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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-13-2019

Chattanooga News, May 13, 1919:

Pitcher Urban Shocker, of the St. Louis Browns, late yesterday, filed suit for divorce against his wife, Minerva. He charges she tried to ruin his professional career by telling false stories about him to managers of baseball clubs.

That’s just weird. There’s gotta be more to that story, but I can’t find much about it.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 13, 2019 at 10:49 AM | 46 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 13, 2019 at 10:53 AM (#5841454)
All kinds of personality on today's Birthday Team: Daddy Wags, Rijo, Zito. Whoever this guy is.

C: John Roseboro (22.5 WAR)
1B: Jimmy Archer (10.3 WAR)
2B: Bert Niehoff (4.1 WAR)
3B: Larry Gardner (48.3 WAR)
SS/Manager: Bobby Valentine (2.0 WAR)
LF: Willson Contreras (10.1 WAR)
CF: Juan Beniquez (10.0 WAR)
RF: Leon Wagner (11.9 WAR)

SP: Jose Rijo (36.5 WAR)
SP: Barry Zito (31.9 WAR)
SP: Mike Sirotka (9.9 WAR)
SP: Frank Miller (9.2 WAR)
SP: Cliff Fannin (4.3 WAR)
RP: David Hernandez (6.7 WAR)
RP: Mychal Givens (6.4 WAR)

Fun names: Carden Gillenwater, Robby Hammock, Don LeJohn, Frank Buttery, Boze Berger
Not that one: Dusty Rhodes
Umpire/Not that one: Bill McKinley
Umpire: Bill Kinnamon
Broadcaster: Sean McDonough
   2. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:01 AM (#5841457)
Quick quasi-trivia question for while I'm typing up the 1919 starting pitcher rankings: The 1919 World Series is a pretty famous (infamous) one, for obvious reasons. That being said... there were five pitchers who started 10 or more games for the world champion 1919 Reds, and before doing this project, I'm not sure I could have named any of them. How many can you guys come up with?

(Hint, if it counts as one: None of them will be discussed at all in the 1919 rankings until the World Series is played.)
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:04 AM (#5841459)
Bobby Valentine was born on the exact same day as Stevie Wonder.

One thing I've always wondered about manager ejections: Can't they just go into the clubhouse, watch the game on TV, and send instructions back to someone in the dugout? Why did Valentine need to come back to the dugout in disguise, other than he thought it was cool?
   4. PreservedFish Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:05 AM (#5841461)
I was at the Bobby Valentine mustachio game, although of course I was unaware that it was happening at the time. Great story, I know.
   5. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5841462)
Whoever this guy is.


Funny coincidence. I was listening to a Judge John Hodgeman podcast yesterday, and he mentioned Bobby V as the inventor of the wrap, as in sandwich wrap, circa~1982.
   6. Itchy Row Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:10 AM (#5841463)
Edd Roush and Greasy Neale are the only players I can name from the 1919 Reds. That team had a .686 winning percentage, better than any of the Big Red Machine teams. The only team with a better winning percentage in franchise history was the 1882 Red Stockings in the American Association.
   7. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:12 AM (#5841466)
   8. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5841467)
Edd Roush and Greasy Neale are the only players I can name from the 1919 Reds.


That's one more than I could have, but looking at their roster, there are a bunch of familiar names. But the only pitcher I have ever heard of started only 9 games.
   9. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:25 AM (#5841471)
Hmmm.... I created a 1918 season disk for Diamond Mind some years ago... Without having it in front of me, the Reds pitchers I can recall from that team were Pete Schneider, Hod Eller, Fred Toney, Dolph Luque, and Rube Bressler. That's probably a good starting point.

