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Wednesday, May 14, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-14-2014

Pittsburgh Press, May 14, 1914:

The chances are that President Tener, of the National league, will take some cognizance of the charges which have been publicly made by George Stallings, manager of the Boston Braves, against Umpire Rigler. Stallings said recently:

“Rigler wanted me to sign a third baseman named Gonzales, but because he was refused, and therefore couldn’t get his rake-off, he’s been throwing the hooks into my club ever since…We simply can’t win a game that Rigler umpires.”

If this is not directly charging Rigler with crookedness, it is the closest thing in the world to do, and President Tener should insist on the Boston manager proving his charges or retracting them…It is said that Stallings is not the only man connected with the National league who knows more about Rigler than it would be nice to tell. Other managers have charged that it was mighty hard to beat the Giants when Rigler was umpiring, but the charges have never before been made openly.

It was mighty hard to beat the Giants when anybody was umpiring.

Anyway, nothing came of the charges, and eventually Rigler was promoted to supervisor of the NL umpiring staff. Coincidentally (or not), Rigler officiated in the 1912, 1913, and 1915 World Series, but was absent for the Miracle Braves’ series in 1914.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 14, 2014 at 07:59 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cy rigler, dugout, george stallings, history

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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 14, 2014 at 08:02 AM (#4706393)
Heckuva Birthday Team today. They've even got a high-end Primate.

C: Pat Borders
1B: Tony Perez
2B: Joey Cora
3B: Fran Mullins
SS/Manager: Dick Howser
LF: Bob Thurman
CF: Earle Combs
RF: Hosken Powell

SP: Ed Walsh
SP: Roy Halladay
SP: Dennis Martinez
SP: Dick Tidrow
SP: Brian Lawrence
RP: Dave LaRoche

Co-Owners: J.L. Wilkinson and Alex Pompez
Cool Name: Wimpy Quinn
Primate: Dag Nabbit
   2. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 14, 2014 at 08:10 AM (#4706398)
So...Drew Pomeranz is looking pretty good. I don't think I'll question any more of Billy's trades.
   3. Rennie's Tenet Posted: May 14, 2014 at 08:14 AM (#4706400)
Is Tener pronounced "Teener" or "Tenner"? If it's "tenner", he could be on all-currency teams.
   4. bobm Posted: May 14, 2014 at 09:04 AM (#4706417)
"Tenner" per page 42 of
   5. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: May 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM (#4706445)
So...Drew Pomeranz is looking pretty good. I don't think I'll question any more of Billy's trades.

You know, I picked him up in a Fantasy League for last night's start. But while I was adding him, it occurred to me..."The only reason I think he's going to be any good is because Billy Beane acquired him."

It reminded me of something Malcolm Gladwell said--he was imagining a scenario where an NBA team made him their GM overnight, and discussing what his drafting strategy would be...and he said he'd just take the leading scorer on the Duke Blue other words, he'd just completely turn the player assessment responsibilities over to Coach Krzyzewski, since Gladwell was aware that Coach K knew more about basketball than he ever would.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4706630)
Jeff Keppinger DFAed. He is signed through 2015.

He'd make a lot of sense for the Royals.
   7. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 14, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4706685)
Is Keppinger really as disastrous in the field as BBRef WAR makes him out to be? (-1.0 dWAR last year, -0.9 in 2011, -1.2 in 2010.)

If he can play a decent second base, you'd think there would be a market for a guy who you can rely on to hit .270, and who can play 5-6 positions.
   8. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 14, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4706894)
The Game of May 13, 1984 included 3 hits from a starting pitcher making his fourth Game of the Day start of the year (already). Despite that, it was really a catcher-off, as both long-tenured backstops had either career or near-career days.
   9. dr. scott Posted: May 14, 2014 at 06:34 PM (#4706956)
rule question: i was watching the Giants braves game last night and Pence is going for what will surely be a foul ball. it bounces off his glove and there is no catch. it hit his glove, though, while he was in fair territory then bounced off his glove to foul territory. It was called a foul ball and the batter got another pitch.

