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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-23-2018

New York Tribune, May 23, 1918:

Eddie Holley, shortstop on the Newark International League baseball team, was struck by lightning at the baseball park [in Rochester] this afternoon in a severe hail and thunder storm. He was made partially unconscious.

Holly might have been out for the year. It’s not easy to tell, but a former MLB shortstop named Ed Holly played 24 games for the 1918 Newark Bears. If he played regularly for a month or so, then missed the rest of the year, 24 games sounds right.

A shortstop named Holly played for Springfield [MA] in 1919, so it looks like this probably wasn’t a career-ending lightning strike.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:41 AM | 65 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:43 AM (#5678011)
You could call today's Birthday Team the Reggie Cleveland All-Stars.

C: Frank Mancuso (0.2 WAR)
1B: Hugh Bradley (0.07 WAR)
2B/SP: Martin Dihigo (0 WAR)
3B: Augie Galan (41.05 WAR)
SS: Cesar Hernandez (7.93 WAR)
LF: Zack Wheat (60.15 WAR)
CF: Dummy Hoy (32.56 WAR)
RF: Algie McBride (4.75 WAR)

SP: Deacon Phillippe (34.05 WAR)
SP: Willis Hudlin (31.48 WAR)
SP: Brewery Jack Taylor (21.52 WAR)
SP: Jordan Zimmermann (21.2 WAR)
RP: Reggie Cleveland (8.8 WAR)
RP: Mike Gonzalez (7.72 WAR)

Manager: Buck Showalter
Owner: Tom Ricketts
Author: Lawrence Ritter
Designated Aussie: Phil Coorey
Fun names: Harry Child, Spider Wilhelm, Earl Huckleberry, Frosty Thomas, Pop-boy Smith
   2. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5678021)
You could call today's Birthday Team the Reggie Cleveland All-Stars.

Too bad he doesn't share a birthday with Lenny Dykstra and Carl Crawford.
   3. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5678062)
That Jordan Zimmerman contract has to be up there in bad contract history, at least from a results standpoint.
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5678074)
Dummy Hoy was a deaf mute, and said to have been the cause of umpires signaling balls and strikes instead of just yelling.

right up there is Kiki Cuyler, who by some accounts got his nickname because he stuttered when asked to say his name (so not a Kiki Dee situation)
   5. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5678079)
TRIVIA QUESTION:

Who has the most career RBI's without ever having 100 RBIs in a season?

I looked up this one yesterday.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5678087)
I was gonna say Al Kaline, but I think his record is most career HRs without having 30 in a season?
   7. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:55 AM (#5678091)
Nope. Not Kaline. He's in 44th place, & the answer isn't in that high up.

Kaline had 100 RBIs three times, 1955, 1956, and 1963.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:59 AM (#5678094)
Tony Gwynn?

Edit: Gwynn, had a 119-RBI season. And Man o' Schwar's guess seems like it would be a good one.
   9. Man o' Schwar Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:59 AM (#5678095)
Pete Rose. Played forever, all those hits, but never really thought of him as a run producer. I wouldn't be surprised if he got to 100 once though. Plus he led off most of the time.

Maybe it's Rickey.
   10. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 12:03 PM (#5678100)
Pete Rose? DING!

Tied for 103rd on the all-time RBI list. 1,314 RBIs. Never had more than 82 in a season.
   11. GGC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5678129)
right up there is Kiki Cuyler, who by some accounts got his nickname because he stuttered when asked to say his name (so not a Kiki Dee situation)


Don't go breaking my heart. Frank Quilici died recently. I remember him because he was the manager of the Twins in 1975. What I didn't realize was that he was younger than some active players back then.
   12. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5678158)
TRIVIA QUESTION:
('cuz I feel like it...)

20 different players have had 100-RBI seasons for multiple expansion franchises. Can you name any of them?

(For this question, if a player needs over 100 RBIs over one team in a season. If he has 99 RBIs with one club in a season and 30 with another, that doesn't count, because he didn't have 100 RBIs in a season with any team. But if he gets 100 RBIs in one club and 20 with the other, it counts for the first club. I dunno if this actually affects anyone's membership, but that's how I'm defining a 100 RBI season for a team).