Hal Chase also played for the 1918 Reds, but IIRC ended the season on team suspension for "laying down" and may have been elsewhere by 1919. He must have, otherwise the Series would have been a total race to the bottom for who was working the hardest to lose the Series.
   10. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5841472)
1886 Larry Gardner, infielder, born
1896 last game: Elton "Icebox" Chamberlain, pitcher
1899 Ed Delahanty lined four doubles in a game
1901 MLB debut: Eddie Plank
1911 Ty Cobb's first slam puts DET up 10-1 over BOX, but Boston comes back to win, 13-11
1911 Phi 5, Cin 4 (16). Alxndr: 8 IP HITLESS relief
1912 Prank; Wrn Union operator Lou Proctor inserts his name in box score of StL-Box game - he makes Baseball Encyclopdia
1915 MLB debut: Scott Perry, temporary phenom for Connie Mack's in-between years A's
1918 3,000 games as manager: Connie Mack (1,566-1,384)
1919 MLB debut: Charlie Robertson
1921 Cardinals franchise record drops to all-time low 458 games under .500 (2,493-2,951)
1923 1 of only 2 times Joe Sewell fans twice in a game
1929 last of 6 games Mel Ott plays at 2B
1929 last game: Bill Doak
1929 CLE beats Yanks 4-3. 1st game both teams have numbers on their backs. NYY catcher Bil lDickey gets 3 assists in one inning
1933 John Roseboro born
1934 Leon Wagner, Daddy Wags, born
1934 Hank Greenberg has 2 SH in game for only timey
1937 Carl Hubbell wins his 21st straight - tying Rub Marquard's record
1937 angry at a balk call, DDean leaves mount & only returns when crowd chants his name, then tosses AT NYG hitter
1940 Johnny Mize hits 3 HR in a game
1940 Cin coach Jim Wilson & StL' Lon Warneke serve as umps when their teams met today - make up 4/23 floodd out game
1942 Jim Tobin becomes only pitcher to HR three times in one game. Wins 6-5. 4 RBI
1943 Pat Malone, Cub pitcher, dies at age 40
1944 MLB debut: Cal McLish
1946 NYY become 1st MLB team to fly on a regular basis - Red Ruffing, 4 others take train
1947 Bobby Doerr hits for his 2nd cycle
1949 Luke Appling, age 42, hits inside the park HR
1950 Bobby Valentine born
1952 Only time Mickey Mantle plays 3B
1952 Applachian League: Ron Necciai of BristonTwins fans 27 in 7-0 no-hitter. 1 PB on swinging strike 3. 1 groundout
1954 Robin Roberts allows lead-off HR to Bobby Adams of CIN, then retires 27 straight batters
1955 Mickey Mantle hits 3 HR in 1 game. Only time he ever does it
1956 for 3rd time in his career, Warren Spahn hits HR & tosses CG SHO
1956 Eddie Mathews at park w/ glass shards deeply lodged in hsi face (woman tossed in his direction when partying last night). Goes 4-for-8 in doubleheader
1958 Willie Mays gets 15 TB in one game (his 2nd best): 5-for-5 w/ 2 3B & 2 HR. 4 R & 4 RBI
1958 3,000 hits: Stan Musial
1959 CWS purchase Larry Doby from DET for $30,000
1959 250 wins: Warren Spahn
1960 Dick Groat, PIT, gets 6 hits in a game
1965 MLB debut: Horace Clarke
1965 MLB debut: Catfish Hunter
1965 Jose Rijo born
1965 25-year-old Dick Wantz, CAL reliever, dies following surgery for brain cancer. Only 1 MLB appearance
1969 Only inside the park HR by Rod Carew
1970 Bob Gibson allows the 1st grand slam of his career: 2569.2 IP until now
1972 Buzz Capra, NYM pitcher, tosses SHO & has game's only RBI in 1-0 win
