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Tuesday, April 09, 2013

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-9-2013

Pittsburgh Gazette Times, April 9, 1913:

Renewing a quarrel which began here last Saturday, Ty Cobb, Detroit star, and Rutledge Osborne, a member of the Wofford College team…engaged in a rough and tumble fight in a Greenville hotel bedroom last night. Osborne came off second best.

The friends of the “Georgia Peach” say that Osborne took offense at a fancied insult, refused to accept apology [sic], insisted on a fight, and that Cobb in sheer self-defense took Osborne to the room and gave him a spanking.
...
Efforts were made to keep the affair secret.

I’d love to know what the fancied insult was.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:01 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, history, ty cobb

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   1. Drexl Spivey Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:14 AM (#4408194)
My favorite part about the linked article is the "Hospital Has Year of Success" story.

69% of patients were "charity" patients that didn't pay anything for their treatment.
   2. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:16 AM (#4408195)
Pretty good pitching staff on today's Birthday Team. Not much in the way of offense, though.

C: A.J. Ellis
1B: Hal Morris
2B: Jim Rogers
3B: Mike Muldoon
SS: Mike Brumley
LF: Nate Colbert
CF: Ollie Pickering
RF: Bryan Petersen

SP: Doc White
SP: Hippo Vaughn
SP: Claude Passeau
SP: Kirk McCaskill
SP: Vic Sorrell
RP: Graeme Lloyd

Manager: Jack Hendricks
Owner: Richard Muckerman
Umpire: Joe Brinkman
Beat Writer: Peter Gammons
Fun Names: Happy Townsend, Tiny Osborne, Dizzy Sutherland, Talmadge Nunnari
   3. What's the realistic upside, RMc? Posted: April 09, 2013 at 07:54 AM (#4408217)
took Osborne to the room and gave him a spanking.

NTTAWWT.
   4. Dag Nabbit is a cornucopia of errors Posted: April 09, 2013 at 08:27 AM (#4408229)
   5. Dag Nabbit is a cornucopia of errors Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:41 AM (#4408267)
My article this week at THT: Got the whammy, NL teams. Every team has that one pitcher who has the whammy on them.
   6. BDC Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:45 AM (#4408270)
Notes from the Ballpark in Arlington after an eccentric but successful night for the Rangers: my favorite moment came early, when Adrian Beltre lifted a ball to left with Lance Berkman on first base, two out. Sam Fuld could have saved a run by playing back on the ball, but he dived; good play if he'd made it, and he almost did. But as a result, Berkman had to motor around to score, without a slide, thankfully, and it just about exhausted him … after the game Joe Nathan was asked about (in addition to the final strike call) the experience of working with young relievers this year, and he said something like "a few years ago that was me"; but more poignant was to see Derek Lowe, always a favorite of mine, heaving the ball in the general direction of home plate, and thinking, well in a few years more, Nathan and all pitchers will come to that. Lowe survived his outing thanks to wily veteranness, though.

The Rangers have made some changes to the Ballpark amenities. They've added seats right behind home plate. There's not a true "moat" there now, but there seems to be a subtle railing that separates hoi polloi from high rollers. And the concessions on the lower level have been upgraded, with more high-end food and shopping. One permanent stand is now devoted to $26 sandwiches, not just the two-foot-long Boomstick but a new hotdog called the Murphydilla or something like that, and a huge hamburger called the Beltre Buster (as USA Today puts it, "a great option if you want to watch a baseball game and also want to die"). They've set up some hideous "tables" to eat these gargantuan sandwiches at: the tables are shaped like baseballs with two bats sticking out of them, meaning that you can't set anything down on them or it will roll off the ball-shaped table. I don't know who even contemplates such things. Nobody was standing at them eating anything because nobody could.

One casualty of the remodeling is that Beers of Texas, my personal favorite stand, disappeared from the lower level HP area. I was bereft till I discovered that Beers of Texas is now on the third level, meaning that cheap seats and good beer are, for now, united in the same part of the park.

The crowd was announced as 27,000, but there couldn't have been more than 15,000 there at the busiest moment of the game; maybe 5,000 when it started and 10,000 when it finished. I sat in a different part of the park every inning and got a great view of the final inning of mayhem from low behind home plate. Admittedly, a Monday night in April, but the weather was gorgeous and the game was great fun. I love slow nights at the ballpark.
   7. JJ1986 Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:02 AM (#4408287)
Every team has that one pitcher who has the whammy on them.