What caused the foul ball call? It hit foul ground after touching his glove. it may not have been clear if the ball was fair or foul when it hit his glove, and Pence was clearly in fair territory when it hit his glove.
   10. Rob_Wood Posted: May 14, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4706962)
fair-foul is determined in this case where the ball is (in 3-dimensional space) the instant that it touches pence's glove
   11. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 14, 2014 at 07:03 PM (#4706974)
The Game of yesterday leads to a P-I search request if anyone is around who can run one: What's the last game to end on a walkoff HBP on which the run represented the batter's first career RBI? Because that happened in this game.
   12. bobm Posted: May 14, 2014 at 09:21 PM (#4707034)
[11] I don't know if any of these qualify, but it's a start.

All of MLB: 57 Hit By Pitches in 1950-2014, walk-off

Yr#             Date           Batter  Tm Opp            Pitcher      Score Inn
1         1952-06-17        Bob Swift DET NYY       Jim McDonald   tied 6-6 b11
2         1952-07-22      Rube Walker BRO CIN  Ken Raffensberger   tied 6-6 b10
3     1954-06-20 (1)     Curt Roberts PIT MLN       Lew Burdette   tied 1-1 b10
4         1958-07-06    Jim Davenport SFG STL      Larry Jackson   tied 4-4  b9
5         1961-04-28         Ken Hunt LAA MIN         Bill Pleis   tied 5-5 b12
6         1961-08-16         Bob Cerv NYY CHW      Warren Hacker   tied 4-4  b9
7         1962-08-04         Al Smith CHW NYY      Bill Stafford   tied 1-1  b9
8         1963-09-06    Albie Pearson LAA KCA      Ted Bowsfield   tied 3-3 b14
9     1965-06-30 (2)  Bert Campaneris KCA CHW      John Buzhardt   tied 3-3  b9
10        1965-07-15      Clete Boyer NYY WSA       Steve Ridzik   tied 1-1 b12
11        1966-07-21     John Kennedy LAD PIT     Pete Mikkelsen   tied 3-3 b10
12        1966-09-02      Tommie Agee CHW BAL         Stu Miller   tied 8-8 b11
13        1969-05-01     Tom Satriano CAL OAK        Lew Krausse   tied 2-2 b10
14    1969-06-16 (2) Jackie Hernandez KCR OAK         Jim Roland   tied 2-2 b12
15        1971-07-29    Fred Scherman DET KCR      Tom Burgmeier   tied 9-9  b9
16    1972-07-16 (1)    Bob Robertson PIT HOU      Fred Gladding   tied 2-2 b10
17        1972-08-26     Joe Pepitone CHC SFG      Randy Moffitt   tied 9-9 b10
18        1972-09-22       Wes Parker LAD SFG     Jim Willoughby   tied 0-0 b11
19    1974-07-25 (1)    Jerry DaVanon STL NYM          Jack Aker   tied 3-3 b10
20        1975-06-22       Rico Carty CLE MIL  Eduardo Rodriguez   tied 2-2 b10
21        1978-05-20     Bill Russell LAD SFG      Randy Moffitt   tied 2-2  b9
22        1979-05-23       Steve Kemp DET NYY           Jim Kaat   tied 3-3  b9
23        1979-08-17     Rodney Scott MON ATL      Eddie Solomon   tied 0-0  b9
24        1986-05-19    Marc Sullivan BOS MIN          Ron Davis   tied 7-7  b9
25        1989-07-23     Wally Joyner CAL DET        Brad Havens   tied 4-4  b9
26        1991-06-11        Alex Cole CLE TOR         Ken Dayley   tied 1-1 b12
27        1991-08-09   Kevin Mitchell SFG LAD        Kevin Gross   tied 0-0 b13
28        1992-04-23     Daryl Boston NYM STL        Juan Agosto   tied 0-0 b13