1972 after finishing yesterday's curfewed game (MIN beats MIL in 22 innings, 21 played yesterday), they play a 15-inning game, MIN 5-4 win
1975 Jerry Reuss's best start: 9 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 12 K (his high)
1976 George Brett gets at least 3 hits for 6th consecutive game
1976 CLE dress ball girl Debbie Berndt in whtie as fairy godmother. She sprinkles Rick Manning w/ fairy dust. He makes 2 bad misplays
1978 Barry Zito born
1979 200 homers: Mike Schmidt
1980 Ray Knight hits two homers in the 5th inning
1980 Fred Lynn hits for the cycle
1982 Cubs' 8,000th franchise win: 5-0 shutout of Houston
1983 Reggie Jackson becomes 1st player to fan 2,000 times
1986 PHI release Larry Anderson, allowing Hou to pick him up 3 days later
1989 Kirby Puckett clubs 4 doubles
1990 last game: Jody Davis
1990 LAD trades Willie Randolph to A's for Stan Javier
1991 Tom Glavine's only career SB. It's of 3rd base, right after he doubled off Shawn Boskie of the Cubs
1993 WPA's favorite Paul Molitor game: WPA 1.000. 2-for-5, 1 2B, 1 HR. 1 R, 4 RBI, 1 K. Tor 6, Det 5
1993 300 homers: George Brett
1994 Tim Salmon gets his 13th consecutive hit
1999 Mexico City Tigers crack 3 grand slams in 16-5 rout. Julio Franco has one
2000 WPA's favorite Ken Griffey game. WPA 1.011. 3-for-4, 1 2B, 2 HR. 3 Runs, 4 RBI. 1 HBP. 1 SB. Cin 8, Hou 7
2000 NYM release Rickey Henderson
2000 Mel & Todd Stottlemyre become 1st father-son combo to combine for 300 wins. Todd wins #136 this day
2000 4th time a pitcher allows 3 HR w/out recording a single out (6 times from 1920-2010). Mike Trombley, O's
2002 2nd of 2 walk-off walks for Jeff Kent
2007 Fred Lewis hits for the cycle
2007 MLB debut: Carlos Gomez
2007 Col Byung-Hyun Kim to FLOR
2009 Ryan Zimmrman hitting streak ends at 30 games for the Nationals
2009 Ken Griffey's worst game by WPA: -0.460. 0-for-5 w/ 2 K and 1 GIDP. Tex 6, Sea 5
2009 MLB debut: Gerardo Parra
2009 Gerardo Parra, AZ, homers in his first PA in the majors. 100th to do so
2009 Alfonso Soriano hits his 53rd leadoff HR, passing Craig Biggio for 2nd most
2009 1st time since replay begun for HR in '08 that HR reversed: Adam LaRoche of PIT vs. STL
2010 Mat Latos almost tosses no-hitter: 6th inning IF 1B to 3B, but throw to first is a touch too late. Latos also has only RBI - wins 1-0
2010 MLB debut: Ivan Nova
2012 MIA 8, NYM 4. 6 run btm 9th for MIA - walk-off grand slam by Giancarlo Stanton - 1 of 2 w-off slams on the day
2012 CIN 9, DCN 6. Walk-off grand slam by Joey Votto. 1 of 2 w-off slams on the day
2012 Jeff Suppan allows his 19th career leadoff homer. Ties Pedro Martinez for all-time career lead
2013 NYM sign Rick Ankiel
2014 Cubs lose 4-3 in 11 innings on bases loaded walk-off HBP to … an opposing reliever! STL wins
2015 Corey Kluber, CLE, strikes out 18 in 8 IP. Allows one hit
2015 Cubs beat the Mets 2-1 on a walk-off walk. Cubs tied it in the bottom of the 8th. Matt Harvey: 7 scoreless innings
2016 Max Scherzer, DCN, takes photos at the corner of 20th & K NW. Makes sense.
2017 MLB debut: Ian Happ
   11. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:30 AM (#5841474)
1919 Reds third baseman Heinie Groh had his bottle bat.

