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Monday, May 12, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-12-2014

Pittsburgh Press, May 12, 1914:

John Heydler, secretary of the National league and compiler of the official records, has just decided one of those freak plays that come up once in a while.
...
The score was 0 to 0 in the ninth inning with Manual at the bat. The bases were full with one out. A substitute batter hit cleanly to left, but instead of running to first he walked toward the bench. The runner from second was thrown out at the plate. The Bushwick catcher then threw to first…Here is the decision the umpire give [sic]:

That the batter was out for walking to the bench and that the third out was the one at the plate. He allowed the run brought in by the runner who was on third to count.

This doesn’t seem that difficult to me. The umpire blew the call: The second out was the one at the plate, and the third out came when the batter was thrown out at first. A routine 7-2-3 groundout.

The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: May 12, 2014 at 08:07 AM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: May 12, 2014 at 08:20 AM (#4704754)
Animals galore on the Birthday Team today: A bass, a chicken, and a wolf. Or is that a chickenwolf?

C/Manager: Yogi Berra
1B: Wes Helms
2B: Lou Whitaker
3B: Lave Cross
SS: Joe Dugan
LF: Kevin Bass
CF: Felipe Alou
RF: Chicken Wolf

SP: Hank Borowy
SP: Mark Clark
SP: Al Schulz
SP: Gene "Rubber Arm" Krapp
SP: Lance Lynn
RP: Tom Timmermann

Fun Name: Gookie Dawkins
Umpire: Ed Runge
   2. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 12, 2014 at 08:26 AM (#4704757)
so miller park has a one year ballpark factor of 85. yes, yes, only a year (or is just 2014?). but holy cow

so carlos gomez leads the team in runs scored, hits, homers, rbi, walks and plays superlative defense in center field. that's some contribution

so which starter has the lowest walks per nine innings? why wily peralta of course. which is pretty crazy given the presence of kyle 'i spit on walks' lohse. and especially since prior to this season wily's ability to control his fastball was the equivalent of a 5 year old chasing a butterfly.
   3. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 12, 2014 at 08:38 AM (#4704760)
Games of May 9:

1984, including the second career save for a guy who had a whole lot of them and the last career homer for a guy who didn't.

2014, notable largely for not being Yu Darvish's almost-no-hitter, but also for being an over-specific first in the career of a guy who should probably go into the Hall of Fame and probably won't.
   4. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 12, 2014 at 08:38 AM (#4704761)
milwaukee's farm system has taken a lot of guff for not producing uber stars the last few years

but on the roster you have these guys:

scooter gennett who is performing adequately at second base and at the bat.
wily peralta who has been a very solid starter this season
tyler thornburg who has been a very solid middle reliever while he waits for a starter spot to open up

yes khris davis has stunk at the plate this first five weeks though thankfully the defense has not been horrible.

but if you give four kids serious jobs and 3 of them hold their own that's a pretty good hit rate.

it's early. they could all tank. but so far the farm director doesn't need to hide his/her head in shame
   5. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 12, 2014 at 08:47 AM (#4704769)
Games of May 10:

1984, a game that would have been the best of the year so far if not for the fact that one of the best games of all time had been played over the preceding two days. Still, this one went 16 innings and included a first career win, a first career loss, and a young guy continuing to establish himself as one of the best players in baseball.

2014, an extra-inning effort including two career-highs in WPA and a linescore that represents the number 31 in binary.
   6. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: May 12, 2014 at 08:52 AM (#4704771)
Scooter Gennett. A neighbor kid who lived next to my aunt when I was growing up was named Maverick. I hope that was a nickname that he outgrew. But Scooter? Is that his given name? I hope he's a speedy runner.
   7. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: May 12, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4704774)
Scooter's given name is Ryan, but I'll give him a pass on the nickname because it's a fun story.
   8. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 12, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4704775)
bote

i think his first name is ryan. and no, he's not that fast

he's just short. they list him at 5'10" but he's 5'8"
   9. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 12, 2014 at 09:02 AM (#4704781)
dan

thanks for finding that article. i knew it existed but failed to bring it up

and if he's 5'10" i am the sultan of brunei
   10. Davo Dozier Posted: May 12, 2014 at 09:39 AM (#4704828)
FanGraphs has a stat called "Pitcher Pace" where they calculate the time between pitches. I was playing around with it last night, and noticed an odd thing.

I looked at the "2014 "Pitcher Pace" leaderboard among all pitchers with at least 10 innings pitched this year. And found this:

1. Joel Peralta, Tampa Bay: 34.7 seconds between pitches
2. Josh Lueke, Tampa Bay: 30.5 seconds between pitches
(...)
6. Grant Balfour, Tampa Bay: 29.4 seconds between pitches
7. Brandon Gomes, Tampa Bay: 29.2 seconds between pitches

If you just limit it to starting pitchers, you get:

1. Chris Archer, Tampa Bay: 26.6 seconds between pitches
2. David Price, Tampa Bay: 26.2 seconds between pitches

* The Tampa Bay Rays have the two slowest starting pitchers in baseball, and 4 of the 7 slowest relief pitchers in baseball on their team.

* There are 50 pitchers in baseball who average over 26 seconds between pitches, and 10 of them play for the Rays.

* The average pitcher this year takes 22.8 seconds between pitches—and all 14 guys on the Rays who have pitched at least 10 innings are over that mark.