Nowhere near as many innings as the guys on that list, but Hong-Chih Kuo against the Mets:

13 games, 110 PAs, batters hit .139/.202/.149 and scored 3 runs.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:58 PM (#4408492)
Jered Weaver out 4-6 weeks per Rosenthal.
   9. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 09, 2013 at 05:52 PM (#4408798)
Game of the day (yesterday): Reds 13, Cardinals 4. This seems like a fairly safe bet to be the largest victory margin in any GotD this year.

St. Louis started out well, as Jaime Garcia set the Reds down in order in the top of the first. In the bottom of the inning, Jon Jay led off with a single, Mat Latos walked Matt Holiday behind him, and the runners moved to second and third on a one-out wild pitch. Allen Craig struck out, and Yadier Molina flied to center - where Shin-Soo Choo dropped the ball, allowing both runners to score.

Garcia remained perfect until he walked Latos (on four pitches!) with two out in the third, and Latos kept the bases Cardinal free for the next two innings as well. Chris Heisey picked up Cincinnati's first hit of the game with a leadoff double in the fourth. Joey Votto walked, and ball four was a wild pitch that moved Heisey to third. Brandon Phillips then grounded to David Freese at third, and Freese threw home to nail Heisey. Jay Bruce bailed his teammates out with a single that scored Votto and cut the deficit to 2-1, but St. Louis got the run right back on a Craig double and a Molina single.

The starters traded flawless fifths. With two out in the sixth, Phillips homered to bring the Reds back within 1, but the Cards restored their edge once more in the bottom of the inning, as Holliday singled with one out and Molina once again flied into a two-out ROE, courtesy of Choo, bringing Holliday around. The Reds drew closer yet again in the seventh; Ryan Hanigan walked with one out, and after Garcia retired a pinch hitter, Choo singled and Heisey doubled, making the margin 4-3. Randy Choate relieved Garcia and got a groundout from Votto to leave the tying run at third.

Alfredo Simon worked a 1-2-3 bottom of the seventh, and the Cincinnati offense went back to work. Bruce lined a out-one single against Trevor Rosenthal, who then proceeded to plunk Todd Fraier. Xavier Paul came in to pinch hit and grounded a game-tying single to right. Rosenthal recovered to strand the go-ahead run at third, but the respite proved to be extremely temporary; after Sam LeCure's perfect eighth, Mitchell Boggs took the mound, and had a less-than ideal inning.

Choo led off with a walk. Heisey popped up, and Choo moved to second on a wild pitch. Votto was intentionally walked, and Phillips made that look like a rather poor decision with a go-ahead RBI double. Undeterred, Mike Matheny called for a second free pass, this one to Bruce; Frazier then drew an accidental one to force in another run. Jack Hannahan singled, bringing home Cincinnati's third tally of the inning. Hanigan reached on a Pete Kozma error, scoring their fourth and mercifully sending Boggs to the clubhouse. Marc Rzepczynski fared little better, allowing an RBI single to Cesar Izturis. That brought Choo back to the plate; batting for the second time in the inning with only one out, he socked a three-run double, making the margin 12-4. Votto's two-out RBI single earned official classification as "piling on," and JJ Hoover worked an inevitably drama-free bottom of the ninth.

After the game, a reporter placed a hidden camera in the Reds' locker room. The footage captured can be seen here.

Before the Reds decided to do their best impersonation of vengeful gods, there was one other mildly interesting tidbit in the game. The Cardinals scored four runs, which came during three Yadier Molina plate appearances, and yet Molina earned only a single RBI. But mostly, yeah, there was the deluge of Biblical proportion at the end.
   10. What's the realistic upside, RMc? Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:28 PM (#4408830)
a huge hamburger called the Beltre Buster (as USA Today puts it, "a great option if you want to watch a baseball game and also want to die").

I LOL'd.

Also, I happened to be watching the Rays-Rangers game when they showed that monstrosity on camera. (I said to my wife, "That's OK for a snack, but what's for dinner?")
   11. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:50 PM (#4408843)
Game of the day (1977): Mariners 7, Angels 6. You know how things always seem heightened around Opening Day? That's got to go at least double for expansion teams, right?

The Mariners came into this game 0-2 - not just on the season, but all-time. In fact, thanks to Frank Tanana and Nolan Ryan, they weren't merely looking for the first win in franchise history - they hadn't even scored their first run yet.

Neither quest started well in this one. Jerry Remy led off the top of the first by reaching on an error by Seattle shortstop Craig Reynolds. He then stole second, moved to third on a Bobby Grich groundout, and scored on a Bobby Bonds sac fly.