29        1992-07-08      Rey Sanchez CHC CIN         Rob Dibble   tied 2-2 b10
30        1993-08-04     Mike Bordick OAK SEA        Jeff Nelson   tied 4-4  b9
31        1993-09-27      Gary Gaetti KCR CLE       Jerry Dipoto   tied 5-5  b9
32        1995-08-30 Archi Cianfrocco SDP MON        Greg Harris   tied 2-2  b9
33        1996-05-01     Paul Molitor MIN KCR    Jeff Montgomery   tied 5-5 b10
34        1997-04-15      Tony Womack PIT SDP Sterling Hitchcock   tied 2-2  b9
35        1997-06-16      Troy OLeary BOS PHI    Ricky Bottalico   tied 4-4 b10
36        1997-08-03    Luis Gonzalez HOU NYM     Greg McMichael   tied 2-2  b9
37        1998-08-08  Richard Hidalgo HOU PHI        Mark Leiter   tied 6-6  b9
38        1999-08-20    John Flaherty TBD KCR      Scott Service   tied 4-4  b9
39        1999-09-03     Mark Loretta MIL STL       Juan Acevedo   tied 4-4 b11
40        2001-06-20      Eric Karros LAD ARI         Erik Sabel   tied 3-3  b9
41        2002-07-20     Olmedo Saenz OAK TEX         Dave Burba   tied 5-5  b9
42        2002-07-21      Raul Ibanez KCR CLE       Heath Murray tied 12-12 b10
43        2002-08-23     Paul Lo Duca LAD ATL     Kevin Gryboski   tied 3-3  b9
44        2005-09-16    Manny Ramirez BOS OAK       Keiichi Yabu   tied 2-2 b10
45        2007-04-05  A.J. Pierzynski CHW CLE  Roberto Hernandez   tied 3-3  b9
46        2007-05-27      Juan Pierre LAD CHC      Carlos Marmol   tied 1-1 b11
47        2008-06-05    Paul McAnulty SDP NYM  Scott Schoeneweis   tied 1-1  b9
48        2008-06-12     Reed Johnson CHC ATL       Jeff Ridgway   tied 2-2 b11
49        2008-07-19      Jose Molina NYY OAK      Lenny DiNardo   tied 3-3 b12
50        2010-09-11   Jeff Francoeur TEX NYY     Mariano Rivera   tied 6-6  b9
51        2011-06-22    Justin Turner NYM OAK       Brad Ziegler   tied 2-2 b13
52        2011-08-09  Kosuke Fukudome CLE DET       David Pauley   tied 2-2 b14
53        2011-08-21      Jonny Gomes WSN PHI         Brad Lidge   tied 4-4 b10
54        2012-04-11      Jonny Gomes OAK KCR   Jonathan Broxton   tied 4-4 b12
55        2012-05-26       Matt Hague PIT CHC       Rafael Dolis   tied 2-2  b9
56        2014-04-11      Hank Conger LAA NYM     Jeurys Familia   tied 4-4 b11
57        2014-05-13      Greg Garcia STL CHC       Justin Grimm   tied 3-3 b12

Provided by View Original Table
Generated 5/14/2014.
   13. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 15, 2014 at 12:39 AM (#4707134)
Going through the list as quickly as is manageable:

Curt Roberts and Jim Davenport were rookies, but their WOHBPs came late in the year. Fred Scherman was a pitcher, all 4 of whose career RBI came in the same year; the walkoff HBP was #3. Matt Hague spent only a bit of one year in the majors; his walkoff HBP was the third of his 7 career RBI. Wes Parker's walkoff HBP was the second-to-last RBI of his career. And that's about it as far as close calls.

So yeah, Garcia's achievement, such as it is, appears to be the first of its kind at least in the last 60+ years.

Also notable from that list - the NL did not have a single walkoff HBP in the 1980's. Jonny Gomes has been plunk-offed twice.

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