Extra points given out for anyone who names the 3 guys who had 100 RBI seasons for three different expansion franchises.
   13. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5678165)
Garry Sheffield with the Padres and Marlins.
   14. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5678167)
Guesses:
Larry Walker (Colorado/Montreal)
Joe Carter (San Diego/Toronto)
Fred McGriff (San Diego/Toronto)
Alex Rodriguez (Mariners/Rangers)
Gary Sheffield (Marlins/Padres)
Torii Hunter (Angels/Twins)

Edit: The Twins aren't an expansion team. Derp.
   15. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5678169)
Fred McGriff with Padres and Rays.
   16. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5678170)
Did Piazza ever put up a 100 RBI season as a Marlin?
   17. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5678173)
Dave Winfield with the Padres and Blue Jays.
   18. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5678174)
Carlos Delgado?

edit: Vlad Guerrero?

edit again: I believe Delgado is one of the 3-team guys.
   19. SoSH U at work Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5678175)
Greg Vaughn.
   20. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5678176)
Andres Galarraga?
   21. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:41 PM (#5678179)
Steve Finley, Padres/Snakes?
   22. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5678182)
Alfonso Soriano, Rangers/Nats?
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5678184)
Was 16 a serious question Dan?
   24. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5678186)
I don't think this is right, but John Olerud?
   25. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5678190)
I don't think this is right, but John Olerud?


He's one of the players that did it with three expansion teams.
   26. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5678196)
Post #13:
Sheffield? DING! He was the fifth guy to join the club. 1996 he jioned.

Post #14:
Larry Walker. Nope. Surprised me, too. Never did it with Montreal
Joe Carter? DING! Third member of the club. Joined in 1991.
Fred McGrif? DING! But not Toronto. Never had 100 RBI with them. Even teh year he led the league in HR. SD and ... Tampa. Joined the club in 1999
A-Rod? DING! 10th guy to join the club.
Torii Hunter? Minnesota isn't an expansion team.

Post #16
Funny

Post #17:
Winfield? DING! He was the 4th member of the club.

Post #18:
Delgado? DINGITY DING! He's one of teh three-clubbers. Toronto, Seattle & Mets.
VLAD? DINGITY DING! Another three-clubber. Expos, Angels, & Rangers

Post #19:
Greg Vaughn? Nope. Came close. 95 RBIs with TOR in 1996 - and 22 with SDP that year. But needs 100 with one team. He later did it for SD, but no other expansion team.

Post #20
Galarraga? GOod guess, but he never did it with Montreal. Just Colorado. Just like Larry Walker.
   27. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5678202)
Post #21
Steve Finley: Nope. Just AZ

Post #22:
Soriano? Great guess, but nope. 46 HR with DCN, but only 95 RBI

Post #24
Olerud, as noted in post #25, is the third guy to do it with 3 expansion franchises. Him, Vlad, & Delgado.

Eight named. 12 to name.
   28. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5678206)
List of guys, organized by when they joined (so when they did it with their second expansion franchise):
1. 1982
2. 1985
3. 1991 Joe Carter
4. 1992 Dave Winfield
5. 1996 Gary Sheffield
6. 1997 John Olerud (2000 w/ third team)
7. 1998
8. 1998
9. 1999 Fred McGriff
10. 2001 A-Rod
11. 2004 Vladimir Guerrero (2010 w/ third team)
12. 2004
13. 2005 Carlos Delgado (2006 with third team)
14. 2005
15. 2006
16. 2006
17. 2006
18. 2007
19. 2012
20. 2015
   29. PreservedFish Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5678208)
Moises Alou - Florida and Houston
   30. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5678211)
One of the guys not yet named is a Hall of Famer.
   31. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5678212)
Was 16 a serious question Dan?
Nah, it was me being a goof.
   32. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5678213)
Post #29:
Moises Alou? DING! He's the guy I have in #7 on the list in post #28.
   33. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5678214)
One of the guys not yet named is a Hall of Famer.
Gary Carter?
   34. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 23, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5678216)
Moises Alou