[s]Los Angeles[/s] California's starter in this one was Gary Ross, who had never been Tanana or Ryan, but was coming off of a superficially decent 1976. He retired the Mariners in order in the first. Mariner starter Stan Thomas (also coming off a decent year, but one spent almost entirely in relief) wasn't hurt as much by his fielders in the second, but this time he didn't need their help to give up two more runs. Joe Rudi doubled, moved to third on a groundout, and scored on a two-out single by Ron Jackson (not Reggie, tempting as it is to read R. Jackson for the Angels that way). Terry Humphrey singled as well, moving Jackson to third, and Remy made it three in a row, bringing home California's third run of the game.

Ross was perfect again in the second, and it was starting to look like the rout might be on again - but Thomas shut the Angels' 3-4-5 hitters down in the third. Reynolds broke up the no-hitter with a two-out single in the bottom of the inning; it wasn't much, but it was better than the alternative. Ross allowed two hits in the fourth, but there was a double play in between, so no damage was done. And in the bottom of the fourth...

Dave Collins led off with a single, and Ruppert Jones matched him. Dan Meyer doubled, scoring Collins. Ross threw a wild pitch, scoring Jones. And Steve Braun singled, scoring Meyer and tying the game.

Thomas gave up a walk, a single, and a balk in the fifth, but was again bailed out by an in-between double play. Ross threw a perfect fifth, and Thomas matched him in the sixth. In the bottom of the sixth, Meyer reached on a one-out single. Braun struck out, but Meyer stole second on strike 3. And Bill Stein singled, bringing Meyer home with the go-ahead run.

Thomas again allowed a walk and a hit in the seventh, but got Bonds to ground out with the tying run on third. Bob Stinson led off the bottom of the inning with a double and took third on a groundout. Larry Milbourne then singled to center. Insurance run, right? You'd think. In actuality, Stinson was somehow thrown out at home trying to score from third on a single to center.

I can see two possibilities here. First, it was a popup into shallow center, and Stinson had to hold up to see if it would be caught, and he ran like the catcher he was after it dropped in. Or second, the PBP account is incorrect, and Stinson did not advance on the preceding groundout. That would have been unusual, since it was a 4-3 groundout, but it wouldn't have been THIS unusual.

Milbourne at least managed to take second on the throw home, enabling him to score what should have been Stinson's run on Collins's single and pad Seattle's margin to 5-3. Thomas stayed in to start the eighth, but was quickly relieved after a Don Baylor double and a Stein error at third put runners on the corners with nobody out. Tony Solaita greeted Mike Kekich with a sac fly, and after Bruce Bochte and Jackson singled to load the bases, Bob Jones introduced himself to new reliever Tommy Moore with a sac fly of his own to tie the game.

Moore struck out Remy to end the inning. Disaster may have struck, but the Mariners had salvaged the limited dignity of a tie... at least for now. Mickey Scott retired Seattle's hitters in order in the eighth, and Moore stayed on for the ninth. Bonds doubled with one out, and a passed ball by Stinson moved him to third. The Mariners then intentionally walked both Baylor and Rudi to load the bases; Bill Laxton, who'd come on to issue the second of the two free passes, proceeded to walk Solaita as well, forcing in the go-ahead run. A flyout and a popup ended the inning without further damage, but what had already been done was plenty; the Mariners were going to lose on a catcher getting thrown out trying to score from third on a single and a bases-loaded walk.

John Verhoeven took Scott's place on the mound for the bottom of the ninth. Stein led off with a single, and was lifted for a pinch runner. Leroy Stanton struck out. That brought Stinson, who had not performed with particular brilliance for the last two innings, to the plate; it would have been all too appropriate for him to hit into the game-ending double play.

Instead, he doubled to right and tied the game. He was quickly lifted for a pinch runner (OBVIOUSLY). Verhoeven then intentionally walked Craig Reynolds, which wouldn't be especially noteworthy except that Reynolds was Seattle's #9 hitter. (It wasn't a platoon advantage thing either; Reynolds was a lefty and Verhoeven was a righty, but the walk brought switch-hitter Milbourne to the plate, and he hit better against righties in his career). The walk worked less than spectacularly, as Milbourne doubled, scoring Jose Baez from second with the first game-winning run in Mariners history.

This has to be about the best first win any franchise has ever had, right? It's a tremendous game, likely to finish among the top 10 or 20 9-inning games of the year. It also seems to have about as many franchise firsts as you can possibly cram into a game that isn't the first one you play: first win, first run, first lead, first comeback, first walkoff, first relief appearance by the opposing team... there are probably a few others I'm not noticing, but that's plenty.

So, yeah. Welcome back to major league baseball, Seattle!

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