Pitcher Slim Sallee had a famously bizarre line for the 1919 Reds: About 20 wins, 20 walks, and 20 Ks -- for the entire year. (Looks up the exact numbers) - 21 wins, 20 walks, 24 Ks - in in 227.2 IP.

And manager Pat Moran is the subject of this piece.
   12. Master of the Horse Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5841477)
Just stopped by bbref and Bellinger has over 4 WAR. And he leads MLB in both offensive and defense WAR. I don't know which is more incredible.

Also pretty crazy is Jay Bruce with his 12 homers and .188 batting average. Bruce has 24 hits with 12 homers and 6 doubles. And sss applies but check out the home performance of .118/.237/.392
   13. Master of the Horse Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5841480)
Since I was on Bruce's page that caused me to check out Santana who had started out hot, but I thought had chilled. Still with a 130 ops plus so far and over one WAR offensively but his defense almost cancels out his offense. I watched Santana with the Crew and while he had some bad plays I never got on board with the guy being a disaster. But maybe he is that bad.
   14. Sweatpants Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:47 AM (#5841482)
Dutch Ruether was one of the main guys on the 1919 Reds. I think that Jimmy Ring was on the team that year, too.

The 2B was Morrie Rath, a Bill James favorite who's most famous for getting hit leading off game one. I think that Jake Daubert was playing 1B for them by 1919.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:51 AM (#5841486)
I too almost commented on Bobby V's invention of the wrap, although it seems like the type of thing that might have dozens of purported inventors, and hundreds of historical antecedents. Bobby V was also a national ballroom dancing champion, if memory serves me right.
   16. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5841487)
Since I was on Bruce's page that caused me to check out Santana who had started out hot, but I thought had chilled. Still with a 130 ops plus so far and over one WAR offensively but his defense almost cancels out his offense. I watched Santana with the Crew and while he had some bad plays I never got on board with the guy being a disaster. But maybe he is that bad.


The Mariners TV crew were talking about this a couple of days ago after Santana was sat down for a day or two after some poor plays in left field. They mentioned that he has, for whatever reason, been having a hard time adjusting to left field after playing right field for the past few seasons; he hadn't played left field since four games in 2016. In particular, his routes to the ball have been bad. They noted that he has been working on the problem, and has been showing improvement...
   17. PreservedFish Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:53 AM (#5841488)
2012 Jeff Suppan allows his 19th career leadoff homer. Ties Pedro Martinez for all-time career lead


Do they still hold this record?
   18. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 13, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5841496)
Here are the 1919 starting pitching rankings, based on a slightly modified version of Bill James's method (the main modification being that I'm doing the park/league context adjustments differently because James is doing them wrong).

After the inactivity penalties everyone takes during the offseason, the top 15 entering the year were:
1. Walter Johnson 568
2. Hippo Vaughn 542
3. Carl Mays 511
4. Stan Coveleski 498
5. Babe Ruth 497
6. Lefty Tyler 490
7. Wilbur Cooper 486
8. Bullet Joe Bush 466
9. Fred Toney 454
10. Eddie Cicotte 450
11. Jim Bagby 442
12. Harry Harper 437
13. Art Nehf 434
14. Pol Perritt 434
15. Jim Shaw 433

The 1919 season, like 1918, was cut short of the usual length. Unlike the preceding year, however, it was intentionally scheduled as a 140-game season, so the home/road disparities were not present this time. The year got off to a characteristically strange start, as the Braves and Dodgers played a doubleheader on April 19, and then no other games were played until the 23rd. The rankings were nearly unchanged by the end of April (in the top 10, Tyler and Coveleski switched places, and Cicotte moved up two spots).

In early May, two excellent starts from Vaughn and two poor ones from Johnson brought the Cubs' ace within striking distance of the top spot; the gap was 563.6 to 561.4 on May 8. Vaughn's next start was fine, but not enough to make the pass, and on May 11, Johnson threw his best game of the year - twelve 2-hit innings in a shutout tie, good for a 106 Game Score. The margin was suddenly 16 points, and (spoiler alert for 100 years ago) that ended the drama at the top of the rankings for the year.

The top 10 remained pretty stable through the early part of the season not necessarily because they were pitching well (indeed, two of them weren't pitching at all - Bush didn't make his first start until mid-May, and Toney was out of action until June), but because nobody who was in position to catch them was standing out. At the end of May, the top 10 stood as follows:

Johnson 577
Vaughn 555
Mays 518
Cicotte 504
Cooper 502
Coveleski 501
Tyler 493
Ruth 486
Nehf 466
Bush 458

For the #10 spot to only move up eight points in over a month at the beginning of the season is fairly unusual (because the rankings are suppressed by inactivity penalties from the offseason); that's appropriate, because most of the top guys weren't standing out much in the early part of the season. The rankings did have a pretty well-established 1-6 grouping that would generally remain intact for a while; note the 35-point gap between 6th and 9th, which was filled only by two pitchers who combined to make just 20 starts in 1919. Over the month of June, the 9 and 10 spots would change hands several times, but there was little else to report outside of the Big Train clearing 600 again. The end-of-month top 10:

Johnson 605
Vaughn 560
Mays 535
Cicotte 526
Coveleski 523
Cooper 501
Ruth 491
Tyler 487
Dick Rudolph 474 (up from 28th at the beginning of the year)
Nehf 472

