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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-23-2019

Grand Forks Herald, May 23, 1919:

Officials of the Boston National league club announced that Jim Thorpe, the Indian outfielder, purchased from the New York National league club, would report immediately and be used against lefthanded pitchers.
...
[After the 1912 Olympics, Thorpe] devoted his entire time to professional baseball, having been a member of a number of minor league teams as well as the New York Nationals at various times during his career. He is a fast fielder and a speedy baserunner. In the past his greatest weakness has been inability to hit big league curve pitching. When he was able to hit the ball, however, he drove out terrific liners for extra base hits, frequently sending the ball to the farthest corners of the major league parks.

The good news for the Braves is that Thorpe absolutely raked for them in 1919: .327/.360/.429 (143 OPS+) as a bench outfielder.
The bad news is that in 1920 he was involved in the founding of something that eventually came to be called the *checks notes* *squints* National Football League and slowly became a football player who played some baseball, rather than a baseball player who occasionally played football.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:55 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5844900)
You could call today's Birthday Team the Reggie Cleveland All-Stars. I should also mention I'm not totally comfortable with William Hoy's nickname, but I guess it was what it was.

C: Bill Drescher (0.0 WAR)
1B: Hugh Bradley (-0.1 WAR)
2B/SP: Martin Dihigo (0 WAR)
3B: Augie Galan (41.1 WAR)
SS: Cesar Hernandez (8.8 WAR)
LF: Zack Wheat (60.2 WAR)
CF: Dummy Hoy (32.6 WAR)
RF: Algie McBride (4.8 WAR)

SP: Deacon Phillippe (33.8 WAR)
SP: Willis Hudlin (31.1 WAR)
SP: Brewery Jack Taylor (22.6 WAR)
SP: Jordan Zimmermann (21.7 WAR)
RP: Reggie Cleveland (8.8 WAR)
RP: Mike Gonzalez (7.7 WAR)

Manager: Buck Showalter
Owner: Tom Ricketts
Author: Lawrence Ritter
Designated Aussie: Phil Coorey
Fun names: Harry Child, Spider Wilhelm, Earl Huckleberry, Frosty Thomas, Pop-boy Smith
   2. caspian88 Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5844907)
This is kind of off-topic, but I didn't see a more appropriate place to ask this question.

Over the last fifteen or so years, this website has been a tremendous help in furthering my understanding of baseball, because of the discussions held all over and because of the links provided here in the Newsblog.

Over the last year or so, I've actually become (surprisingly, to myself) a fan of ice hockey, and I'm looking for a web site that could help provide as much education in hockey as this site has given me in baseball. I just don't know where to start.
   3. GGC Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5844910)
I read Ritter's finance textbook before I read The Glory of Their Times.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:27 AM (#5844915)
Trivia question: Hanley Ramirez was released by the Indians last month, seemingly ending his career with a total of 1,049 runs scored. That leaves eight active players who have scored at least a thousand runs. Can you name them?
   5. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:30 AM (#5844916)
Guesses: Miguel Cabrera, Mike Trout, Ryan Zimmerman, Robinson Cano, Andrew McCutchen, Ryan Braun. Is Dustin Pedroia active?
   6. GGC Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5844917)
Has anyone here ever played Ted Turocy's board game When The Grass Was Real? It's supposed to be based on Waugh's game in the Universal Baseball Association. I'm thinking of getting into a tabletop game in the flavor of the Cosmic Baseball Association. Now that their website is down, I think that the world needs more whackiness like the Donora Greyhound of The Interstate Highway System missing a 4 HR game against the Amtrak Route's Superchief because he passed I-70 on the basepaths.
   7. Nasty Nate Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5844918)
I'm here to take the easy ones: Pujols
   8. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5844919)
I'll cosign [2]. I've been watching hockey games this season for the first time since the early 2000's and am working on a percentage-based deconstruction of Strat-O-Matic's hockey game, but would like a deeper understanding of the real sport too.
   9. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:37 AM (#5844920)
Cabrera, Cano, Braun and Pujols are all correct. Trout (826 runs scored), Zimmerman (923), and McCutchen (930) are not quite there. I think Pedroia is active, but I know he has scored only 922 runs, so he falls short again.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5844924)
Has Melky Cabrera quietly reached 1,000?
   11. oscar madisox Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5844926)
Just thinking of guys who have played a long time and Kinsler, Votto, Markakis, Encarnacion come to mind as guys who might be at 1000 or more runs

And what about Matt Kemp?
   12. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 23, 2019 at 12:02 PM (#5844932)
Oscar, seeing your handle never ceases to put a smile on my face.
   13. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 23, 2019 at 12:04 PM (#5844936)
Kinsler, Markakis and Encarnacion are all correct. Votto is at 952, Kemp at 932, and Melky has quietly scored 865 runs.