Any thoughts on what's going on here?
   11. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 12, 2014 at 09:44 AM (#4704837)
davo

there is a subset in teh coaching ranks who believe the pitcher should be very deliberate in his approach. that this results in better consistency of motion while also 'freezing' the hitter

the brewers rick kranitz is a proponent but when kyle lohse showed up he didn't say so explicitly but in his own way let folks think he thought it was bs and the rest of the staff has been working to get quicker. though some do really slow down once multiple runners get on base
   12. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 12, 2014 at 10:28 AM (#4704887)
Any thoughts on what's going on here?


Obviously nobody in Tampa's noticed that Mark Buehrle is 6-1 with a 1.91 ERA.

Seriously, not one of those guys is pitching worth a crap. Now, there's some chicken-and-egg here, where guys who are putting a lot of men on base end up taking more time as a result (pushing that per-pitch time up), but I think there's something to be said for working quickly in terms of performance, whether that's establishing your own rhythm or, as we were told in little league, keeping your defenders on their toes.
   13. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 12, 2014 at 10:43 AM (#4704901)
The Game of May 11, 1984 has one of the same teams playing as the Game of May 10 did; this game lasted an inning longer than that one, which probably had most of the team's players ready to collapse from exhaustion. As a result, the team got to have a reliever make the first two appearances of his career on back-to-back days, and to have both of those appearances last multiple innings.

Also, there were two last-chance comebacks and plenty of other unconsummated opportunities in the game, and it's the third-best of 1984 so far (but only the second-best one played over the last 2 days by one of the teams).
   14. Moe Greene Posted: May 12, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4704929)
   15. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 12, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4704945)
It was observed in the John Axford thread that there are no French-Canadian hitters.

Based on which Canadian hitters look like they sort of have French names (BB-ref doesn't let you sort by Quebec), there were basically zero until Russell Martin came along. Justin Morneau has a French name but never lived in Quebec.

After them, the French Canadian with the most MLB plate appearances is Sam LaRocque, who was a starter for one year, with the 1890 Pirates.

Sorted by PA:
537 Sam LaRocque (1888-1891)
237 Gus Dugas (1930-1934)
228 Rheal Cormier (1991-2007)
220 Ty LaForest (1945)
164 Pete LaForest (2003-2007)
114 Claude Raymond (1949-1971)
108 Pete LePine (1902)
99 Eric Gagne (1999-2008)
70 Erik Bedard (2002-2014)
70 Roland Gladu (1944)
48 Ron Piche (1960-1966)

You never want to see that many relief pitchers on a list of the most impressive hitters.

Pete Ward was born in Montreal, but only because his dad was a player for the Montreal Maroons. Sherry Robertson and Tim Harkness were also born there, but those don't sound French to me.

There are actually more impressive players from Saskatchewan. (Reggie Cleveland and Terry Puhl)
   16. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 12, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4704967)
Also, Tim Harkness's real name was "Thomas". I 'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your nicknaming there, Harkness family.
   17. Rennie's Tenet Posted: May 12, 2014 at 11:39 AM (#4704970)
Animals galore on the Birthday Team today


The Pirate staff in 1969 including Bob Moose, John Lamb, Bob Veale, and Joe Gibbon.
   18. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 12, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4705084)
The Game of Yesterday was a good one - 11 innings and a third consecutive 1-run game between the two teams. It also included someone being intentionally walked so that his team's opponent could face the best position player in franchise history with the winning run in scoring position, and a pitcher who had just started a game 2 days earlier being used in a ninth-inning save situation. Good times all around.
   19. Canker Soriano Posted: May 12, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4705087)
I was looking at Pete LaForest and thinking that I remembered him having a longer career than that, and then I realized I was thinking of Pete LaCock.
   20. crict Posted: May 12, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4705092)
Napoleon Lajoie was the son of French-Canadians that moved to Rhode Island. That has to count for something. Del Bissonette is another French-American.
   21. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 12, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4705093)
Pete LaCock's name is also short for "Pierre".
   22. bobm Posted: May 12, 2014 at 05:27 PM (#4705342)
From The New York Times:

Wilpon’s Partner Has Expressed Interest in Selling His Share of Mets

Saul B. Katz has been hesitant to sell because it could result in Fred Wilpon no longer maintaining majority control of the team, according to several people in baseball.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/sports/baseball/wilpons-partner-has-expressed-interest-in-selling-his-share-of-mets.html
   23. Cblau Posted: May 12, 2014 at 08:12 PM (#4705444)
Was it the bottom of the ninth? If so, it seems to me the game ended when the run scored and the other two runners advanced a base, so the runner from second couldn't be out at the plate.
   24. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: May 12, 2014 at 09:06 PM (#4705467)
The article suggests it was the top of the ninth, though it doesn't specifically say so.
   25. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 12, 2014 at 09:51 PM (#4705494)
How did he blow the call? The runner from second was not out on a force, but on a tag play. That removed the force, allowing the lead runner's run to count. The other out at first, whether it was the second or third, wouldn't have changed anything.
   26. BDC Posted: May 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM (#4705508)
Did the runner from first somehow score before the catcher's throw reached first base? IOW the runner from third scores anyway and the runner from second is out anyway, as SoSH says. So the the debate might be whether one run or two scored.

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