In early-to-mid July, a combination of inactivity and mediocrity combined to drop Mays out of the #3 spot for the first time all season; he was passed by both Cicotte and Coveleski on July 13. At that point, Rudolph (whose ERA to this point in the season was 1.48) had climbed past the inactive Ruth and Tyler to #7, but his wave would crest there, stymied by the wide gap separating him from the consistent solid work of the top 6 (and by regression to the mean). Late in the month, a resurgent Fred Toney and Jim Shaw would surpass him and pull within range of the top grouping. At the end of July:

Johnson 610
Vaughn 569
Cicotte 537
Coveleski 530
Mays 521 (inactive for 18 days at this point)
Cooper 506
Toney 500
Shaw 495
Rudolph 489
Bagby 486

There is one name that has been conspicuously absent from the upper echelon of the rankings so far. Grover Cleveland Alexander started the year at #19, thanks to missing almost all of the preceding year due to military service. He didn't debut until May 9, and for just over a month, he pitched acceptably, if not quite to his usual standards (2.62 ERA, average Game Score of 57). He then did not start from June 17 until July 15. On July 14, he sat at #32.

Alexander threw an 11-inning shutout on July 23, jumping to #24. Four days later, another shutout (a boring nine-inning one this time) pushed him to #19. He took a loss on August 2, but one in which he went 14 innings and struck out 15. Then came eight solid innings on August 6, and shutouts on 8/10 and 8/14. At the end of that run (one month, 7 starts, 67 innings, 0.78 ERA, 82 average Game Score), Alexander had climbed to #8.

The other notable development around this time was that Carl Mays was traded from the Red Sox to the Yankees. Mays at this point was 5-11, albeit with a 2.47 ERA, and he did not start between July 13 and August 7. After joining his new team, however, Mays went on something of a tear; for the remainder of August, he went 5-1, 1.61 in 7 starts (67 innings). The other previously-struggling member of the top 6, Wilbur Cooper, had an exemplary August of his own (5-1, 1.31, average Game Score of 77 in 6 starts, climbing briefly to #3), leaving the rankings as follows at the end of the month:

Johnson 609
Vaughn 572
Coveleski 549
Cooper 545
Mays 544
Cicotte 542
Alexander 522
Toney 510
Shaw 506
Allan Sothoron 501 (up from 18th to start the year)

I don't know much about Allan Sothoron, really; his B-R page basically says he was very good in 1918 and 1919, and not so much outside of those years. So this would seem to make sense.

Very little changed for the rest of the year. Johnson made only 3 starts in September, displaying his characteristic brilliance in the limited work; Vaughn was also very good in more outings, but couldn't pull within striking distance of the top spot. Alexander's continued strong work (he would edge Vaughn for the ERA title) allowed him to narrowly slip into the top 6 by the end of the regular season. At the end of September:

Johnson 616
Vaughn 584
Mays 559
Cooper 555
Cicotte 546
Alexander 540
Coveleski 540
Nehf 521
Shaw 504
Jeff Pfeffer 500 (nice to see him back from the military as well)

As indicated in post 2, we have yet to hear from a Cincinnati Reds starting pitcher. That obviously changes somewhat in the World Series. As the Series began, the Reds had two members near the bottom of the top 20 (Slim Sallee was #18, Hod Eller #19). The White Sox had #5 Cicotte, and #12 Lefty Williams, which might have given them an advantage under non-Series-throwing circumstances.

I'm not going to recap the entire Series here; other people have done that before, for obvious reasons. Cicotte was lousy on purpose in Game 1; Williams was lousy on purpose in Game 8. Outside of that, their "efforts" were more subtle, tending to clump in one bad inning, which doesn't hurt their Game Scores much. (Fielding errors were also involved, leading to unearned runs, which Game Score doesn't penalize as harshly.) Combine that with Cicotte's actual honest effort in Game 7, and he ends the Series right where he started it, while Williams drops only 3 spots.