There's one more, and he has cleared the hurdle easily, at 1,187.
   14. Bote Man Posted: May 23, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5844938)
Officials of the Boston National league club announced that Jim Thorpe, the Indian outfielder

Easy trivia question: what was the prior name of the town of Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania?
   15. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5844944)
I'm not sure how you would quantify this, but Nick Markakis has to be one of the most boring players to have such a long career. He was never an All-Star until he had a good first half in an OF-weak league last season. He had one whole season where he hit really well, but otherwise he's steadily above average. He has two postseason appearances and one series win and wasn't ever on a very memorable team.
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 23, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5844953)
One thing about Markakis is that he's been one of the most durable players in history. Nobody has consecutive-games-played streaks any more, so it flies under the radar, but he's had 11 seasons in which he's played 155 games, and only one year of his career that he lost any serious time to injury. That's how you rack up some serious counting numbers.
   17. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 12:28 PM (#5844955)
Mauch Chunk
   18. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 12:45 PM (#5844970)
Nick Markakis has to be one of the most boring players to have such a long career.

My go-to guy is Jim Gantner. 17 seasons, all with Milwaukee, and one with an OPS+ over 100. 4 points on the Hall of Fame monitor.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 12:49 PM (#5844972)
There's one more, and he has cleared the hurdle easily, at 1,187.

Is Adrian Gonzalez still active?
   20. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 23, 2019 at 12:59 PM (#5844980)
bb-ref doesn't list him as active, but he is merely oh-so-close at 997 runs.

   21. PreservedFish Posted: May 23, 2019 at 01:13 PM (#5844991)
Matt Holliday or Brandon Phillips?
   22. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 23, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5844993)
They're both over 1000 runs scored, but even if they're not technically retired, they're also not active.

The one remaining player scored his first-ever run on September 19, 2004, when he was driven in on a sacrifice fly by Dmitri Young.
   23. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 23, 2019 at 01:25 PM (#5844995)
So that would have been on the 2004 Tigers... Curtis Granderson!
   24. Davo Posted: May 23, 2019 at 01:30 PM (#5844996)
Re: Markakis and boring players—

I’ve always been impressed by Doc Cramer, who had a 20-year, 2200-game career where he only led the league in a major category once (hits in 1940). Never even put up a 3-WAR season!

Though he did win a World Series and made 5 All-Star teams so...
   25. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 23, 2019 at 01:30 PM (#5844997)
The Grandy Man is correct!

1. Albert Pujols, 1791
2. Miguel Cabrera, 1401
3. Ian Kinsler, 1230
4. Robinson Cano, 1203
5. Curtis Granderson, 1187
6. Nick Markakis, 1075
7. Hanley Ramirez*, 1049
8. Edwin Encarnacion, 1035
9. Ryan Braun, 1019
   26. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:05 PM (#5845011)
Cano is an awesome player and has taken an unreal amount of #### in his career. For the old time fans who is similar where a guy plays well and his teams succeed but because of dumb writer and fan #### the player gets way more negative than positive attention?
   27. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:22 PM (#5845029)
For the old time fans who is similar where a guy plays well and his teams succeed but because of dumb writer and fan #### the player gets way more negative than positive attention?

Barry Bonds
   28. mathesond Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:27 PM (#5845033)
For the old time fans who is similar where a guy plays well and his teams succeed but because of dumb writer and fan #### the player gets way more negative than positive attention?

Barry Bonds


Dick Allen
   29. Hank Gillette Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:38 PM (#5845044)
I should also mention I'm not totally comfortable with William Hoy's nickname, but I guess it was what it was.


Hoy was one of seven MLB to be tagged with the nickname “Dummy”. Except for “Dummy” Lynch in 1948, the last one played in 1912.

Lynch only played in seven games, with eight PA, despite an OPS+ of 195. Small sample size, of course, but it seems curious that he was not given any more opportunities.

Looking at his minor league stats, he seems to have been a brutal fielder, with a .941 fielding percentage, mainly at 2B and 3B, and a .252/.297/.357 slash line, so maybe it is not that curious.
   30. Perry Posted: May 23, 2019 at 04:54 PM (#5845136)
For the old time fans who is similar where a guy plays well and his teams succeed but because of dumb writer and fan #### the player gets way more negative than positive attention?

Barry Bonds

Dick Allen


Dave Parker, Mike Schmidt, Reggie Jackson.
   31. KJOK Posted: May 24, 2019 at 02:58 AM (#5845266)
It's not yet Martin Dihigo's birthday. May 25th is the correct date.

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