EDIT: beverage of choice to PF
   35. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5678219)
Some hints for the unnamed (numbers based on the order given in post #28):
1. This guy once led the league in batting average and RBIs in the same season. Not normally seen as a slugger, though.
2. Hall of Famer
8. 1990s AL third baseman
12. Went to Colorado late in his career
14. Slugging first baseman.
15. Third baseman who peaked at age 23
16. Weird career. Didn't do #### in his 20s, but had a couple quality seasons as a starter in his 40s
17. Hall of Fame caliber career. Will he get in? Who knows? Not yet eligible
18. One of the few guys to have 1000 his in AL & NL.
19. Best remembered for the deeply weird controversy that ended his career
20. His first name is more unusual than his last name.
   36. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5678221)
Gary Carter? DING! He's #2. Expos & Mets

10 named. 10 to go.
   37. Batman Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5678229)
8. 1990s AL third baseman
Dean Palmer?

17. Hall of Fame caliber career. Will he get in? Who knows? Not yet eligible
Carlos Beltran?
   38. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5678232)
16. Weird career. Didn't do #### in his 20s, but had a couple quality seasons as a starter in his 40s
Raul Ibanez
   39. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5678235)
Dean Palmer? DING!

Carlos Beltran? DING!

Raul Ibanez? DING!

About two-thirds done, one-third to go.
   40. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5678236)
I'll give some more hints in a few minutes.....
   41. Batman Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:15 PM (#5678238)
19. Best remembered for the deeply weird controversy that ended his career
Drake LaRoche's dad?
   42. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:18 PM (#5678240)
Some hints for the unnamed (numbers based on the order given in post #28):
1. Rangers & Expos. This guy once led the league in batting average and RBIs in the same season. Not normally seen as a slugger, though. Early in his career, as a Pirate, he was part of the first ever all-black starting lineup.
12. Brewers & Rockies. Not Jeff Cirillo
14. Brewers & Mariners. Slugging first baseman.
15. Angels & Blue Jays Third baseman who peaked at age 23. He led the AL in homers that year.
18. Brewers & Astros. One of the few guys to have 1000 his in AL & NL - but that hint is misleading as he spent most of his AL time with the White Sox.
19. Arizona and Nationals. Best remembered for the deeply weird controversy in spring training that ended his career after a terrible season with the White Sox
20. Angels & Royals. His first name is more unusual than his last name. Primarily a DH.

   43. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5678241)
Post #41:
DING! Adam LaRoche is #19.

Arizona & Washington were his clubs.
   44. Batman Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5678242)
18. Brewers & Astros. One of the few guys to have 1000 his in AL & NL - but that hint is misleading as he spent most of his AL time with the White Sox.
Carlos Lee
15. Angels & Blue Jays Third baseman who peaked at age 23. He led the AL in homers that year.
Troy Glaus
   45. RickA. Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5678246)
14. Richie Sexson?
   46. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5678247)
Carlos Lee? DING!
Troy Glaus? DING!

1. 1982
2. 1985 Gary Carter
3. 1991 Joe Carter
4. 1992 Dave Winfield
5. 1996 Gary Sheffield
6. 1997 John Olerud (2000 w/ third team)
7. 1998 Moises Alou
8. 1998 Dean Palmer
9. 1999 Fred McGriff
10. 2001 A-Rod
11. 2004 Vladimir Guerrero (2010 w/ third team)
12. 2004
13. 2005 Carlos Delgado (2006 with third team)
14. 2005
15. 2006 Troy Glaus
16. 2006 Raul Ibanez
17. 2006 Carlos Beltran
18. 2007 Carlos Lee
19. 2012 Adam LaRoche
20. 2015
   47. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:23 PM (#5678248)
Richie Sexson? DING! He's #14.