Here are your end-of-season top 15:
1. Walter Johnson 613
2. Hippo Vaughn 582
3. Carl Mays 558
4. Wilbur Cooper 554
5. Eddie Cicotte 544
6. Grover Cleveland Alexander 539
7. Stan Coveleski 538
8. Art Nehf 520
9. Jim Shaw 502
10. Jeff Pfeffer 497
11. Fred Toney 496
12. Hod Eller 491 (a Cincinnati Red finally!)
13. Allan Sothoron 488
14. Babe Ruth 486 (pitching juuust enough to stay relevant - not like he had anything else going on this year)
15. Lefty Williams 486

I feel like I've barely mentioned Walter Johnson and Hippo Vaughn here, which is unfortunate, because both of them were amazing in 1919 after having been amazing in 1918. Which is why they remained #1 and #2 all season long. 1919 was Johnson's last season as an untouchable titan (his SEVENTH of at least 10 WAR, the last two of which came in shortened schedules), and Vaughn's last in a four-year run as a genuine ace. There wasn't much to say because they both stayed well ahead of the field all year, but that's its own commentary. (In particular, Johnson was #1 all season, and it's not even close to being his best work.)
   19. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 13, 2019 at 12:12 PM (#5841500)
Pete Schneider, Hod Eller, Fred Toney, Dolph Luque, and Rube Bressler.

Eller was the only one of these who was still a regular on the '19 Reds; Luque was around but mostly pitched in relief (9 starts), while Bressler was sort of a split pitcher/hitter (4 starts). Schneider was on his way out of the league (4 starts for the Yankees and then gone); Toney was traded to the Giants in mid-1918 and still going strong.

Dutch Ruether was one of the main guys on the 1919 Reds. I think that Jimmy Ring was on the team that year, too.

Yes and yes. The other two regular starters were Slim Sallee and Ray Fisher.
   20. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 13, 2019 at 12:33 PM (#5841512)
Bonus note about 1918-19: Here is my off-the-cuff ranking of how well people remember and account for the various mass playing-time-reduction factors that MLB has experienced in the AL/NL era.

1. World War II
2. 1994-95 strike
3. 1981 strike
4. 154-game schedule before expansion
5. 1918-19 shortened due to World War I
6. Even shorter schedules just after the turn of the century (the 154-game schedule debuted in 1904)
7. 1972 was shortened by like a week due to labor issues

3 and 4 could maybe be switched, and 5 through 7 are probably about a tie for "basically nobody bothers with this." Obviously WWII is justified in being on top, but it's worth pointing out that 1918-19 is the only stretch that saw both shortened schedules and players losing entire seasons for service. That stretch also gets hit hard if you're looking at hitters and not using context-neutral numbers; the combination of shortened seasons and still-legal spitballs and "nobody has quite figured out home runs yet" is not a friendly one. (As an example, George Sisler is sometimes seen as just having a two-year peak without much else, when he was actually one of the best players in the AL from 1917-22.)
   21. Itchy Row Posted: May 13, 2019 at 12:51 PM (#5841519)
2012 Jeff Suppan allows his 19th career leadoff homer. Ties Pedro Martinez for all-time career lead


Do they still hold this record?
I don't see a way to search for this in bb-ref. It lets us see who's the leader in home runs allowed to the first hitter faced in an appearance (Armando Benitez with 39) but it doesn't let us limit it to games started. The most HR allowed leading off innings is Robin Roberts with 150.
   22. bobm Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:01 PM (#5841525)
BR PI Event Finder:

All of MLB: 4749 Home Runs in 1925-2019, 0 Outs, during 1st Inning, Batting 1st and With Bases Empty

     Jeff Suppan 19
  Pedro Martinez 19

     Jamie Moyer 18

       Dan Haren 16

Justin Verlander 15

  Catfish Hunter 14
     Ian Kennedy 14
 Yovani Gallardo 14
       Ted Lilly 14
      Randy Wolf 14

  Woody Williams 13
    Frank Tanana 13
    Mark Buehrle 13
     Phil Niekro 13
   Randy Johnson 13
 Edinson Volquez 13
  Anibal Sanchez 13
   23. SandyRiver Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:01 PM (#5841526)
1958 3,000 hits: Stan Musial

The team wanted to have Musial get #3,000 at home, but they needed a hit at Chicago on the final game of a road trip, and Stan smacked an RBI double (fittingly - he hit 724 others) to aid a 5-3 win. That hit, his 43rd of the year, gave him a slash line of .489/.553/.795 - not bad to start the season.
   24. Master of the Horse Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5841528)
This has to be the only baseball trivia question where the two answers are Jeff Suppan and Pedro. Other than both being right-handed is there anything else remotely in common between these guys?
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5841531)
Other than both being right-handed is there anything else remotely in common between these guys?


