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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-21-2019

Memphis News Scimitar, May 21, 1919:

BABE RUTH HITS HOME RUN WITH BASES FULL

Ruth’s terrific drive over the right field fence with the bases filled, checked St. Louis yesterday, Boston winning 6 to 4.

That was Ruth’s first of eight career grand slams. He also pitched a complete game 100 years ago yesterday because he was Babe Ruth and that’s what he did. In related news on the same page:

From now on Babe Ruth will be primarily a pitcher and will cavort in the outfield only in emergencies or on special occasions. Manager Barrow reached this decision a few days ago.

Ruth had a desire this spring to become a regular outfielder so that he could murder pitchers’ offerings every day in the week. His ability to do said murdering was not questioned, but his class as an outfielder was. Added to this was the fact that eventually his regular playing in the garden might injure his pitching ability.

Despite this report, Ruth continued to split time between left field and the pitcher’s mound for most of the rest of 1919.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 21, 2019 at 09:52 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 21, 2019 at 09:55 AM (#5844138)
An impressive collection of talent on today's Birthday Team. Everybody in the clubhouse has been instructed to make sure Eddie Milner and Josh Hamilton don't spend time together.

C: Matt Wieters (18.0 WAR)
1B: Kent Hrbek (38.6 WAR)
2B: Fred Dunlap (37.0 WAR)
3B: Ed Lucas (1.5 WAR)
SS: Eddie Grant (4.5 WAR)
LF: Eddie Milner (12.8 WAR)
CF: Earl Averill (48.0 WAR)
RF: Josh Hamilton (28.3 WAR)

SP: Doc Ayers (13.8 WAR)
SP: Mace Brown (11.1 WAR)
SP: Monty Stratton (10.2 WAR)
SP: Hank Johnson (4.8 WAR)
SP: Barry Latman (3.8 WAR)
RP: Andrew Miller (8.1 WAR)

Manager: Bobby Cox
Running back/Minor league outfielder: Ricky Williams
First manager of my hometown's (since relocated) minor league club: Bob Molinaro
Fun names: Bunny Hearn, Herold Juul, Elmer Sexauer, Karl Spongberg, El Tappe
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 21, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5844153)
One thing I didn't realize before I just looked up Fred Dunlap's numbers: His St. Louis Maroons team from the Union Association moved into the National League in 1885 after the UA collapsed. They went from 94-19 and first place in the 1884 UA to 36-72 and last place in the 1885 NL. Dunlap himself went from hitting .412/.448/.621 in the UA to hitting .270/.333/.334 in the NL.

Does anybody know why the UA was ever considered a major league?
   3. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 21, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5844159)
My understanding of the UA's status as a major league is that people at the time definitely didn't consider it "major". It actively attempted to compete with the NL and AA but nobody really took the level of play all that seriously. Lanigan included it in his Baseball Cyclopedia in the 1920s as a major league, then inertia just sort of allowed it to stay long enough that MLB doesn't question it anymore.

Gary Ashwill wrote a defense, of sorts, for the Union Associaton here.
   4. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: May 21, 2019 at 11:04 AM (#5844160)
Carter Stewart has signed with Fukuoka.
He was the 8th overall pick in the MLB draft last year but didn't sign with Atlanta (elbow concerns) and was looking like a day one pick this year prior to inking. Should get more upfront money (Robothal said he was asking for 7m) but now can't come to MLB without being posted or released (for a looooong time, at any rate).

Very strange.

---

Cosign #3, though Dunlap was a better player than that maybe sounds.
   5. Davo Posted: May 21, 2019 at 11:17 AM (#5844169)
I posted this in a thread no one’s gonna read...so I’ll repost here cuz I’m vain!

What do the following pitchers have in common?

26-year-old Luis Castillo (5-1, 1.90 ERA, 76 Ks in 61 innings)
23-year-old Chris Paddack (4-2, 1.93 ERA, 56 Ks in 51 innings)
26-year-old Domingo German (8-1, 2.50 ERA, 52 Ks in 50 innings)
27-year-old Trevor Williams (2-1, 3.33 ERA, 4:1 K:BB ratio in 54 innings)
   6. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 21, 2019 at 11:23 AM (#5844173)
One thing I didn't realize before I just looked up Fred Dunlap's numbers: His St. Louis Maroons team from the Union Association moved into the National League in 1885 after the UA collapsed. They went from 94-19 and first place in the 1884 UA to 36-72 and last place in the 1885 NL. Dunlap himself went from hitting .412/.448/.621 in the UA to hitting .270/.333/.334 in the NL.


