikeouts, and no singles.
   23. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4682055)
Willie Mays started out 1 for 26, but he'd raised his career average from that .038 to almost .300 16 days later. Then he just kind of stagnated around .300 for the next 22 years.
   24. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:51 PM (#4682072)
Willie Mays started out 1 for 26, but he'd raised his career average from that .038 to almost .300 16 days later. Then he just kind of stagnated around .300 for the next 22 years.


If he's spent more time working on his game and less time showboating with his cap flying off and his basket catches he could've made something of himself.
   25. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:04 PM (#4682092)
How do minor league offensive levels track the level of offense in MLB? I am asking for the sake of comparing two players' performances in the same league but in 2006 and 2013. Are league averages in minor leagues a poor measure because of fluctuating talent levels?
   26. BDC Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4682123)
He also tied Mike Schmidt for fifth in games at third. He'll catch Boggs with three more

Awesome. Thanks! I will keep an eye on that Boggs mark.

As many games at 3B as Mike Schmidt is an extremely impressive total. Schmidt played college ball and didn't hang on till extreme old age, but he had a very long career almost all at 3B (with a brief detour at 1B), obviously, and strolling past that career length while still a star is amazing.
   27. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 08, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4682193)
Game of April 7, 1984 - the best game in the career of one of the starting pitchers (but only if you apply a flashing red REGULAR SEASON ONLY caveat), and a discussion of a subjective adjustment to an objective measurement of a subjective quality.
   28. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 08, 2014 at 06:05 PM (#4682299)
Game of yesterday, which has already been discussed a little in this thread, just not really for its actual result.
   29. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 08, 2014 at 06:09 PM (#4682307)
Beltre's DHing today, but I like that his march up the third-base games played list has him tied with MIKE SCHMIDT and a few days from passing WADE BOGGS and about three months away from... gary gaetti.
   30. Kiko Sakata Posted: April 08, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4682325)
Ryne Sandberg started out 1982 (and his Cub career) 1 for 32. Add in his 1 for 6 cup of coffee the year before, and he started his career 2 (both singles) for 38 with 1 walk. Not sure if any HOFer started out worse.


Cal Ripken was 12-for-99 in his career through May 1, 1982.
   31. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 08, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4682340)
Rollie Fingers had a 27.00 ERA after his first year.
   32. BDC Posted: April 08, 2014 at 07:43 PM (#4682370)
#29, indeed. Gaetti was a rare case of a specialist 3B who wasn't awe-inspiring at any aspect of the game. Ron Cey was similar if not as long-careered. Often the greater hitters go to 1B or DH and the really great gloves don't stay as hitters. Gaetti struck a balance.
   33. AndrewJ Posted: April 08, 2014 at 08:47 PM (#4682413)
#27: That was the first ending of a no-hitter I ever saw on TV (it was NBC's Game of the Week).
   34. Walt Davis Posted: April 08, 2014 at 08:57 PM (#4682430)
As many games at 3B as Mike Schmidt is an extremely impressive total. Schmidt played college ball and didn't hang on till extreme old age, but he had a very long career almost all at 3B (with a brief detour at 1B), obviously, and strolling past that career length while still a star is amazing.

I wouldn't have guessed he'd gotten to Schmidt already but to put your point in perspective ... Schmidt had 11 games at 3B through his age 22 season; Beltre had 498. For those 3.5 seasons, Beltre put up a perfectly solid 8 WAR.

Schmidt added 462 games from age 35 on; if Beltre can match that, he'll end up with 2667. 2667 would be an absurd total but still short of Brooks at 2870 which looks like the record for any position (Mays 2829 and Vizquel 2709).
   35. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:14 PM (#4682448)
Beltre making a couple more moves on his milestone watch today, BDC. Now tied for 101st in RBI - and the next player up on that list is Graig Nettles, also a nice Beltre comp.

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