They squared off in Game 3 of the 2004 World Series. Suppan singled off Pedro to lead off the third, but was later doubled up at third base on an outstanding defensive play by David Ortiz.
   26. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:11 PM (#5841534)
I don't know if it can be considered a "mass playing-time-reduction" but several significant players, including stars such as Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Whitey Ford, and Don Newcombe missed time due to military service during the Korean War.
   27. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:23 PM (#5841544)
I don't see a way to search for this in bb-ref. It lets us see who's the leader in home runs allowed to the first hitter faced in an appearance (Armando Benitez with 39) but it doesn't let us limit it to games started. The most HR allowed leading off innings is Robin Roberts with 150.

Here's how to do it:

- Pick a pitcher
- Put the cursor over "Finders and Advanced Stats"
- Click on "HR Log"
- Click on the "Notes" column. All lead-off homers will be arranged.
- Count the leadoff homers.

Repeat for all pitches you deem worthy of looking up.

Years ago when I was still writing at THT, I did this for an utter ####### of pitchers. At the time, from memory, Suppan was one behind Martinez. Then he caught him!

Look up pitchers who've allowed a lot of homers in recent years and see if anyone else has caught them. Me? I don't feel like doing it.

EDITED: Or read post #22. bobm is better at this than I am, clearly.
   28. Nasty Nate Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5841546)
Other than both being right-handed is there anything else remotely in common between these guys?

They squared off in Game 3 of the 2004 World Series. Suppan singled off Pedro to lead off the third, but was later doubled up at third base on an outstanding defensive play by David Ortiz.
They were teammates in the second half of 2003.

Also, prior to that, the Red Sox lost Suppan and gained Martinez in the same offseason, maybe even the same day.
   29. bobm Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5841548)
[27] see [22]
   30. Itchy Row Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5841549)
Here's how to do it:

- Pick a pitcher
- Put the cursor over "Finders and Advanced Stats"
- Click on "HR Log"
- Click on the "Notes" column. All lead-off homers will be arranged.
- Count the leadoff homers.
I actually did something like that for two of them (Sabathia and Colon) and neither one has approached the Suppan/Martinez record. bobm's way is better.
   31. PreservedFish Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:29 PM (#5841551)
It lets us see who's the leader in home runs allowed to the first hitter faced in an appearance (Armando Benitez with 39)


That is a truly impressive total.
   32. Master of the Horse Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5841554)
25/28--so they pitched in the same game once and were both involved in transactions with the Red Sox. Feeling pretty good that these guys did not have much in common when such discrete events are the only thing sharp baseball people can connect. Thanks!
   33. bobm Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5841556)
Shocker seems to have been very jealous.

1. He and Minerva were married about a year. She was a former vaudevillian in her second marriage. He apparently insisted she travel with him on road trips because he was suspicious. See: "Urban Shocker: Silent Hero of Baseball's Golden Age" by Steve Steinberg

2. Per Shocker's SABR bio regarding a later wife:

Shocker won 20 games in 1923 and it may have been more. But the veteran pitcher took a stand against the club rule prohibiting wives from accompanying the team on road trips. Shocker refused to join the Browns on a trip to Philadelphia without his wife, Irene. When Shocker was threatened with fines and suspension, he held his ground. He was suspended for the remainder of the 1923 season, pitching his last game on September, 7 at Chicago. Shocker brought his case to Commissioner Landis, making a plea that he be declared a “free agent”. However a settlement was finally reached between Shocker and the Browns.


   34. Master of the Horse Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:35 PM (#5841559)
31--Yeah I missed that line the first time posted. Benitez was a reliever so that total given his pitching volume, meaning not much, is unreal. And Benitez was considered good for a while, right? So the leverage for a lot of his appearances had to be pretty high. So these homers likely turned many games against his team. Just, wow
   35. Itchy Row Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5841561)
Also, prior to that, the Red Sox lost Suppan and gained Martinez in the same offseason, maybe even the same day.
Yep.
November 18, 1997: Traded by the Montreal Expos to the Boston Red Sox for a player to be named later and Carl Pavano. The Boston Red Sox sent Tony Armas (December 18, 1997) to the Montreal Expos to complete the trade.
November 18, 1997: Drafted by the Arizona Diamondbacks from the Boston Red Sox as the 3rd pick in the 1997 expansion draft.