So, St. L opened the season with a 20 game win streak. However, some other team played at least 2 games before StL played their first, so after their first win, StL was 1 games back in the standings, and didn't;t take over first place until their 4th win. As a philosophic question, can they be said to have won wire to wire?
   7. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 21, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5844183)
Who are you to doubt El Tappe?
   8. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 21, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5844189)
Ugh. The Gonfolon Cubs blog is doing that thing again where it continually tells you to log in before you post.

edit: I was hoping posting somewhere else would do the trick, and it did.
   9. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: May 21, 2019 at 12:28 PM (#5844226)
already answered in that thread Davo, all were once part of the Marlins organization?
   10. salvomania Posted: May 21, 2019 at 12:37 PM (#5844229)
What do the following pitchers have in common?

Easy, they all have an "a" in their last name and they all have only one loss.
Next!
   11. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 21, 2019 at 01:25 PM (#5844266)
I assume that Herold Juul was the founder of the vaping empire.
   12. Davo Posted: May 21, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5844274)
9 - Yep, correct—the Marlins traded them all away when they were minor leaguers!

Castillo for Dan Straily, Paddack for Fernando Rodney, German a throwin in the Eovaldi-Phelps swap, and Williams was traded for one “Richard Mitchell.”
   13. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 21, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5844300)
Speaking of the Marlins and having only one loss, Caleb Smith is set to start for the Marlins today and might be able to take his record to an astounding 4-1!
   14. Rennie's Tenet Posted: May 21, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5844332)
Richard Mitchell.


The Marlins signed pitching guru Jim Benedict away from the Pirates organization in 2015, and Williams was sent to Pittsburgh as compensation. Mitchell went to Miami so that the books would balance or something.
   15. Davo Posted: May 21, 2019 at 03:32 PM (#5844335)
14-Oh wow, I had no idea! Benedict didn’t make the BB-ref transaction details!
   16. Walt Davis Posted: May 21, 2019 at 05:38 PM (#5844372)
That seems to happen sometimes with these rule 5 deals ... maybe officially that's how it works. The example I know if is that, per b-r, the Cubs traded the solid prospect Eric Hinske (who ended up winning a RoY then was just mediocre) for the ancient Miguel Cairo. What it misses is that the Cubs had grabbed reliever Scott Chiasson from the A's in the rule 5 draft. They liked Chiasson but not enough to keep him in the majors so that trade was worked out. So it was really Hinske for Chiasson and Cairo. Still a crappy trade as Chiasson threw all of 11 innings of relief in his career as he didn't have a fully healthy season (in the minors) until 4 years later. He kept at it until 2011 though.

BABE RUTH SPOILERS AHEAD

Ruth was given two whole days of not starting in LF. Then he started games 21-24 in LF, pitched the first game of a DH, started in LF in the 2nd game, started 3 of the next 4 in LF, ptiched the next game (going only 3 innings but getting the win?), got a day off, started in LF, then did get a few days off before taking the mound again.

That was followed by a period of pitching about every 5th game and starting in the OF in between. That came to an end in late June when he didn't pitch for about 3 weeks. He pitched 4 games in July but then just 1 in Aug and 2 in Sept.

Whether the manager came to his senses or Ruth insisted or his fellow pitchers did but this plan to save his arm was never implemented.
   17. AndrewJ Posted: May 21, 2019 at 08:59 PM (#5844423)
Eddie Grant was killed in action in the last weeks of WWI -- the Giants put a plaque dedicated to him in center field of the Polo Grounds. There was some sentiment about enshrining him in Cooperstown (where he would have been alongside today's Birthday Team center fielder and manager) in the early days of the HOF. He got 3 BBWAA votes in 1942, more than 10 eventual inductees.
   18. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 22, 2019 at 12:07 AM (#5844496)
Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis was one of the biggest boosters of Grant's inclusion in the HoF.
   19. Howie Menckel Posted: May 22, 2019 at 12:22 AM (#5844498)
Speaking of the Marlins and having only one loss, Caleb Smith is set to start for the Marlins today and might be able to take his record to an astounding 4-1!

Marlins blew a 4-2 lead in the 9th to prevent this
   20. GGC Posted: May 22, 2019 at 06:09 AM (#5844510)
A Quicksteps reference in that linked Gary Ashwill article!

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