Just the first guy, the most recent guy, And a Brewer/Rockie who isn't Cirillo (and who spelled his first name kinda weirdly).
   48. Batman Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5678253)
1. Rangers & Expos. This guy once led the league in batting average and RBIs in the same season. Not normally seen as a slugger, though. Early in his career, as a Pirate, he was part of the first ever all-black starting lineup.
Al Oliver
   49. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:27 PM (#5678256)
It would have taken me 5000 guesses to get Adam LaRoche without hints. He had only one season with a second expansion team (Arizona) and had exactly 100 RBIs twice.
   50. RickA. Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5678257)
20 Kendrys Morales?
   51. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5678258)
Al Oliver

Just beat me to it. I've been sorting a lot of early 80's baseball cards lately and Oliver is all over the League Leader cards for the 1983 set.
   52. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5678260)
nm
   53. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5678262)
Al Oliver? DING!

Kendrys Morales? DING!

Just one left.
   54. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5678266)
#12. Slugging right fielder with an odd spelling to his first name. Brewers & Rockies. Starred with Milwaukee from 1997 to 2001. Three 100-RBI seasons and one All-Star game selection. 2004 was his only year with Colorado. He also played for: the Mets and Indians (before Milwuakee), Mets again and Dodgers (between MIL & COL), Cubs and Pirates (after Colorado)




   55. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5678271)
Jeromy Burnitz
   56. JustDan Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5678272)
Is it Burnitz? I don't remember him on the Rockies.

ETA - coke to Panik
   57. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5678277)
Good lord, forgot I hadn't refreshed the page in an hour. Was helping my wife with a household chore, honest!
   58. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:45 PM (#5678280)
Burnitz? DING!

The list:
1. 1982 Al Oliver
2. 1985 Gary Carter
3. 1991 Joe Carter
4. 1992 Dave Winfield
5. 1996 Gary Sheffield
6. 1997 John Olerud (2000 w/ third team)
7. 1998 Moises Alou
8. 1998 Dean Palmer
9. 1999 Fred McGriff
10. 2001 A-Rod
11. 2004 Vladimir Guerrero (2010 w/ third team)
12. 2004 Jeromy Burnitz
13. 2005 Carlos Delgado (2006 with third team)
14. 2005 Richie Sexon
15. 2006 Troy Glaus
16. 2006 Raul Ibanez
17. 2006 Carlos Beltran
18. 2007 Carlos Lee
19. 2012 Adam LaRoche
20. 2015 Kendrys Morales
   59. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:50 PM (#5678286)
Good lord, forgot I hadn't refreshed the page in an hour. Was helping my wife with a household chore, honest!
Hey, call it what you want, if you're doing it for an hour, that's pretty impressive.
   60. JustDan Posted: May 23, 2018 at 03:04 PM (#5678308)
OK, I tried to see if anyone was a good candidate to be the next member for the list in #58. To be a candidate meant that you did it once for one expansion team, and was currently playing for another expansion team. Lots of close calls, but the best one I could find is Hosmer.
   61. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5678321)
OK, I tried to see if anyone was a good candidate to be the next member for the list in #58. To be a candidate meant that you did it once for one expansion team, and was currently playing for another expansion team. Lots of close calls, but the best one I could find is Hosmer.
I may have missed someone, but I believe Hosmer is tied for the RBI lead this year among players on an expansion team who have done it with a different expansion team. He and Adrian Gonzalez each have 20 RBIs.
   62. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 23, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5678335)
Good lord, forgot I hadn't refreshed the page in an hour. Was helping my wife with a household chore, honest!
Hey, call it what you want, if you're doing it for an hour, that's pretty impressive.


I didn't know this was about H&U:

Sixty Minute Man
   63. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 23, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5678349)
I'm blushing.

Also, I see it was closer to 70 minutes.
   64. Batman Posted: May 23, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5678364)
   65. AndrewJ Posted: May 23, 2018 at 08:05 PM (#5678481)
Lenny Dykstra charged with making terroristic threats and several drug offenses after authorities say he was found with a bevy of illegal substances.


But he's such a stable guy...

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