They finished their careers with the same number of balks- 6. So there's that.
   36. Sweatpants Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5841571)
25/28--so they pitched in the same game once and were both involved in transactions with the Red Sox. Feeling pretty good that these guys did not have much in common when such discrete events are the only thing sharp baseball people can connect. Thanks!
Eh, you started with, "This has to be the only baseball trivia question where the answers are Jeff Suppan and Pedro," and SoSH responded by pointing out that "Who were the starting pitchers in game three of the 2004 World Series?" works too. I wouldn't say that your original point has been validated here.
   37. Rennie's Tenet Posted: May 13, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5841587)
That hit, his 43rd of the year, gave him a slash line of .489/.553/.795 - not bad to start the season.


How can people let that slide past? He was 37 years old. He even upped the average to .500 on May 14, before his long slump (.302) that finished the season at .337.
   38. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 13, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5841592)
I don't know if it can be considered a "mass playing-time-reduction" but several significant players, including stars such as Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Whitey Ford, and Don Newcombe missed time due to military service during the Korean War.

Good call - I meant to include this but it slipped my mind, which probably qualifies as ironic.
   39. Master of the Horse Posted: May 13, 2019 at 02:57 PM (#5841606)
36--I guess that qualifies as a trivia question but on the tamest possible level. They just struck me as wildly different players on multiple levels joined now by allowing leadoff homers and career balk totals.
   40. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 13, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5841621)
Couple of bonus notes from 1919, both of them featuring the still-terrible Philadelphia A's. On September 4, Harry Harper of the Senators (6-20) faced off with Rollie Naylor of the A's (3-18) in a matchup of pitchers who were a combined 29 games below .500 at that point. This has to be one of the larger figures ever seen, I would think without having any way of confirming. (Harper had actually briefly jumped into the top 10 earlier in the year; his ERA through May was 1.93. It... did not stay there, ending up at a 3.75 mark partly due to a 5.44 for the last two months.)

And second, if you think Rollie Naylor had a rough year... on September 5, Win Noyes, also of the A's, posted a Game Score of -26 in this game. That's not just the lowest I've seen in four seasons' worth of data entry, it's the first I've seen that was in negative double digits. It was the second-to-last start of Noyes's career, for fairly obvious reasons; the last would be on behalf of the White Sox on September 27 as they rested their regular pitchers for the World Series, which worked out great.
   41. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 13, 2019 at 04:14 PM (#5841630)
Win Noyes, also of the A's, posted a Game Score of -26 in this game.

From back in the day when starters sometimes just had to get their 300 pitches in so the bullpen could get some rest.
   42. Nasty Nate Posted: May 13, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5841633)
Couple of bonus notes from 1919, both of them featuring the still-terrible Philadelphia A's. On September 4, Harry Harper of the Senators (6-20) faced off with Rollie Naylor of the A's (3-18) in a matchup of pitchers who were a combined 29 games below .500 at that point.
Well, what happened in the game? Don't leave us in suspense!
   43. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5841636)
Well, what happened in the game?
It's in the top of the 3rd.
   44. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 13, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5841637)
Well, what happened in the game? Don't leave us in suspense!

It's in the top of the 3rd.


Well played.

In actuality: A's 6, Senators 3; Harper dropped to 6-21, Naylor moved to 4-18. Neither pitcher started again that year, though both would pitch sparingly in relief (and Naylor got another win in one of his relief outings, improving to 5-18.)
   45. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 13, 2019 at 08:44 PM (#5841737)
Shocker seems to have been very jealous.

1. He and Minerva were married about a year. She was a former vaudevillian in her second marriage. He apparently insisted she travel with him on road trips because he was suspicious. See: "Urban Shocker: Silent Hero of Baseball's Golden Age" by Steve Steinberg
This is terrific, Bob, thanks.
   46. Walt Davis Posted: May 13, 2019 at 08:54 PM (#5841741)
Suppan also gets to tell his grandkids that he had more career starts than Pedro.

Pedro's WHIP was lower than Suppan's HIP.

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